Just imagine tomorrow a new report suddenly appears that City now want him and will pay him double what United or Bayern offer!
Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich
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Yeah then Fulham buy him and they win the league!
Imagine that!
Imagine that!
We should have got Agent Ronnie on the case - look how things turned out for him comin here?!
http://www.bayernzone.com/transfers/3407-thiago-alcantara-43.html
see their redcafe comments. They must be part time City fans, they're fecking obsessed.
see their redcafe comments. They must be part time City fans, they're fecking obsessed.
There's some quality muppetry going on here.
Guardiola wants him. His agent is Guardiola's brother. Mundo Deportivo - which, by all accounts, is Barcelona's mouthpiece reports that Thiago wants to go to Bayern.
Yet some people still cling to the hope that we're going to sign him somehow. It's just delusion at this stage, folks.
Guardiola wants him. His agent is Guardiola's brother. Mundo Deportivo - which, by all accounts, is Barcelona's mouthpiece reports that Thiago wants to go to Bayern.
Yet some people still cling to the hope that we're going to sign him somehow. It's just delusion at this stage, folks.
Odd how some of them seem indifferent to the prospect of signing Thiago. Many of them probably hope to retain their German core.
When you have players like Kroos possibly missing out becuase you are signing a young spaniard, its not a suprise they are a bit confused.
Makes it all the more depressing that we'll all be jumping out of windows once he signs for them.
Its understandable given the riches they've got in CM. We are threadbare in midfield in comparison. Not one of our midfielders would make their team. They have every right to bat off Thiago whilst we cling onto hope he might still come here.
There is part of me that wonders how MD suddenly know Thiago's wishes. He would have been fully aware of Pep's intentions over the last month so surely, likewise, he would have internally expressed his own desire at some point.
Seems quite convenient that Thiago has suddenly (secretly) revealed his wishes after it's been made public that Pep wants him.
Still, all feels too scripted for him to go anywhere but Bayern now. Best club in Europe and an old manager that clearly rates him. He'll get game time and be awesome.
Seems quite convenient that Thiago has suddenly (secretly) revealed his wishes after it's been made public that Pep wants him.
Still, all feels too scripted for him to go anywhere but Bayern now. Best club in Europe and an old manager that clearly rates him. He'll get game time and be awesome.
Well no matter how you spin it, the fact remains that you'll have Götze, Ribéry, Robben, Müller, Kroos, Thiago, Martinez, Schweinsteiger, Shaqiri and Luiz Gustavo for five positions. I can see Shaqiri and Luiz Gustavo quietly accepting a fringe role but the rest of them? They're all high profile players. And it's all well and good saying that Martinez will be moved to CB... but will the side be stable and solid enough with Schweinsteiger as the only "defensive" midfielder? He's very different to a Busquets or even a Carrick.
Guardiola surely knows what he's doing but signing Thiago makes very little sense. Unless he just doesn't rate most of the players already at the club.
First post in this thread for a while.
I noticed some sad faces after Moyes' said "I never said Thiago was a target". I don't understand why. Moyes wasn't going to say "Yes, he is a target" otherwise he'd be a hypocrite. Plus, the quote doesn't even mean that he isn't a target. It's a clever reply.
This Bayern link. It will be disappointing if true but I'm not worried yet. We've both been equally heavily linked, and just because Guardiola has actually come out and said he wants Thiago sounds like a desperate plea for him to change his mind. He may have succeeded at that, but maybe not. If Thiago is serious about playing time, then it's more of a risk for him to go to Bayern.
I noticed some sad faces after Moyes' said "I never said Thiago was a target". I don't understand why. Moyes wasn't going to say "Yes, he is a target" otherwise he'd be a hypocrite. Plus, the quote doesn't even mean that he isn't a target. It's a clever reply.
This Bayern link. It will be disappointing if true but I'm not worried yet. We've both been equally heavily linked, and just because Guardiola has actually come out and said he wants Thiago sounds like a desperate plea for him to change his mind. He may have succeeded at that, but maybe not. If Thiago is serious about playing time, then it's more of a risk for him to go to Bayern.
Taken from Bayernzone, this post is quite relevant to those (including myself) who cannot wrap their heads around how Pep will provide them all with enough minutes:
http://www.bayernzone.com/transfers/3407-thiago-alcantara-40.html#post304770
They were very clearly not serious though.
Yeah, that post conveniently ignores one little thing: that Mascherano played exclusively as a CB.
Well, it depends on yer perspective. There seems to be a lot of people these days who reckon the lad will the best midfielder in the world in a couple of years. Signing him up for a relatively modest fee does make sense, even if Bayern are already more than well stocked.
