He was laughing like a madman after he said it . Dont think he meant it.
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He was laughing like a madman after he said it . Dont think he meant it.
Flick was joking, he afterwards said that he doesn't know what Thiago is doing.
You should probably see the clip for yourself before commenting, you've been clickbaited as usual.
If anything it basically confirmed that he's off.
That's not actually a fact is it? He might stay and see out his contract for all we know. He doesn't exactly look unhappy does he?
Anyone who watched Thiago celebrating yesterday saw a man saying goodbye to his teammates. And it showed me how much we'll miss him.
I agree with your general points but you'd probably have a hard time finding two midfielders who interpret their respective roles more differently than Pogba and Thiago. They are nothing alike, IMO. Pogba is a spectacular passer but he's not a press-resistant metronome like Thiago. Actually, the stats tell you that pretty quickly. Pogba misplaces ~14% of his passes, Thiago around ~9%. That's more than a 50% increase. Pogba also gets dispossessed more than twice as much and tackles/intercepts not as much as Thiago. The only thing they have in common is that they like to dribble quite a lot.
He literally answered "He told me he's staying" only to wait a few seconds, laugh, say "Should've seen your face. No, jokes aside, we don't know yet. He focused on the CL and hasn't decided". but apparently, he said his good byes to the Bundesliga refs already, telling them that this was his final match in the league.
Shouldn't Pep be all over a player like this?
So maybe we should keep flapping after all then @Nou_Camp99
They play similar roles these days. Both play deeper in a 4-2-3-1 and are the main playmaker from deep. The difference is Thiago is smaller and more agile and can turn out of pressure quicker and better.
Pogba is more likely to get caught on the ball because our team is also less drilled, and would rather try to ride out the press and go forward than play a backwards pass.
Saying that though Pogba is probably more likely to create a chance from deep individually than Thiago, he plays a riskier game hence the higher ball losses.
Pretty sure Champ thinks Thiago wouldn't get into his Sunday league team either.
Flap away if it pleases you.
You keep going don't you. If you somehow can't see how thinking Goretzka who had 50 odd passes plays the same role in that team as someone who had 80 odd passes doesn't make sense then what can people tell you?
They've got Gündogan, de Bruyne, Bernardo Silva and Foden so I guess they're fine. In a Pep system, I don't think the deepest role is his best, he'd be more of an 8 there, and City has good players for those positions. Maybe if the moved de Bruyne to the right wing or the false 9 into a similar role to Messi's they could integrate him but I don't see that happening.
I see an opposing view, I didn't see any valid points though. What's the matter of goals and assist anyway? Thiago's pass in the build up of the 1:0 was decisive, he contributed more to that goal than many players do through an average assist or goal.
No offense, but if you don't understand such basic concepts of midfield play I don't think you're a particularly subtle player. There are obviously different styles that can be successful, especially at lower levels, but with such an attitude you probably hit a certain ceiling pretty early.
I mean, look at the best teams of the last decades. Those almost always had those low scoring metronome passers in the center. Madrid with Modric and Kroos, Barca with Iniesta, Xavi and Busquets, Bayern with Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Alonso, Lahm and Thiago, City with David Silva, Fernandinho, de Bruyne and so forth. National teams alike. You could even make a case for Liverpool having such players in Wijnaldum and arguably Fabinho. Sure, some of those players also had very good scoring seasons occasionally, for example Xavi, but Iniesta's best season for instance is the one with his most underwhelming scoring stats. At least include pre-assists and key passes in this analysis.
How about him signing for PSG?
Last year PSG lost to us and they signed Herrera. £30m is peanut for them and no one would offer him the salary they would.
Last year PSG lost to us and they signed Herrera. £30m is peanut for them and no one would offer him the salary they would.
I guess that our board and Ole think that we are well covered within the CM/CDM area with Matic, Fred and McTominay. We are only looking for 1-2 attacking players and maybe a defender.
I get the idea everyone believes every footballer is a mercenary.... he seems to want to go to Liverpool, Liverpool need him and seemingly want, Bayern are happy for it to happen.
Also, when most of these players go on 300,400+k wages, some of it tends to fund itself in commercial ways, and Thiago doesn't bring that. So while he may fit for rich teams, if he doesn't want to do it, they aren't probably going to double wages that decent paying clubs like Bayern or Liverpool just to tempt him. On top of that, he's also marginally injury prone and 29.
