That's fine and if he goes on to be a top player for Bayern/anywhere all I'm saying is that it would be fair to say we missed a trick there in not even trying if that is the case whether due to a lack of internal communication/ scouts/the manager not rating him.
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That's fine and if he goes on to be a top player for Bayern/anywhere all I'm saying is that it would be fair to say we missed a trick there in not even trying if that is the case whether due to a lack of internal communication/ scouts/the manager not rating him.
Nah mate, your posts are embarrassing. If you're that embarrassed to be a United fan because our manager didn't think a certain young player wasn't what he was looking for in his first season at the club then maybe you should look for a different club.
Christ, some of you are fecking unbelievable spoilt little brats this summer.
Yep. I think it's perfectly fine to say in your (and my) opinion he would have been ideal for us and I have no doubt he'll be a fantastic player and in our opinion we should have had a go at signing him. If you were to go as far as to say it was "fecking embarrassing" or something along those lines then I would have a major issue.
It makes sense since there is only 2 years difference between them. I guess the frustration may only lie in Fabregas unavailability.
There's got to be something pretty big in this though. Between us making two bids for him and Irwin bringing up our interest in him ages ago, there's just got to be more to it.
I think we'll get Fabregas TBH.
I never posted in the Thiago thread and rarely posted anything about our transfer activities/targets thread this summer, because I don't really care too much about transfer period, looking as football fan it's the stupidest and most boring time of the year(muppets will disagree).
But, after reading those quotes from Thiago's agent, I was really mad, and I really think some people at our clubs are true idiots.
How is it possible that we don't show any interest in probably most talented young midfielder in the world, especially at that price? What kind of people are working as scouts and have not informed people at club responsible about transfers about Thiago, or his ridiculously low buyout clause? Even if we have Scholes, Fletcher and Carrick at their prime in our midfield, we should still at least know about his situation and try to contact his people.
I don't blame Moyes, Round or anyone else who just arrived at the club, but I blame people who are responsible for scouting and transfers, they should have inform Moyes, Fergie, Albert the kitman, Mike fecking Phelan, club mascott, anyone.
But, after reading those quotes from Thiago's agent, I was really mad, and I really think some people at our clubs are true idiots.
How is it possible that we don't show any interest in probably most talented young midfielder in the world, especially at that price? What kind of people are working as scouts and have not informed people at club responsible about transfers about Thiago, or his ridiculously low buyout clause? Even if we have Scholes, Fletcher and Carrick at their prime in our midfield, we should still at least know about his situation and try to contact his people.
I don't blame Moyes, Round or anyone else who just arrived at the club, but I blame people who are responsible for scouting and transfers, they should have inform Moyes, Fergie, Albert the kitman, Mike fecking Phelan, club mascott, anyone.
We haven't signed a midfielder in 5 years.
All of our midfielders bar Carrick are average to shit.
A brilliant 22 year old from the best academy in world football comes out saying he wants to leave and we don't even call up his agent?
It's gross misconduct. I don't understand how anyone can think otherwise.
So now we were never in for him. I give up . Roll on community shield.
No, of course not. Read my post properly. Having a moan about it not happening is stupid, because we wouldn't have got him anyway.
FM seems to have given a lot of people the notion that the footballing world is a lot smaller than it actually is. There are a lot of brilliant footballers. We don't have this divine right to try and get every single one of them whenever they come available.. We're already after one of the world's best midfielders despite a lot of evidence that he's not really available. How many do you want us to go for?
You're embarrassing yourself badly here.
It's stuff like this that's taking it too far. Do I think we should have signed a quality midfielder in the past 5 years? Yes, undoubtedly. There has been a number of major names out there too and no doubt we've probably missed out on one or two of them, but people seem to have this habit of making transfers sound so much easier than they are. I'm going to be disappointed if we don't get someone like Fabregas this window and I'm usually the sort who would happily criticise when something's wrong, but to describe it as gross misconduct is a step too far.
I can't believe after all that we didn't even approach Thiago. That's funny as feck. We'd actually have to be complete fecking morons to believe anything without quotes from this point onwards.
That's funny as feck. We'd actually have to be complete fecking morons to believe anything without quotes from this point onwards.Great gif Deco
I don't understand what you're all celebrating about. On one hand, the club structure didn't rate Thiago enough to go for him (are they crazy?), and on the other, they thought it was clever to not go for an opportunity to sign a young and supremely talented footballer, only to throw in a bid for a player who plays in the same position a day after Thiago leaves, which puts them in a weakened bargaining position. It just has an air of being amateurish, which is weird because I'm sure they know what they are doing.