But. I will say this: Pep was never known to rotate much during his incredible spell at Barca. In fact, his model depended on a core group of players NOT being rotated at all, almost. He does have an abundance of very good players at Bayern, it seems. And how that will turn out in terms of dressing room atmosphere once the season gets underway is - well, let's just say it could be a challenge for him.
Thanks for that LR7.
It does seem we are the best destination for him but hey what can you do if he's got the peppy love.
Read Skywarden's post.
Pere Guardiola played us, might have been passing all info to pep, including our playing assurances all along, including our terms, let us haggle the VAT whilst telling Pep to pay the VAT and swoop in late and blind side us. If Thiago can't see us as amongst the 3 biggest club in the world, he can go to bayern and compete with 5 midfielders, I wonder how training's going to be. With us he would be the main midfielder, given authority and respected, in Bayern he would just be another big fish amongst other big fishes.
Pep better know what he's doing, by dismantling a winning treble formation, his Barca system got found out by a determined 4-1-4-1,
Pep better know what he's doing, by dismantling a winning treble formation, his Barca system got found out by a determined 4-1-4-1,
Doesn't that prove his point further, rather? You move Mascherano down and you'll have six midfielders vs. Bayern's five (six if Gustavo stays, four if Martinez is moved into a CB role). There will be enough minutes and games available to fit Thiago into the rotation and satisfy his desire of more getting play time.
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Which isn't going to translate well outside of redcafe.
If we saw that on RAWK it would get the same reaction on here as it did there.
I don't understand people saying that Bayern Munich came out of nowhere on this. I'll even refer you to my first post in the thread
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/thi...-but-no-new-news.355208/page-19#post-13542213
There's been a few changes since then, mostly related to damage limitation by the Barca board but they were always interested. I think we were in pole position at one stage but where you finish doesn't always depend on where you start.
Is it over? I won't say it's over until they wheel him out in his Bayern shirt. I still think we're the best option for him, and it was actually the perfect arranged marriage, but then I would think that. Maybe he'll realise that and make a last minute run in our direction. In any case I doubt we've got long to wait before we know for sure.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/thi...-but-no-new-news.355208/page-19#post-13542213
There's been a few changes since then, mostly related to damage limitation by the Barca board but they were always interested. I think we were in pole position at one stage but where you finish doesn't always depend on where you start.
Is it over? I won't say it's over until they wheel him out in his Bayern shirt. I still think we're the best option for him, and it was actually the perfect arranged marriage, but then I would think that. Maybe he'll realise that and make a last minute run in our direction. In any case I doubt we've got long to wait before we know for sure.
If a player, even under contract, declares their intention to depart, there is no holding ransom - they look to move the player. I imagine the only holdup is the terms which the board will look to salvage what little dignity remains and get as much out of the transfer as possible. But it's too late, this transfer is as good as done.
Strange turn of events, without question. Pep's public reaction or declaration for Thiago, doesn't really surprise me - I was waiting for him to eventually respond to Rosell et al. The same with Thiago & Mazinho's actions thus far. I say only the timing of things catches me a bit by surprise. So either Pep had this planned all along which would be uncharacteristic of him or it came about late in the sequence of events when United may or may not have been in pole position. Still think Mazinho had been looking to get a bumper contract improvement for his son from Barcelona but when Pep came calling everything changed. Could be as simple as that. On the one hand, there's been a battle waging in the media between Rosell/board & Pep over the last 6 months to a year. Clearly the Tito issue angered Guardiola but the Neymar rumours probably pushed him over the edge. And with Thiago in the middle of a club tug of war, might be as simple as Pep punching the board/Rosell in the eye - especially if Pep felt they had put the player in a tenuous position regarding his future via hardball negotiations Rosell & Zubi were apparently employing.
Pep had to have had a pretty clear understanding of Thiago's situation from even before the U21 Euros and before the Neymar deal was done. Did the lies over his involvement with Neymar push him to get involved late in a deal that could've been construed as tampering with his boyhood club from fans? Would make less sense if he had been involved from the beginning in the pursuit of Thiago which, for me, makes Rosell et al look even worse. They've had a bad couple of weeks, no wonder Sandy made a dash for the ladies loo
Strange turn of events, without question. Pep's public reaction or declaration for Thiago, doesn't really surprise me - I was waiting for him to eventually respond to Rosell et al. The same with Thiago & Mazinho's actions thus far. I say only the timing of things catches me a bit by surprise. So either Pep had this planned all along which would be uncharacteristic of him or it came about late in the sequence of events when United may or may not have been in pole position. Still think Mazinho had been looking to get a bumper contract improvement for his son from Barcelona but when Pep came calling everything changed. Could be as simple as that. On the one hand, there's been a battle waging in the media between Rosell/board & Pep over the last 6 months to a year. Clearly the Tito issue angered Guardiola but the Neymar rumours probably pushed him over the edge. And with Thiago in the middle of a club tug of war, might be as simple as Pep punching the board/Rosell in the eye - especially if Pep felt they had put the player in a tenuous position regarding his future via hardball negotiations Rosell & Zubi were apparently employing.
