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Thiago Alcantara | Pool bound
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Agree 100%
Have you taken the time to read through this thread from the beginning?
Many posters taking a similar view to me. So no, not everyone thinks the same.
Carrick is one of my favourite ever players, along with Scholes, so no, me not rating Thiago as the world's best does not belittle similar players! To say so is simply bizarre.
Better players right now than Thiago? Kroos, Parejo (who has far better output than Thiago) Veratti, Kimmich (who for me is class no matter what position he plays, he's the true hero of that Munich team), D.V.D Beek, Paredes, etc etc.
You are right about Carrick to some extent, but i don't think Thiago is any better than he was. Carrick suffered from the expectation of replacing Roy Keane but he was still an excellent player in most games, even if he would revert to a more defensive game against top opposition where he couldn't get control the ball. Is Thiago that much better? He's 29 now and never totally cemented himself as an absolute top calibre player of the level of Xavi, Scholes & co either. Some of that is through injury and some is not.
Paredes better than Thiago, go take a hike.
So you named two of the players that were schooled (Paredes, Verratti) or overshadowed (Kimmich) by Thiago last night.
I'm sorry man, but I have to wholeheartedly disagree. There are very few midfielders on a similar level to him right now. Kroos is the only one from the top of my mind. Him aside, Thiago is comfortably better than anyone else in his role now that age finally caught up with Modric. And even the biggest talents in this position, like de Jong, Puig, Bellingham etc., have to get to that level first.
He'll be a big loss for Bayern if he does eventually move on. They have great physical strengths with certain individuals but no one with his nimble-footedness in the centre of the field.
His control is remarkably tight,his awareness of his surroundings is immaculate,his passing is crisp and direct and overall he's just an tactically smart player.
He's a managers wet dream in the centre of the field.
His control is remarkably tight,his awareness of his surroundings is immaculate,his passing is crisp and direct and overall he's just an tactically smart player.
He's a managers wet dream in the centre of the field.
Carrick was good/very good in most games, but never against top opposition which is my point. He simply had his flaws, as almost everyone, and it kept him level below what Thiago is right now (based on last couple of games I've seen, so can't tell if he's been like that entire season). Thiago has a higher ceiling and he worked well to become top midfielder, and the way he plays I can see him staying on that level for another couple of years.
He also seems to be a class guy. I will miss him loads but somehow still hope he stays. Though yesterday was obviously the perfect goodbye.
The fee will be low since Bayern acknowledges what he has done for 7 years and will not block his wish to move. That is how they operate with senior players (Schweinsteiger, Gomez, Kroos, Vidal etc.).
this was definitely not the case with Kroos.
Worth trying though as Liverpool don't even want to pay the £30M and we are running out of options quickly.
It's got nothing to do with '£30m' and everything to do with wages that will shatter most structures in the game for smaller clubs, and cause quite a kerfuffle or parity requests at the clubs where they can afford £300k-£350k per week.
Even if you want to assume a £250k per week, very few clubs can pay that without seismic waves of agents knocking on doors to their client something similar.
I sincerely hope wages are the stumbling block for Liverpool and that the player proves too rich for their blood.
Even if you want to assume a £250k per week, very few clubs can pay that without seismic waves of agents knocking on doors to their client something similar.
I sincerely hope wages are the stumbling block for Liverpool and that the player proves too rich for their blood.
Yeah totally agree he deserves that kind of money
Woah, hold up, Kimmich was sublime last night, I believe his ratings on alot of publications was above Thiago, who I believe was also below Lewandowski and Coman in terms of ratings.
Kimmich was my player of the match last night, that guy can play anywhere and if have him over Thiago any day of the week!
Also Veratti only came on in the second half, due to fitness, bit harsh to claim he was overshadowed!
Oh yeah there is no doubt I am very concerned what Chelsea are doing and pushes them well away from us next season as it stands
Think he'll end up at around £180-220k if he joined us. If he's so desperate for a new challenge in a new league and (apparently) really wants to join us, he'll be alright with that figure.
Should we be looking at Thiago too??
We all know his strengths and weaknesses. Everyone will point to his lack of defensive skills, but he is so good at recycling the ball. Liverpool have about the same space for him as we do, but having a player like that in your squad on top of an already good hardworking midfield will really allow them to take a step forward.
