Thiago Alcantara at Bayern

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Platato said:
The only one who is saying we didnt approach them was Thiago. His father and image rights holder stated the contrary. There is also the misconception that we had to make official contact with Barcelona. From my understanding, once you activate the release clause, there is no need to contact Barca. I doubt the VAT goes to Barca anyway.
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I'm not sure if that's a misconception. You have to make official contact with Barcelona, otherwise you're infringing the rules about tapping up players with a contract for another club. The thing is, with a release clause, Barcelona can't say "no", but I think you still have to formally approach them.
 
Arruda said:
I'm not sure if that's a misconception. You have to make official contact with Barcelona, otherwise you're infringing the rules about tapping up players with a contract for another club. The thing is, with a release clause, Barcelona can't say "no", but I think you still have to formally approach them.
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No you don't. The deal is only done with the player and it's the player who has to pay the buy out clause, of course the player is usually given this money by the club who wants him but still if you want a player with a buy out clause you never have to speak to his current club at all.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Thiago only said we never "talked" to him personally.

Of course we dealt with Mazinho, we said we would make a deal before the Euros.

After the Euros clearly Guardiola waided in, and that was that.

We never got the chance to talk to him directly because we never had the deal done.

Whoever thinks we actually were not interested is trying to kid themselves.
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No he didn't, he said Manchester United never spoke to "us". Unless there are more than one of him, he meant him and his camp. Where did you find this "him personally" thing? Did you just make up a quote.
 
Platato said:
If those clubs deny or never confirmed their interest then there's reason to doubt the above. I simply get the impression footballers seem to follow tact and focus on their current team rather than ones who were interested in them. Unless they're doing it out of spite, I do not really see many examples of players talking about other clubs once joining a new team. I could be wrong.
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He did talk about other teams though. He mentioned us by name when he said we didn't approach him.
 
Wonder why Pep is using him as a DM when the only criticism I ever see about him is the occasional lapse of concentration leading him to lose possession at times. It's more of a problem if he's playing directly in front of the back 4.
 
The Neviller said:
No he didn't, he said Manchester United never spoke to "us". Unless there are more than one of him, he meant him and his camp. Where did you find this "him personally" thing? Did you just make up a quote.
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I cannot remember where the exact quote was, but pretty sure it was the english version of AS or Marca.

They asked him about us, and said that we never talked to him personally. Also asked about the writing on the ball, which he said was just messing around and players do things like that all the time.
 
LR7 said:
Wonder why Pep is using him as a DM when the only criticism I ever see about him is the occasional lapse of concentration leading him to lose possession at times. It's more of a problem if he's playing directly in front of the back 4.
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He has to try and fit him in somehow. Pre season gives him the chance to do as he likes, it'll settle down once the meaningful games start.
 
He said United hadn't spoken to him or his "representative."

I think his dad, and various reporters weren't simply lying, so I assume he calls his dad, his dad and his actual agent/representative Pere Guardiola.

I take it as meaning that we expressed an interest but backed out at some "must have" clause. Like, for example, the idea that he wanted a release clause that would let him leave if he wasn't playing. If we told his dad it was a non-starter, and it was a must have, then we genuinely may never have got as far as talking to him, or looking at a draft contract with Guardiola.
 
This thread is like stalking the Facebook photos of a girl who shunned you.
 
NoLogo said:
No you don't. The deal is only done with the player and it's the player who has to pay the buy out clause, of course the player is usually given this money by the club who wants him but still if you want a player with a buy out clause you never have to speak to his current club at all.
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I've always wondered about how these two rules conflict and someone on another forum told me that talking to the club was still required, even if being a bullshit formality. Either way I always thought it was the way you say it as it's what makes more sense, and just confirms the absurdity of the no tapping up rules.
 
Arruda said:
I've always wondered about how these two rules conflict and someone on another forum told me that talking to the club was still required, even if being a bullshit formality. Either way I always thought it was the way you say it as it's what makes more sense, and just confirms the absurdity of the no tapping up rules.
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It's not required, because tapping up is only an offence if it leads to or encourages a breach of contract. If a player is told you're willing to pay his buyout (and you are), you can't really tap him up. Though must clubs do let the seller know at least informally - just because their life will be easier if they want to negotiate later.

