What a joy to watch. He’s a class above most in his position at the moment. Just hope Pogba was watching this final and trying to take notes. Calm, smooth, long ball, short pass. He just did everything so effortlessly. Best players in the world make things look easy.
Thiago Alcantara | Pool bound
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I'm not sure why the measure of a retaining midfielder for you is the number of direct assists made? His job is to control the midfield, kill the lustre of the opposition and basically be a constant thorn in the side who will set up the pass before the killer pass over and over again.
You are aware that Scholes, in his most lauded season as DLP had (according to transfermarkt) only 2 goals and 4 assists across both the PL and the CL in our double-winning season?
There isn't a better retaining midfielder than him on the planet right now - Verratti is the closest challenger and he's yet to perform at the stage Thiago just has. He is the best at what he does and you've chosen a really strange time to say something to the contrary after he's put on a clinic that should have every club who can match his wage salivating and on the blower to his agent tonight.
That's hardly fair, is it? Thiago's issues nearly always revolve around whether his knees will hold up, not his quality or performance level.
Yeah feck you Moyes for screwing this one up and same to LVG for doing likewise with Kroos as well
I really hope we do get him but I am worried that we won't because in reality, we don't really need him. He is a great player but I'm thinking our management won't take the 30 million plunge because of our needs and his age. I can see them low bidding and waiting it out. Then of course Arsenal,united, or Chelsea will come in with the 30 million bid and off he will go ala Werner. With him in our midfield we could claim to have the best team in all positions. I just hope our friends at FSG see it this way.
Maybe not the best example but Carrick never played as well as Thiago tonight at that level and it’s incredibly rose tinted glasses to think so. Carrick was good but never sniffed best midfielder in the world or World XI level. That is what Thiago is arguably at currently. Scholes is a better comparison to Thiago anyway and Carrick was never as good as peak Scholes.
Midfield was considered the weakest part of United’s team for most of Carrick’s United career and although he did a great job at times he also struggled at times too. Carrick is only 4th or 5th best centre midfielder in the Fergie years anyway and actually I’d even say Roy Keane was a more impactful presence and runner of games than Carrick while also offering elsewhere.
Will be an interesting transfer to follow after this win.
I wouldn't worry about us and Arsenal haven't got Champions League football,in regards to Chelsea they have priorities elsewhere. You have a free run at him so you will be absolutely fine.
Sadly we dont appear to even be looking at Bruno Guimarães, Tonali seems to be heading to Inter and thankfully Rice is massively overpriced. Thiago has had injury issues but he's developed into a full DLP and is defensively good, for £30M I think we should be in for him.
Xavi would be proud of a performance like that, he was fantastic.
Bayern will miss him a lot next season as I don't believe they have anyone who can fill in that gap, they'll be more vulnerable to the press next year.
Bayern will miss him a lot next season as I don't believe they have anyone who can fill in that gap, they'll be more vulnerable to the press next year.
Yeah we could roll out the red carpet for him and still he would snub us for those scouse bastards
Kimmich will play as a CDM which he already did until Pavard got injured. Kimmichs best might not be equal to Thiagos best as a CDM but he is more consistent.
Luckily for us Thiago was at his best tonight. What a performance.
It’s been a long time since I’ve watched such a supreme midfield performance. This guy will be scary in PL, feeding balls to Mane and Salah.
Our worst nightmare is probably just days away from becoming a reality
Agreed, he will be replaced by a quality player for sure. I meant that it won't be a player with the same attributes. Kimmich is great in midfield but he's a different kind of player and he's not impossible to press in the same way Thiago is so I believe Bayern will really miss his presence in certain situations and I can see this team having a lot more problems when being pressed high in european games.
We'll have to wait and see
After the 2013 saga, this will hurt. Maybe in the long run will hurt pool even more considering his huge wage, injury history and the age of their best players.
Bayern, be useful for once and convince him to stay or sell elsewhere.
Bayern, be useful for once and convince him to stay or sell elsewhere.
Thiago was the perfect fit in this Bayern system. He was the maestro, with Muller and Goreztka covering the more physical aspect of the game.
Reminds me of Pirlo with Marchisio, Pogba and Vidal at Juventus. In that system, Marchisio and Vidal would provide the engine, reducing Pogba’s defensive duties.
Unfortunately for us, we dont have a skillful player that can also dominate physically in midfield and bully the opposing midfield. Pogba has all the qualities to do so, but he doesnt want to.
Reminds me of Pirlo with Marchisio, Pogba and Vidal at Juventus. In that system, Marchisio and Vidal would provide the engine, reducing Pogba’s defensive duties.
Unfortunately for us, we dont have a skillful player that can also dominate physically in midfield and bully the opposing midfield. Pogba has all the qualities to do so, but he doesnt want to.
If we are giving a 3 year deal to Matic, then signing Thiago is a no brainer.
The fact that we are not even linked with him is baffling
The fact that we are not even linked with him is baffling
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It's not arrogant to have an opposing view of a player, especially when I have knowledge of that particular role.
Or is that it? Because I have an opposing view, with valid points it comes across as know it all?
Validity makes the difference I suppose.
Bayern won't miss him, he's interchangeable in that team.
His biggest attribute is his press resistance and ability to break the lines and feed the forward players like Carrick use to do.
