Thiago Alcantara | Pool bound

[Godfather]

If his wage demands are too silly for us, where is he going to go?

Probably asked for higher wages here than at Pool. Wouldn't want him here if that's the case.

 

[VP89]

Probably asked for higher wages here than at Pool. Wouldn't want him here if that's the case.

I think his wages would still be high for Liverpool - he's on £220k a week at Bayern.
He will likely budge from this as its well reported he really wants Premier Leauge, and in that situation I guess it's plausible he will settle with Liverpool rather than with us.

 

[The Don]

Despite the deals for Allison and Van Dijk, their net spend since Klopp came in is extremely low, around 100 million I believe and way below the teams they're competing with. To be honest, I can understand why their fans would pride themselves on that – we would too if it was us.

Nah. Normal fans only care about the quality of players brought in, not about the money and certainly don't celebrate net spend, like its a trophy.

 

[Jev]

Nah. Normal fans only care about the quality of players brought in, not about the money and certainly don't celebrate net spend, like its a trophy.

Not like it's a trophy perhaps but when Chelsea and City became rich overnight and started buying everyone, United fans most certainly prided themselves on being the antithesis to that.

 

[The Don]

Not like it's a trophy perhaps but when Chelsea and City became rich overnight and started buying everyone, United fans certainly prided themselves in being the antithesis to that.

Not the same argument.

 

[Jev]

Not the same argument.

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[Champ]

Not like it's a trophy perhaps but when Chelsea and City became rich overnight and started buying everyone, United fans most certainly prided themselves on being the antithesis to that.

People classify net spend solely on transfer income and expenditure, when quite clearly sponsorship deals and TV rights are the main sources of income for Clubs, this is never taken into consideration.
Also when nearly every deal is structured the Net Spend argument is null and void, unless you're going to take every income into consideration.

 

[Jev]

People classify net spend solely on transfer income and expenditure, when quite clearly sponsorship deals and TV rights are the main sources of income for Clubs, this is never taken into consideration.
Also when nearly every deal is structured the Net Spend argument is null and void, unless you're going to take every income into consideration.

But Liverpool's direct rivals get the same revenue from sponsorships and TV rights. All I'm saying is, would I have been proud if United won the league with a way lower net transfer spend than our rivals? Hell yes. And I'm convinced United fans would be just as righteous about it.

Let's leave it there, going way off topic now.

 

[red thru&thru]

Yep.
Now dont get me wrong because Thiago is a fabulous player and would improve our team tenfold but it would be a risky move if,again,money is the only draw for him.

But I can also understand this from Thiago's pov. In-comparison to Liverpool,or Bayern if he wishes to stay, we're just not at that level. So asking for a potentially hefty contract is understandable. He needs guarantees that we're going to compete.

This is ,afterall, his likely last big move.

Again, agree with everything you say. Of course Thiago has no ties to us, so looking at it objectively, Lfc would be his better chance of getting titles.

But I suppose we really have to understand his motives of a move?! I mean, if it was money and titles, surely he could engineer a move to City? Pep knows him and they need a replacement for Fernandinho. Of course I don't know whether Pep wants Thiago or not but Klopp has clearly sold him a dream of some sorts, just like he did with VVD.

We just need to be that bit more convincing with our vision I guess.

 

[croadyman]

All Ole needs to do is video call him and show the 'nos vemos en Manchester" ball. After a few minutes, call in De Gea and let him speak to the camera "hola amigo". Then someone behind Ole should cut onions and make him tear up, joined by De Gea and soon Thiago. Wih this strategy Thiago will even play for us for free because Friendship > Money.

Would also suggest we get agent DDG on the case but then that's not a good idea because Thiago will want that kind of money as well.

Look I have never hid how bigger fan I am of the guy and it's probably true he would accept lower wages from Liverpool as they are already competing for trophies.

By the sounds of what Fjortoft is saying Ole has outlined what he's trying to build at Utd and probably how useful his experience and knowledge would be to our younger players so like someone said now the ball is in his court.

 

[Kaos]

29 year old injury prone midfielder who plays in Pogba/VDB's position that's trying to secure a fat paycheck, nah I think its a solid no from me boss. Liverpool are welcome to try and desperately flog a few of their players from their title winning squad to afford his exuberant wage demands.

I like Ole's new direction on transfers and this clearly doesn't fit the bill. We've been burned with our 'United Galacticos' approach over recent years.

 

[sp_107]

Probably asked for higher wages here than at Pool. Wouldn't want him here if that's the case.

I give him 300K a week than giving same to Pogba/DDG. He is a far better player.

 

[croadyman]

I give him 300K a week than giving same to Pogba/DDG. He is a far better player.

He is a fantastic player but can also understand Ole being wary of the wage structure after the Sanchez situation

 

[Freak]

I give him 300K a week than giving same to Pogba/DDG. He is a far better player.