Also, when most of these players go on 300,400+k wages, some of it tends to fund itself in commercial ways, and Thiago doesn't bring that. So while he may fit for rich teams, if he doesn't want to do it, they aren't probably going to double wages that decent paying clubs like Bayern or Liverpool just to tempt him. On top of that, he's also marginally injury prone and 29.
Think he and Verratti are too similar, both prefer to do their work in deeper positions.
I'm not just looking at assists, it's funny because Ozil got absolutely lambasted on here time and time again despite producing numbers that Thiago could only dream about, all whilst covering the most distance game after game.
Yet, here's a player in Thiago, who is undoubtedly a good player, being heralded as now as 'one of the best midfielders in the world', despite having a relatively reduced output from previous seasons. You couldn't make it up.
His manager even suggested he was replaceable in his comments a few days ago, it was something along the lines of 'if he goes, life goes on' hardly the words of a manager desperate to keep him.
Whoever gets Thiago are lucky. He's a great player with several years left at a top level.
Barcelona should do everything they can to bring him back tbh.
Barcelona should do everything they can to bring him back tbh.
Bayern are not happy to see him go. They want to keep him and offered him a new deal where they met his demands. Thiago then decided to not sign the agreed upon contract.
Yesterday he was just absolutely flawless and world class. Pretty sure PSG`s plan was to take him out, but he always had answers to the pressure. Prime Modric and Thiago are probably the most esthetic midfielders to watch since Zidane.
Scholes also went from nearly 20 goals a season to very few as he got older but in a lot of ways he was a more impressive footballer from 2006-08 for that reason, could run a game in a way he didn't in his 'peak' years, Keane did that in those days.
Agreed. Later years Scholes was my favourite. Similar to Thiago he just had space wherever he went because his awareness, anticipation and ball control was at an insane level. Could watch Scholesy sling it 40 yards from deep positions over and over again
Scholes was a player who always looked like he had time on the ball. When you watched him closely it was because his first touch was always in a direction that allowed him to protect the ball and before he received the ball he'd glanced around to see what his options were. One of the greatest United players ever for me.
Well no, but I mean it in a respectful way. It's all respectful, and he's still going relatively cheap. They could just hold on to him for a year or hell January and not lose out on that much.
Just because someone meets your demands, doesn't mean you have to sign it, the option is merely there.
Yeah probably, but it's definitely better to have two top players in such difficult position I think. Plus Thiago can play any position in the mid. And it's not like every day of the week you come across the chance to sign a top midfielder. They're very rare and imo PSG could easily afford both. Plus both Verratti and Thiago are pretty injure prone I think.
Personally of course I'd like very much Thiago to sign for PSG instead of Liverpool.
A manager who knows he’s leaving is going to say something like that.
But here we have pundits drooling over Thiago, articles being written about how unbelievably fantastic he is, threads full of people fawning over him, subreddits praising him. But you. You see it differently. You have a such an understanding of the game, that you see something the world doesn’t. You see the number 2. It’s a number smaller than other numbers. That number is the root of it all. He’s overrated. He must be. His whole team won the treble this year, but he only had 2 assists. That must mean it was his worst season. ‘Output’ is the only metric upon which we can judge a player’s season. Just because your numbers have decreased in a better team, doesn’t mean you are necessarily worse. It means your role has changed. If we want to use another arbitrary metric. His whoscored rating for the entire season is better than his midfield partners and only comes behind Lewa, Gnabry, and Davies in the Bundesliga and Lewa and Davies in the CL.
Or let’s for a second say this was his worst season. If this is his lowest level in terms of performance and he’s absolutely running the game in the CL against Chelsea, Barcelona and PSG. Then yeah, he’s only quite good. Last year he was better in the Bundesliga, the year before he was worse in the Bl but better in the CL.
You’ve backed yourself into a corner. You have a whole thread’s worth of people disagreeing with you and your only arguments are ‘I played the game in his position’ and ‘2 assists’. Just concede the point and move on.
Once again, as I don't think people are understanding me here, I get he's a good player, I can see that.