What is not noticed though is his positional sense, defensive contribution like tracking runners from deep and game intelligence in tactical fouls.
He is also versatile as he can play as an 8 and a 10 but playing as a 6 now seem his best role. The tactical flexibility in mixing up the midfield in terms of options will be special for us.
We could start Thiago, Pogba and Bruno in easy games and switch it up a bit with Matic. This allows us to rest any of Bruno, Pogba and Matic to prevent burn out and also create healthy competition. Anybody who becomes undroppable would have been playing at a supreme level.
Even if his peak is just for two more seasons, he will be an absolute asset for us. We should get him and use Mata and Pereira's wages to pay him.
What is not noticed though is his positional sense, defensive contribution like tracking runners from deep and game intelligence in tactical fouls.
He is also versatile as he can play as an 8 and a 10 but playing as a 6 now seem his best role. The tactical flexibility in mixing up the midfield in terms of options will be special for us.
We could start Thiago, Pogba and Bruno in easy games and switch it up a bit with Matic. This allows us to rest any of Bruno, Pogba and Matic to prevent burn out and also create healthy competition. Anybody who becomes undroppable would have been playing at a supreme level.
Even if his peak is just for two more seasons, he will be an absolute asset for us. We should get him and use Mata and Pereira's wages to pay him.
That's a bit much. Liverpool were far better than us last season and will be far better than us next season, whether they sign Thiago or not.
We should be more concerned about what Chelsea are doing.
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Nothing you’ve said has been valid you were wrong about his gametime, wrong about his playing style, wrong about your experience level being a good barometer for the role and to try and make a valid point you say your team has been promoted.
You also claim to not need to learn anything about being a CM/DM and as a 35 yo semi pro player that’s arrogant.
He wants around £345.000 a week, doubt the scousers or us can/want to afford that.
He'd fit right in for a certain french team though, if Bayern is foolish enough to let him go.
He'd fit right in for a certain french team though, if Bayern is foolish enough to let him go.
Why would Bayern sell him though. After this CL run, surely they would be hesitant to let him go. Him and Goretzka are a very good combination.
You may play to a decent enough level but that doesn’t mean you understand the game as well as you’d think. Look at how many pundits who played at a far far higher level than you can chat absolute shit. Two assists is quite low, but he isn’t a player who assists. Let’s used Scholes, he was averaging around 4 assists a season when he dropped further back into midfield. But by your metric he was good but not top quality. It’s not that Thiago just recycles the ball well, he controls the pace of the game, he’s great in tight spaces, he passes forward almost every opportunity he can and his range of passing is excellent. Defensively he does a lot more work than you’d think with the most tackles and interceptions per game. Honestly if you don't think he’s a top quality player then maybe don’t think about coaching when you hang up your boots.
True. He'd be perfect for PSG. They should look to build up the rest of their team behind the front 3 although funnily enough it's the attack that let them down last night.
Contract expires next summer and won't sign a new one apparently.
You keep making stuff up, I'll carry on with what I know.
Cheers.
It's not about being foolish, there is nothing they can do to keep him there if he wants another challenge and his contract expires next year.
But no, Liverpool will most definitely not be giving him £345k per week. Not even close.
I'm not doubting he's a quality player, that has never been in question.
What I am doubting is the histrionics about him going to Liverpool, or how he is now the best player the world has seen.
He has two assists playing as a number 6, Groetzka has double that playing alongside him.
This season's output from Thiago has been average in comparison to some of his previous seasons, despite his team achieving more and scoring more.
Money will hopefully be a stumbling block. It's frustrating to see him go to Liverpool. Although as United fans we should focus more on who we'll sign.
You would think City should be desperate for him with their midfield options ? Does he not fancy working under Pep again ? Praying he doesn't end up at the shite.
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None of what I just posted was anything other than direct claims made by yourself.
Good luck with pre season and your season. Any plans to go into coaching?
I mean he also has substantially more tackles and interceptions per game than Groetzka their shows that he’s probably the one of the two that stays back. His output in terms of assists and goals has not been his best, but every other part of his game has been absolutely fantastic. Remember at a level above semi-pro people are lauded for more than just assists and goals. He is now seen as one of the best midfielders in the world because everyone watched more of this Bayern side in the CL than usual and he was constantly the one pulling all of the strings. Most things started with him or ran through him. Stop looking at assists.
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Sunday League Thiago has spoken. How dare you question Captain Marvel and his 3 promotions!
He is a steal at 20 25 million. We need to get this done.
Yes, but his wages is a massive problem.
Anyone know what he's earning at Bayern?
Same reason why people are moaning at Pogba now too.
Midfield roles have evolved, once upon a time it was about getting the ball into the forwards/wide men then making runs into the box. Now it's about control more than anything.
When you look at the best deep lying playmakers over the last few years (Kroos, De Jong,Jorginho,Fabinho,Fernandinho etc etc) they all have low assist/goal outputs but have a hugely important difference on the team.
We are famous for overpaying average turds...here is a footballer who actually deserves to be paid 250 to 300k.
You can all stop flapping. The manager confirmed in the post match presser that Thiago is now staying at Bayern. Its all over the press now too. He's told him he wants to stay now apparently
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