Pep had to have had a pretty clear understanding of Thiago's situation from even before the U21 Euros and before the Neymar deal was done. Did the lies over his involvement with Neymar push him to get involved late in a deal that could've been construed as tampering with his boyhood club from fans? Would make less sense if he had been involved from the beginning in the pursuit of Thiago which, for me, makes Rosell et al look even worse. They've had a bad couple of weeks, no wonder Sandy made a dash for the ladies loo
I hadn't seen the minutes for that year.
If I were a barca fan I'd find it hard to stomach Thiago leaving using lack of minutes as the excuse. I assume he was fit that year whereas last year he had injuries. Of course he'll get less minutes.
I wonder if united decided not to go in for him because of this?
Some one can make a soap opera on the story FCB just narrated.
I reckon all will be reveal on Monday. I can't see him turning up for training at Barca if his intention is to move
If they're going to spend so much time reading the muppetry on 'rag cafe' they'd do well to recognise that one in every 10 posts in the transfer forum is serious.
Most posters on here recognise a wum on RAWK too.
Whatever the situation with Rosell, courting Thiago away is still hurting barcelona. Still fine with it? Or are you taking solace in the fact that Thiago was anyway going to go.
he's stated his intention according to Mundo Desportivo, to join Bayern, its more than likely over, where is Dave when we needed him.
Good point esp where he would need to compete with 5 midfielders. Still hopeful we get him...
There are no direct quotes from the player though. Until that happens, it's all guess talk
Yeah he played around ten games less last year due to injury (correct me if I'm wrong).
We are getting more and more information the longer this saga continues. One thing I haven't seen be touched upon is the report about Bayern not allowing buy-back clauses. I posted this but none picked it up for discussion:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/thi...but-no-new-news.355208/page-368#post-13790709
This could be what is keeping the transfer to either of the interested clubs on hold.
Where'd you hear we weren't / are not, in for him?
I think its pretty clear we were / are, to be honest mate!
And to think Scholesy retirement announcement was to appease him into signing, 
, we should tell players to tell us straight up if they want to sign, agree terms and then deal with club, the way i see it, we should do what Barca and Madrid do, whether other clubs like it or not, we're too 'by the book', that way at least we know where we stand. instead of dilly dallying on VAT, the stingy glazer tact.
, we should tell players to tell us straight up if they want to sign, agree terms and then deal with club, the way i see it, we should do what Barca and Madrid do, whether other clubs like it or not, we're too 'by the book', that way at least we know where we stand. instead of dilly dallying on VAT, the stingy glazer tact.No-one knows we're 'dilly dallying' on VAT. The people reporting that are the same full-of-shit news sources who said he'd agreed terms with us 7 days ago.And to think Scholesy retirement announcement was to appease him into signing,
People are too readily willing to jump to conclusions. You really think we wouldn't have known how much the deal would cost under each circumstance? We would have gone into negotiations knowing that the buyout+VAT was X amount, that just the buyout on its own was X amount, that we may need to negotiate with Barca which could be X amount. You think we just went in, and they said 'yeh it's gonna be £21m, not £18m' and we said no?
These Twitter Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime/unreliable news sources are saying we wouldn't pay to vindicate the bullshit they've been spewing for the best part of a month. 'Oh well he did agree terms with United like we exclusively told you but now they won't pay so he's going to Bayern'.
No-one knows what happened in this transfer, but with Pep/Pere being involved i doubt it's as simple as we just weren't willing to pay, which i don't even think was the case.
No-one knows either how 'by the book' we are. Just because we don't air stuff in public doesn't mean that stuff isn't going on that we're not privy to.
Just went on that Bayern site, their gif is shit compared to what our own Jeston and Olly create. If Thiago wants to sign for a team who's fans can't even make a decent enough tribute to him, then...
Probably trusts Pep to play him enough, but then the one in his Barcelona contract was from when Pep was manager.
I still think moving there makes little sense. Pep or no Pep.
Sorry but in regards to Madrid, they have spent so much in the last decade and been less successful than us.And to think Scholesy retirement announcement was to appease him into signing,
They may sign players but if they aren't winning as many trophies how can it be seen as a better model?
We have no idea why this deal has stalled. Conspiracies vary from Pere Guardiola being the problem to us trying to cut out any tax issues. It's not public business to know such intricacies.
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