I don’t think he’s a better player than DDG between the sticks.

 

[Mac Asimov]

Why would he accept lower wages from de pool? its not like hes a scouser or has some strange fetish for Kloop (that we know of). Hes looking for his last big contract, hes just about to pass his peak so will want as good a deal as possible. If he wanted to have a chance to win trophys surely he would stay at bayern? Liverpool arent favourites (and certainly are behind bayern) for the CL this year, so that leaves the league,.

So are some folk really trying to say that he would take less wages at liverpool to have a better chance to win the PL and caraboo cup? The player will go to where he will get the wage deal hes looking for. At its basic its a move for money regardless of where he goes, like most players.

 

[Chief123]

Unfortunately he'll make them even better. Can't see anyone but Liverpool winning the title again this season.

I only see City winning the league this season. Especially once they seal Koulibaly signing. If Messi gets done as well, then I have no doubt.

I just don’t see Liverpool performing to the same levels as last two years. There has been a noticeable gradual decline in their performances for a while.

 

[Chairman Steve]

He’s probably the closest we’ll get for a new ‘post 2006’ Scholes.

But yeah, don’t get him solely because we’re paying him a boatload. Get him because he wants to be part of the new emerging Utd team.

 

[sp_107]

I don’t think he’s a better player than DDG between the sticks.

That is how you debate?

 

[Freak]

That is how you debate?

It’s not a debate. It’s a fact (facht).

 

[sp_107]

It’s not a debate. It’s a fact (facht).

Sorry, didnt see your tagline. You won.

 

[Bilbo]

I actually think that we're somewhat crow-barring Pogba into his current role and that the role we have him in would suit Thiago to perfection

Agree with this, but I dont think we should be moving for Thiago personally. Not unless Pogba is being sold

 

[Xaviesta]

You'd love to know what sort of wages he's asking for. Would you walk away from a potentia deal If he wants 200,000 a week?

 

[RUCK4444]

A good approach by Ole. I like that if true

Been saying for a while that I believe this is one of the main factors in our approach to recruitment.

Ole only wants players that want to play here, rather than paying over the odds to convince them.

He’s mentioned it a number of times in interviews.

 

[croadyman]

I am a huge fan of the guy but it's so frustrating the Sanchez situation happened because has made us wary of paying top wages to proven class players.

Having said that I can understand Utd now wanting to not get burnt again and clearly Ole wants players here who aren't driven by that.

 

[diarm]

I am a huge fan of the guy but it's so frustrating the Sanchez situation happened because has made us wary of paying top wages to proven class players.

Having said that I can understand Utd now wanting to not get burnt again and clearly Ole wants players here who aren't driven by that.

Di Maria as well. All the arguments for bringing in Thiago on huge wages could've been made word for word about that little scrote a few years back.

 

[croadyman]

You'd love to know what sort of wages he's asking for. Would you walk away from a potentia deal If he wants 200,000 a week?

Think he is already on around that figure at Bayern but I could be wrong,part of me wishes we could pay him big but understand the club not wanting to cause friction in the dressing room

 

[Bazi]

You'd love to know what sort of wages he's asking for. Would you walk away from a potentia deal If he wants 200,000 a week?

Unless he's taking a discount to join the Premiere League he is going to cost you more than 200K a week. Depending on which source you believe we offered him around 15M € per year. Some say even more than that.

 

[croadyman]

Have waited years for another chance to sign this guy and typically when it came along Liverpool were in a better position than us,therefore he is demanding more wages from us than them

 

[Lemansky]

29 year old injury prone midfielder who plays in Pogba/VDB's position that's trying to secure a fat paycheck, nah I think its a solid no from me boss. Liverpool are welcome to try and desperately flog a few of their players from their title winning squad to afford his exuberant wage demands.

I like Ole's new direction on transfers and this clearly doesn't fit the bill. We've been burned with our 'United Galacticos' approach over recent years.

This. We will see the fruits of this recruitment policy this season and the coming years.

 

[Alemar]

He is not joining Liverpool if his wage demands are too high for Man Utd.

 

[Fortitude]

I tend to agree that we can't just rely on our history and expect players to be honoured at the prospect of playing for United. That said, we have bought quite a few players post-Fergie who clearly came for the wrong reasons. The way I see it, Ole's project is now a long-term one where we accept the possibility of several trophy-less seasons in the hope that we can build a young, hungry team that can eventually bring us back to the top, and make us an appealing option for players of Thiago's ilk again. Waving money in front of Schweinsteiger, Falcao, Di Maria and Sanchez got us nowhere.

He's at the absolute peak of his earning potential and bargaining power; I find it bizarre anyone thinks that doesn't come at a premium. You also factor in our current standing as a side who haven't mounted consistent title challenges since 2013, nor had a sniff of a CL final in an even longer period, and how can it not stand to reason we pay a premium for that leveraged against a midfielder many class as the best at what he does in the world?