You're on dodgier ground in the immediate pre-contract stage. Particularly when you ask him to undergo a medical as the contract holder generally have control over the doctors you can see - so a technical breach of contract occurs when you do it.
 
Arruda said:
I've always wondered about how these two rules conflict and someone on another forum told me that talking to the club was still required, even if being a bullshit formality. Either way I always thought it was the way you say it as it's what makes more sense, and just confirms the absurdity of the no tapping up rules.
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Well the only one that really has to contact the team is the player or his agent, they have to tell them that they would like to pay the buy out clause because the player wants to leave.

When it comes to talking to a player under contract no one really cares about telling the club he is playing for anyways, even though the rules say you have to.

In the end it comes down to clubs probably only talking to the agent of a player anyways and thus can say they didn't talk to the player as long or something along these lines.

Fact is that Bayern never spoke with Dortmund when they bought Götze, they also didn't tell them they would make him a contract offer and Dortmund pretty much did exactly the same with Reus.
 
Gladiator from the newbies asked me if I'd post this to the main thread, so here we go.


I just looked at some recent posts in the Thiago thread in the mains forum. I have done some of my own research regarding Thiago. Here's what people need to know. Thiago has always seen his father as an advisor. Not a legal representative from what I understand but one who in some form acts on his behalf.

The story becomes murky because Mazinho has acted on Thiago's behalf on many occasions. So you would think by default, he is one of Thiago's representatives. He's the one you'll see making all the noise as he did when Thiago was at Barca. Thiago's agent, Pere Guardiola, rarely addresses the media on Thiago-related matters. Rarely. As long as I have been following this story, it's been Mazinho. He's the one who put pressure on Barca when Thiago signed a 4 year deal back in 2011, making comments that Thiago would leave if he didn't get more playing time.

Is Mazinho one of Thiago's representatives? Yes and no. This story isn't clear-cut by any means. Also John Brewin from ESPN said players usually say the club they're joining is the only one they ever really considered. Thiago strangely went the extra mile to say we were never in for him. Hmm, yet his father was in Manchester to talk with the club. It seems like everyone thinks when Thiago said "me or my representative", he was including his father. Maybe he wasn't.

We as fans overly think the story is straight-forward. In the transfer market, they rarely ever are. I can't claim to know everything about this deal but there are some things which don't add up. If Thiago was always going to Bayern, why would he take his time to decide? He said Barca showed no effort and were happy to sell him. Wouldn't that move the process on even faster? All the recent quotes seem to fit a narrative. A narrative from the player's POV that makes it a nice fairytale in the end.
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Thiago's interview with local radio after the transfer was PR at its finest but let it slip that the club did nothing to keep him. Just illustrates what I initially thought, it was never about the WC- he wanted a bumper deal. Also seems clear that Bayern was always the destination and United were pawned.

Mazinho :mad:
 
think in the long run Barca will really miss Thiago

they are spoiled with Xavi, Fabregas, Iniesta but these players are once in a generation players
 
Don't be surprised if Bayern don't win any trophies this year. Things could sour rapidly if Pep's Bundesliga season doesn't start well.
 
Injured his syndesmosis in yesterday's game, has to undergo surgery and is out for around 2 months.
 
We survive, more than enough great midfielders in the team and he hasn't really set the world on fire anyway ;).
 
You just don't turn down Manchester United without paying a price.
 
It's still early, but I am guessing this will be another season that he won't enjoy too much as he would have loved too. His first few performance probably suggested he is still far from being regular in Bayern's first XI, and this injury will probably harm him even more, because Guardiola will probably establish 13-14 players who will be playing almost every match, which isn't really case right now. Good thing for him is that Guardiola appreciate him a lot, so he will probably get more chances than other player who would maybe deserve it more than him.

Just guessing, but I don't see him ending up in Spain's first XI in Brazil.
 
Hope he has trouble fighting his way into the team now and gets left out the WC squad. Then he loses all confidence and will be miserably shit, leading to a transfer to atletico madrid or bilbao.
 
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