I'm highlighting the fact that his output this season hasn't been great, somehow people on here are believing he's the best in the world, which is far from the case, all because he's going to Liverpool I suppose.
It seems to me that if someone has an opposing view on here then their knowledge gets picked apart, which really shouldn't be the case as no one knows the experience anyone has with football on here.
Looking at the assists/goals for the players you've mentioned, Kroos, Modric etc, all have consistently better outputs than Thiago, bar Xavi Alonso, whose primary role was at the base of a midfield. One could argue that's Thiagos role too, however I'd beg to differ due to his partnership usually with Goretzka.
You also mention Silva and KDB, both head and shoulders above Thiago both in terms of influence and output. Fernandinho is used more as an extra CB in peps adjusted system.
Concede the fact that I have a different point of view on a player? Why?
I don't believe he's world class, I don't believe he's the best in the world as someone has said in this thread.
There was an article in a paper a few days prior to last night's game articulating how Thiago isn't the best on the world but is a very good player, it actively highlights exactly what I've been saying.
Funny how people pick up on what pundits say to support their point of view, yet consistently belittle the very same pundits for knowing nothing or very little later down the line.
It's almost as if the default to an opposing point of view is to try and claim the other person has a lack of knowledge.
Is Thiago good? Yes, is he world class or one of the best in the world? No, not a chance.
That's where you're wrong. Thiago's role has been defense-oriented first and foremost for at least this season, and it has proven to be his most impactful contribution in all his years with us. Comparisons with the likes of KdB are just pointless.
And who determines what output is? Thiago played the most important pass in the creation of the goal, to me that IS output, even if it is not to be seen in goal/assist statistics. A goal or assist is simply the last or second to last touch in a sequence of touches that leads to a goal. It says nothing about the difficulty or importance of the play. For what it's worth, Thiago is Bayern's most important player in initiating such situations. He also initiated the scene in which Lewandowski hit the woodwork by the way.
You're judging based on improper metrics. If you play a killer through ball that sets up two attackers against the keeper, then the receiver squares it across five meters for an easy tap in, you've made the most decisive play but won't show up in the scoring sheet. That's a typical situation for a midfielder and Thiago has countless of them.
If you really want to get into it, look at packing rate. That's a great metric to judge a midfielder by and I'm sure Thiago's packing rate in the final was out of this world since he overplayed so, so many opponent's at so, so many occasions. And yes, that's why he's the best midfielder this season for me. Not one of but the best. He does what a midfielder is supposed to do better than anyone else.
Great performance from him in the final in a very demanding role. Fair fecks to show this performance in a difficult final. I still hope he stays but if he leaves, good luck to him.
I was using pundits not to support my point but to show that they PLUS journalists PLUS fans PLUS Bayern fans - who most importantly know exactly how he has been playing this season, and understand that his out put is lower because he has been more defensive - all disagree with you. Sometimes having a different opinion can mean having the wrong opinion. Having your opinion belittles players the likes of Carrick and Scholes. He’s one of the best players in arguably the best team in European football.
Your only point that you repeat is ‘he is very good, but his output hasn’t been great therefore he isn’t one of the best midfielders in the world’. We, the people who watch football with our eyes, see that he is a player through which Bayern start most of their attacks. A player whose defensive contributions have increased this year and have helped the team immeasurably. A player who controls the pace of the game for the team, knows when to slow it down and speed it up. Descriptions like that must evoke memory of a prime Paul Scholes for you. He isn’t as good, very few will ever be, but he’s still one of the best deep lying midfielders in the world. I’d implore you to name many better in his position.
Well yes, that's why I said talent-wise they are close, but Pogba has not progressed much since coming to us, while Thiago worked on his flaws and is really great player right now. Pogba could become that kind of player me thinks, but at this point it seems unlikely as he seems happy to be what he is.
I wasn't the one who brought up them comparisons, merely quoting them.
I'd say Thiago plays a bit further forward than a 'traditional' number 6 would.
Although that's probably partly down to the level of dominance Bayern often exude over games.
Thiago is playing as a DM nowadays. Dropping deep between both CB, picking the ball and driving it forward
Good in possession meaning he didn't give the ball away - that I agree. But he struggled to get the ball forward when pressed, couldn't make space for himself to make a pass. He was not a player who could win us a midfield battle against top opposition the way Thiago does.
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