I've said to the Liverpool fans I don't believe he's going there on some moderate wage either (£300k p.w) or very close to it, is my bet.

Whether we're prepared to entertain the wage demand or not is another matter, but to expect a signing like this to drop into our lap would be silly unless it was always a 'dream' of his to play for us.

I think working under Klopp is the biggest pull here with other things sprinkled on top, which we'd overturn with coin if he is that way inclined.

But take it or leave it rhetoric is the reserve of those working from a position of power, which is not a bargaining chip we've had Post-Fergie.

 

[croadyman]

He is not joining Liverpool if his wage demands are too high for Man Utd.

Unfortunately he has more than likely asked for less money from them because of what they can currently offer

 

[diarm]

He's at the absolute peak of his earning potential and bargaining power; I find it bizarre anyone thinks that doesn't come at a premium. You also factor in our current standing as a side who haven't mounted consistent title challenges since 2013, nor had a sniff of a CL final in an even longer period, and how can it not stand to reason we pay a premium for that leveraged against a midfielder many class as the best at what he does in the world?

I've said to the Liverpool fans I don't believe he's going there on some moderate wage either (£300k p.w) or very close to it, is my bet.

Whether we're prepared to entertain the wage demand or not is another matter, but to expect a signing like this to drop into our lap would be silly unless it was always a 'dream' of his to play for us.

I think working under Klopp is the biggest pull here with other things sprinkled on top, which we'd overturn with coin if he is that way inclined.

But take it or leave it rhetoric is the reserve of those working from a position of power, which is not a bargaining chip we've had Post-Fergie.

I don't think anyone is expecting him to come to us on the cheap, simply because of a desire to play for the club. I think most of us are just content for the club not to sign him if he doesn't.

Guys like Sanchez, Di Maria and Falcao were all worth the premium they demanded based on their past achievements. That's not to say he would fail in the same way that they did, but we don't really need to be taking that sort of risk anymore.

 

[croadyman]

I don't think anyone is expecting him to come to us on the cheap, simply because of a desire to play for the club. I think most of us are just content for the club not to sign him if he doesn't.

Guys like Sanchez, Di Maria and Falcao were all worth the premium they demanded based on their past achievements. That's not to say he would fail in the same way that they did, but we don't really need to be taking that sort of risk anymore.

Oh yeah there is no doubt he has earnt the right in the last seven years to request big money from a club and no doubt Ole will take that fact into consideration I am sure

 

[Alemar]

Unfortunately he has more than likely asked for less money from them because of what they can currently offer

It doesn’t make any sense. What they can offer is less money than us, and with an older squad.

If Sancho and Thiago himself join, and especially if someone like Regulion signs too, we will have a similar quality squad as Liverpool: They will still be better at full back positions and VVD, but we will have better attack and better midfield. Besides, our squad will have more potential for further improvement (due to lower average age)

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

If it’s clear that he doesn’t really want to play for the club & would only come for a giant salary, ie Di Maria & Sanchez, then walk away. Last think we need is an ageing player on silly money half arsing it.

 

[croadyman]

It doesn’t make any sense. What they can offer is less money than us, and with an older squad.

If Sancho and Thiago himself join, and especially if someone like Regulion signs too, we will have a similar quality squad as Liverpool: They will still be better at full back positions and VVD, but we will have better attack and better midfield. Besides, our squad will have more potential for further improvement (due to lower average age)

Wouldn't be surprised if he is attracted by the opportunity to join a team who have just won the league and work with Klopp as well

 

[Giggsy13]

I’d be more annoyed with Thiago heading to the scouse if we hadn’t signed VDB. Midfield is one area where we are well stocked with good depth. VDB also fits the profile of what the scouse probably wanted but couldn’t afford, so I’ll take some pleasure in that.

Also credit to Ole for filtering out players who are only motivated coming to us for the money. We don’t need those type of personalities in the squad.

 

[arthurka]

He is not joining Liverpool if his wage demands are too high for Man Utd.

This..

 

[Kaos]

It doesn’t make any sense. What they can offer is less money than us, and with an older squad.

If Sancho and Thiago himself join, and especially if someone like Regulion signs too, we will have a similar quality squad as Liverpool: They will still be better at full back positions and VVD, but we will have better attack and better midfield. Besides, our squad will have more potential for further improvement (due to lower average age)

They're the reigning champions and probably still favourites to retain the title next season. Their squad might be ageing, but so is Thiago. He's probably looking for the best chance of success over the next couple of years before inevitably cashing in on a lucrative move to somewhere like China. I suspect he won't care much for Ole's long term vision unless we can tempt him with an outrageous salary.