So we're taking Thiago's word for it but not his father's? Who talked on his behalf? We've tracked this player for 3 years. I think Thiago would prefer it be known that Bayern was his one and only choice and Pep was the primary reason.
I don't want to say it, but......
For what it's worth
What is it Nev?
I wasn't really responding to you, just the thread in general.
I never thought it was on, and said I felt it was all media/twitter nonsense.
Which I see is now continuing, with one of those who tweeted much of the nonsense now suggesting it was an agreement by the two parties to keep it quiet. Easier than admitting you were wrong the whole time.
Why would Thiago feel the need to agree to this, exactly? Why would he give a flying feck about United and their need to "save face"?
I never thought it was on, and said I felt it was all media/twitter nonsense.
Which I see is now continuing, with one of those who tweeted much of the nonsense now suggesting it was an agreement by the two parties to keep it quiet. Easier than admitting you were wrong the whole time.
Why would Thiago feel the need to agree to this, exactly? Why would he give a flying feck about United and their need to "save face"?
We have shown interest in the past. Nothing came of it because Barcelona didn't want to sell. It's my understanding that until the drop in the clause, we didn't have a realistic chance in signing him. He was on Sir Alex's target list. Apparently, he was not on Moyes. It is disappointing but these things do happen. We're potentially taking a gamble on Fabregas joining us when we could have possibly landed Thiago based on his father's quotes. However, sometimes you have to make these gambles. Moyes favors Fabregas more than Thiago. What can I say?
It is a fair opinion. Ultimately, it is hard for any of us to know since we are merely fans. You could say if we were truly close to signing him as his father suggested, then perhaps all parties would prefer the public narrative be, we were never really interested and Bayern was his only choice. I am still bemused by the contradiction. Unless, Mazinho never said those words. However, we do not know this either.
It also means if Thiago is telling the truth, people such as Craig Norwood, who takes photos for the club, was lying about Mazinho being over in Manchester to speak with the club. Hunter as well.
I don't see how it benefits Thiago to toe that line. "United were after me, but I chose Bayern" even reads better, from his current position than "Bayern were the only team who tried to sign me. Even Barca didn't contact me".
I am assuming he was being literal -- United never spoke to him directly but through his dad. The answer needs to be put in its proper context. Some reporter probably asked him for the 176th time about United's interest at a press conference in Munich.
He said "us", not "me".
This cant be fecking true. One of the best midfielders in Europe is available at a idiotically low price where the owner club could have no say as to whether to sell him or not and we didnt even try to sign him? Like I said this cant be fecking true, there is no logic whatsoever to that.
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Once again Nevs, you make a fair point. This is the same player who said he wouldn't follow Pep to Bayern. It may not benefit him but perhaps when players officially sign for another club they choose not to speak about what really happened with another. When he was asked about Real Madrid he said, "no comment". What's all that about? We were not the only club chasing van Persie, yet I do not remember him speaking about Juventus or City after signing for us. Mancini, if I remember correctly, said they were in for him or something to that effect. There were recently a pair of Serbian kids who were set to sign for Tottenham. They didn't and one of them chose not to speak about Tottenham directly.
If I appear to be clutching at straws here, so be it. Nonetheless, all the pieces did not quite add up for me. Perhaps we are never really supposed to know what happened.
P.S It is nice they finally restored your original name. For some time there, I thought you left the forum only to discover they changed your name.
Once again Nevs, you make a fair point. This is the same player who said he wouldn't follow Pep to Bayern. It may not benefit him but perhaps when players officially sign for another club they choose not to speak about what really happened with another. When he was asked about Real Madrid he said, "no comment". What's all that about? We were not the only club chasing van Persie, yet I do not remember him speaking about Juventus or City after signing for us. Mancini, if I remember correctly, said they were in for him or something to that effect. There were recently a pair of Serbian kids who were set to sign for Tottenham. They didn't and one of them chose not to speak about Tottenham directly.
If I appear to be clutching at straws here, so be it. Nonetheless, all the pieces did not quite add up for me. Perhaps we are never really supposed to know what happened.
P.S It is nice they finally restored your original name. For some time there, I thought you left the forum only to discover they changed your name.