Should we be enquiring...
We all know his strengths and weaknesses. Everyone will point to his lack of defensive skills, but he is so good at recycling the ball. Liverpool have about the same space for him as we do, but having a player like that in your squad on top of an already good hardworking midfield will really allow them to take a step forward.
Should we be enquiring...
Why does he want to leave a CL winning team to go play for Pool? Klopp admirer? $$?
Which is absurd for a world class, treble-winning, star performing midfielder on his last big contract in Europe. Think, if you don't pay him the going rate, it's not happening unless his wage is partially subsidised. But as someone said, he's not a profile player, so I don't see any change in sponsorship for you off the back of his arrival.
He really wants to join you if he's prepared to lose out on over £100k per week for the privilege!
Lack of defensive skills ? His pressing, workrate, pressing resistance , interceptions ? Modric ,Kroos, Veratti has better defensive skills ? no way. Name me one playmaker with better defensive skills. Job of players like Modric , Kroos and Thiago is controlling the game. Players like Casemiro and Goretzka are more responsible for the defence part. I doubt there are many playmakers with better defensive skills. It is not even his main job, but regardless he is amazing defensively.
Also, I am still convinced that Liverpool is the only realistic club he is leaving Bayern for. From the beginning it was always about Liverpool. Even if United is interested, no way he end up here.
We've already agreed personal terms so I think it wasn't such an obstacle anyway. Besides, if it is because he wants the "new challenge", where else would he go? He could get a lot more money at PSG yes but he'd take a step backwards in terms of career trajectory if he went to Ligue 1 now. He's already been in La Liga. Already been in the Bundesliga. That leaves maybe Juventus as another potential candidate but that's about it.
I also think he "only" earns €220k at Bayern right now? I think he's fine with that for his last long contract at a huge club in the Premier League. If he really wants Liverpool over yourselves for example, where he could earn substantially more, I'd think it's because he thinks your rebuilding project isn't fully completed yet and he'd have to wait 2-3 years to potentially compete for the title (or CL) again. At Liverpool he basically walks into the perfect opportunity for another league trophy right now. His and our time window to win a lot of silverware are similar.
They're just different players. Thiago is more press resistant, but Carrick would never have left his defenders exposed the way Thiago did at times last night. Both are/were the level below the very best.
I will miss him so fecking much. Hope he finds success wherever he goes.
Yeah it's a no brainer but when the Bayern mouthpiece constantly keeps mentioning Liverpool you know there's no one else in the running
Maybe a bit less success. Let's keep this special
Well, if he's prepared to go to you for so little when he can command more elsewhere, he really wants to play for Klopp.
This is supposed to be the biggest contract he'll get whilst playing 'proper' football and for him to not maximise his earning potential then would be quite something.
I don't think we're in for him, unfortunately.
Nah. And I'm saying that as a German.
Of course it was. Kroos was transferred to Real for a very reasonable amount of money. Everyone was moaning how Bayern was fleeced.
I've always thought it would make sense for us. At the price quoted it's a no-brainer.
Don't do this to me
Quite why we are not in the market for this class player, who is precisely the deep-lying quarterback-style creative midfielder we have been screaming out for is beyond me. Ole is clearly not convinced by Fred, Matic or McTominay.
VDB, Thiago and Sancho in the same window would be unbelievable, keeping Smalling as a temporary fix until next year.
Smalling is leaving
United get linked and magically the heavily linked club pay up a few days later.
Happened with that defender to Arse.
Happened with that defender to Arse.
United linked/used, so he will be a Liverpool player by Wednesday.
Then I wonder who would replace him, it's a shame as he could do a job for United next season
Love how the caf's opinion of Jan changes everyday. There were calls to blacklist him on the Sancho thread when he broke some bad news. Mentions United and Thiago in the same sentence and he's now the oracle. That being said, this definitely looks like a tactic to make the dippers pay up. I'd absolutely want to smack Woodward if Bayern then use that 30m on VDB.
Offer £35million. It’s an absolute bargain.
The only bit of hope is that Liverpool didnt pay up for Werner either.
They will accept 30m euros
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