The point is though that we wouldn't lose anything. If Thiago isn't good enough for us and doesn't play in 60% of the minutes (thinking about a similar clause like he had on Barca) leaving him to go for a similar fee for what we signed him, isn't a bad thing. I mean, the chances to get more than around 20m for a bench midfielder of Man United isn't that high.
Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich
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The point is though that we wouldn't lose anything. If Thiago isn't good enough for us and doesn't play in 60% of the minutes (thinking about a similar clause like he had on Barca) leaving him to go for a similar fee for what we signed him, isn't a bad thing. I mean, the chances to get more than around 20m for a bench midfielder of Man United isn't that high.
Although thats pretty much what most of us think or said, good post man! Now twatter that to Thiago pronto big son
Pogba? Never heard of him!
It's not as simple as that. What if he is good enough but Moyes decides to ease him in gradually?
No longer an option.
Fair enough from the player's PoV, but I don't think any football manager would welcome such restrictions on his team selections.
I've started a thread on the topic anyway so take the discussion there.
We wouldn't i just chose an absurdly low number to labour the point - we could have a release clause that is worth more than the players value which then drops to below his true market place value - what we're seeing with Thiago now.
Was merely an example to illustrate my point that player power is too big. A player we want to keep, although he's been dropped because of recent poor form, could leave for less than we think he's worth due to a technicality.
I wouldn't think the club would be silly enough to sign him into the contract and not put provisos on it e.g it's only initiated after first 10 appearances, is nullified if not match fit/disciplinary issues etc.
One problem is that it'd be pretty hard to write in a "get dropped if you're shit" clause without showing an initial lack of faith in the player that's being signed. If Thiago came and started playing poorly, we'd have to persist with him through that shitness at the expense of the entire team. Other players may then get fecked off that they're not getting a look on the basis that there are special circumstances with Thiago.
The clause wouldn't say that you have to play him or else you die, it doesn't exactly force you to play him. If he's not good enough then you can simply not play him because you wouldn't care that he could leave for £15m or £20m. For example, if Anderson had a clause that said he could be sold for £10m if he doesn't play 60% of games next season would it force Moyes to play him in any way?
It's ok, we have Januzaj
There is the possibility that the player will need a season to get used to the league, at which point he may then go on to become amazing for another club who got to buy him for a knock off price.
Because we're going to bow to other player's demands similarly? Not a chance. In addition, we'd actually recoup the money we paid for him. Rather than being low-balled for a talented player who didn't quite fit.
I have maintained that if we were looking to bring this kid in, he'd most likely be a starter. Therefore, barring injury, he would easily satisfy the requirements of the clause.
Oh yeah, Thiago is the only one allowed the clause. That'd go down well.
Everyone has to be the first to have something. Keane was the first to smash our wage-cap in the mid 1990s.
You can make exceptions. It is not like we have a club policy like Bayern who actually dont allow any release clauses.
You can look at it another way, how often would Man United allow a player to turn in a transfer request and then offer him a much improved contract just so he will stay? That's not a precedent we have set have we?
Thiago will play for us in the Rio testimonial and the Community Shield.
Simply for the sake of discussion, does anyone think this is plausible?
What the feck does that mean?
Don't do this to yourself again. You've only just got over the Sneijder heartbreak.
I'm not too sure. Graham has not been discrete with the majority of his tweets. Strange suggestion if you ask me.
Nah I don't much care if we get Thiago or not but he will sign for us.
Seems like Mr Hunter would say anything now to make it look as if he was right and the problem is United.
Yeah I wouldn't read too much into his on-the-fence comments to be honest.
I don't doubt he had reason to suggest it was almost a done deal before but I'd be surprised to see him pin his colours to the mast until Thiago signs somewhere.
I don't doubt he had reason to suggest it was almost a done deal before but I'd be surprised to see him pin his colours to the mast until Thiago signs somewhere.
Exactly. I'm not sure what people are expecting of Hunter. I really don't think he cares about predicting something and then being right so he can claim to have called it first, like all the bullshit ITK accounts. He's just updating people on the news he has access to. He hasn't given a concrete answer, purely because there never has been one yet. Nobody seems to know what Thiago wants to do or where he wants to go. It seems like people are expecting him to say "He's definitely signing for United 100%" and if he doesn't give a set-in-stone answer, then he's talking shit. Transfers are tricky, things change, things fall through, things get back on track again etc. Hunter is just updating as he sees it, yet some of the goons on Twitter seem to be expecting Hunter's life to revolve around the Thiago situation.
I don't think that's what people are questioning. His tweet seems almost purposefully vague to the point where he must know what he means by saying it but won't elaborate.
I dunno. Have you seen some of the responses Hunter himself is getting on Twitter? It's as if mental United fans are blaming him for Thiago not being signed yet. Twitter is mental.
Agree with that alright!
Just heard from press conference that Moyes said "we hope to have some transfer business concluded by Monday"
ThiagON or FellianIN?
ThiagON or FellianIN?
Sources in my head, confirm its Thiago coming to United.
Did Moyes really say that? Didn't see anything on it.
Thats a fake quote,somebody has made that Moyes quote.
See that's exactly what I mean. This thread probably contributed to most of the bloody paper stories. Is there a shred of evidence that we were in for him this year?If we're not in for him, then that would be the biggest wind-up of all time on the Caf
Also, sure Fergie's been chasing him for about 3 or more years too. Thats well documented, even Fergie said it himself on more than one occasion (especially before he signed his present deal with Barca), so why wouldnt we be going for him now?
No-one convincingly has been connected to signing Thiago other than us, and now Bayern, which leads to believe that he was only open to a move to United at first & any other enquiry was informed of that. I havent even heard City or Chelsea being mentioned either, which doesnt make any sense, given his quality, price (with the complications) & potential worlds best mid-fielder status in a couple of years. So all roads lead to us.. and now we have feckin Bayern feckin with our shit.. they maybe havent got over the Hargreaves pursuit
No-one's mentioned the possibility that maybe Bayern are doing a Chelsea & stockpiling footballers so their rivals cant get them. God forbid us gettin the missing link in mid-field that could get us over the line in Europe for many years to come. Its obvious they dont need Thiago, but of course what club wouldnt want him either.
It's hilarious that when journalists say they have researched a story it means they have sat reading the RedCafe all day.
Cider has earned top marks with being the caf's transfer spokesman. We should feel honored.
Oh I don't doubt that for a moment. I'm not on Twitter (well, I think I am but never use it) but know the levels of idiocy that exist on it.
Like you say, Hunter has nothing to gain by 'being right' apart from more Twitter followers. I suspect maintaining his professional integrity is worth more to him to ensure he doesn't take unnecessary gambles by guessing.
But then, they all do it on Twitter so nobody takes it particularly seriously.
It could be worse man - you could be stuck in this feckin thread: https://www.redcafe.net/threads/religion-whats-the-point.215250/page-81#post-13772412
Best way to find shit out. Students will be referencing the Caf with their essays & thesis' sooner or later aswell
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