It's been changed back for a while now. I was never a Thick Numpty anyway, though it did have it's own story.
On topic, I don't recall RVP being asked directly and not answering. He's specifically stated we didn't approach "them". I see no reason for him to seek to help us out of our embarrassment by hiding the fact he rejected us.
On topic, I don't recall RVP being asked directly and not answering. He's specifically stated we didn't approach "them". I see no reason for him to seek to help us out of our embarrassment by hiding the fact he rejected us.
Seriously? Moyes wasn't impressed by Thiago? too similar to other players we have on board? wouldnt get enought playing time? we only have Carrick ffs.
one of the best midfielders in Europe available with such ridiculously low release clause but Moyes wasnt impresses then so be it? Well in that case lets not criticise anything.
Where's that meltdown alarm?
Honestly, I don't think he did it to help us out. Although, they could have reached a mutual agreement however unlikely it seems. I am under the impression that usually players either deny interest from other clubs or do not say anything at all. I say this because I usually do not see quotes from players saying "it was between club x and club y but I chose club x for this reason". Maybe as you suggest, they are never asked but I find it less probable since journalists like to ask those type of questions.
Do you think his father lied then?
He's already mentioned us, though. I don't often hear footballers say "I signed for team A, but team B weren't interested".
As a general point, I find it difficult to criticise Moyes. For starters, we do not know the full reasons why we did not pursue the deal further. It is odd however, when Roures, president of Mediaset, said Thiago had offers from Madrid, United and Bayern. Is he lying about this situation too? Nonetheless, when Sir Alex told Moyes he would be the next manager, he did so in the knowledge that Moyes would be his own man. Therefore, Moyes should be confident enough in his decision-making to ascertain if going for a world class talent is better than going for a seasoned pro who has plied his trade in the EPL for many years. Perhaps, he did not know enough of Thiago and had doubts. We can hypothesize that Moyes would have had more exposure to Fabregas anyway due to his time in England.
If it was his choice not to further pursue the deal, we will have to accept it. It may appear silly because of how talented Thiago is, but we will have to live with it. I am certainly not happy about missing out on such a gifted footballer. I stated my case plenty of times why I thought he would be a perfect signing for us. Let's not forget we missed out on Ronaldinho and other gifted players. It is no fun, but I'd much rather give Moyes my support because as Fergie said, he is going to need our support.
Furthermore, Moyes is not the one who handles the negotiations. He made it clear Woodward is the one who handles it. I do not know if Moyes makes personal calls like Sir Alex did but other than that, what else can he do other than his approval or disapproval of pursuing a target?
If it was his choice not to further pursue the deal, we will have to accept it. It may appear silly because of how talented Thiago is, but we will have to live with it. I am certainly not happy about missing out on such a gifted footballer. I stated my case plenty of times why I thought he would be a perfect signing for us. Let's not forget we missed out on Ronaldinho and other gifted players. It is no fun, but I'd much rather give Moyes my support because as Fergie said, he is going to need our support.
Furthermore, Moyes is not the one who handles the negotiations. He made it clear Woodward is the one who handles it. I do not know if Moyes makes personal calls like Sir Alex did but other than that, what else can he do other than his approval or disapproval of pursuing a target?
Perhaps I should have clarified. When I said "deny interest" I did not mean footballers explicitly say "but team B weren't interested". I mean their response to any questions about other clubs being interested is non-committal and vague. Thiago's was different which caught my attention especially after his father's comments the day before.
Due to the fact Thiago is a Bayern player, is he professionally obligated not to reveal another club's interest? "yes, I was close to joining Manchester United, but I only wanted to join Pep". In the Independent, he was quoted as saying after the Euros, Pep called him and that's when he made his decision to join Bayern. Acknowledging our interest would change the narrative a bit right?
Now this is going in circles, but I hope you see what I am trying to express.
He specifically said in that article that he waited all summer to make a decision, so he's already changed the narrative.
I thnk it's pretty obvious that Thiago would have chosen Bayern over us no matter what we did to sign him once Pep decided he wanted him so I don't understand why people are angry. IF we get Fabregas it's going to make all this look even more silly.
This is true gza. Let's consider the situation before Thiago made these quotes. If we take Mazinho's to be true then it's disappointing we were in for the player but couldn't finalise a deal. You could also say it is disappointing if we never went for him considering his low buyout. However, as you say, what could we do once Pep came in?
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