Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich
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we should add a couple of millions to the fee just to show that we have the money
Yeah, the more we add to this release clause, the more likely we're able to sign him.
Don't they say fat girls give you more bang for your buck?
So basically Big Dave went to the U21s and got us Thiago. Things could get really exciting if he continues his work once he's in the senior squad.
I agree lets mock the poor
So, Big Dave's petty crime sheet includes the theft of Donuts and Barca Players. Go Dave!
Exactly. Not as if we actually bring out our cocks
RIGHT GUYS?
Nah, No need to bring the cocks out, most of us are already naked from the bottom, less mess and much faster.
Candy sticks?
Any new news? The last real update I had was the Hunter tweet.
Don't have time to catch up in the thread.
Don't have time to catch up in the thread.
Did someone say candy?
He's your role model, have some respect.
feck sake, if this article is correct, it looks like a buyout clause is more complex than simply paying it:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/01/29/atletico.buyouts/index.html
If the selling club plays hard ball, it can force the other club to pay 18% on VAT and 44% on taxes, which means that potentially the Thoago's transfer can
rise to around 30m EUR. The last point in that article is that clause is only for the clubs in the Spain, which I think is untrue considering the Martinez transfer.
It could be that is entirely bollocks though, I doubt that Bayern payed 65% more than the clause of Martinez.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sid_lowe/01/29/atletico.buyouts/index.html
If the selling club plays hard ball, it can force the other club to pay 18% on VAT and 44% on taxes, which means that potentially the Thoago's transfer can
rise to around 30m EUR. The last point in that article is that clause is only for the clubs in the Spain, which I think is untrue considering the Martinez transfer.
It could be that is entirely bollocks though, I doubt that Bayern payed 65% more than the clause of Martinez.
As I recall, Bayern did pay more than Martinez's release clause, but that was more so due to tax in Basque, which is different than the rest of Spain.
No, just more versions of the same news plus a Daily Mail report that is being translated and then translated back multiple times. It looks like it's a safe bet that we've agreed terms with Thiago. The missing information is whether anyone else is still in the frame.
It's all in theory, in reality no club will cause such trouble to the buyers as they won't see a penny over the release clause anyway, the rest of the money would just go to the government.
They expected to pay IVA (VAT) and they had to take legal advice about how to pay the release clause without incurring an income tax liability.
The other issue was related to Barcelona complaining they couldn't compete on the signing. In the Basque country Martinez was paying tax at 26%, in the rest of Spain it's over 50%. So even to match his wages would have been prohibitive for them. Bayern just paid the extra money it took - but that was in wages.
They won't see a penny but if it ends up causing the buying club to pull of of the deal because of a big price increase then haggling over the taxes is obviously good for the selling club.
I love you.
In reality, the buying team buys the playing contract off the player who buys out the contract himself by handing over the release clause. In both cases historically it's been considered a tax deductible expense. Though I'm sure any club will get the lawyers to get it approved by the Spanish and UK tax office again. But it is one of the reasons why it would be better if we can do the deal directly with Barca.
Smooth, Cina.
So nothing is going to happen today? I'm off
Does the complexity of the clause mean that it would be pointless to keep refreshing this thread expecting a big "HE'S SIGNED" report from an official source anytime soon?
They won't get the money, but they can hope that the club will then be forced to withdraw the bid (the rise from 18m to 30m is pretty big) or they can hope that they will get more money than the release clause in negotiation with the other club (let's say about 25m).
I know that they are big if, and I don't think that Barca will do this anyway. For a start it would mean that they will have to pay extra money the next time they will want to get a United player (remember they got Pique in cheap) but on the other side, Barca have always been big twats in negotiations. Anyway, it wouldn't surprise me if they do this.
The good part is that the price doesn't become that big anyway. I think that 30m EURO (or 26m pounds) for Thiago is not very expensive anyway. I am sure that most of us would say that is a reasonable price, and all of us would have been happy to sign him (or Gundogan or Wilshere) for that price anyway. But it's not anymore a steal, or a great deal.
Don't know exactly about Martinez case, and even if Bayern payed the VAT, I don't think that they paid the other taxes. From what I understood from article, the tax of 46% comes into question, only if the player pays the release clause (because when he puts the money in his bank account it is registered as income and all incomes get taxed). It would be good if someone knew and clarify how much Bayern paid for him and how much was his release clause (Balu?). Also, did Martinez paid the release clause, or did Bayern paid it (of course I mean, did Bayern paid it directly, or did they gave the money to Martinez)?
I just realised. JoJo I love youmore than China does. Yeah I know that's not how your name is spelt, but it's how I pronounce it.tnx xx
How much was Martinez's release clause? And how much did Bayern paid him for in the end?
If the player wants to leave for the good of his career, for the reputation of their academy they should grant him that wish. It doesn't paint a good image if they do all their best to deny him his move by trying to make us pay silly tax payments.
How will other young players looking to sign contracts view that? They don't see themselves getting ahead of the first team era but they know Barca will try to keep them to warm the bed for a few years before they are needed.
How will other young players looking to sign contracts view that? They don't see themselves getting ahead of the first team era but they know Barca will try to keep them to warm the bed for a few years before they are needed.
♫Thiago, whoa
Thiago, whoa
He came from Italy,
I'm failing Geography♫
Thiago, whoa
He came from Italy,
I'm failing Geography♫
Just woke up/got to work... 45 pages to catch up on
Will let my boss know not to give me anything important to do
Will let my boss know not to give me anything important to do
Just woke up/got to work... 45 pages to catch up on
Will let my boss know not to give me anything important to do
Nothing's really happened today, and possible complex clauses are a total muppet-boner killer.
SteveJ as ever.
as ever.From some articles I read, Bayern paid 50m Dollars (dunno why the sum was in dollars anyway). Bayern gave the money to Martinez, and he paid them. Also, Bayern criticized Bilbao for making the transfer 'complicated' and they hired tax advisers. We should talk to Bayern and after we signed Barca then to come with a press conference calling them cnuts.
He was actually born in Italy.
I think it's just Steves way of telling us that he's failing geography and that he sorely need some help
I'm disappointed Steve, it's not about you. It should be about Thiaagooo anyway.
♫Thiago, whoa
Thiago, whoa
He came from Italy,
And that's factually correct according to Top♫
Thiago, whoa
He came from Italy,
And that's factually correct according to Top♫
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