I don't understand the Chinese sorry (and sorry again if it's not Chinese), does that show the rate of infection amongst those vaccinated for at least 3 weeks in Chile?
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I don't understand the Chinese sorry (and sorry again if it's not Chinese), does that show the rate of infection amongst those vaccinated for at least 3 weeks in Chile?
So is it fair to say that anyone experiencing blood flow issues from the vaccine would have had the same issues if they had caught Covid?
Good thing I’m on warfarin
Unfortunately not. Could be something else completely going on. I’m still hopeful what happened to those people in Norway had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine (or covid)
I was put on aspirin last August by my GP and referred to vascular dept to investigate more , blood pressure low in my right leg and GP suspects some kind of restriction and may need stent . I am still waiting for appointment due to covid , all this clotting stuff is quite worrying as I am 54 and must be getting close for jab.
This is what happened in Italy and led to the suspension, all from the same batch too. An active duty soldier and a police commando both died soon after taking it.
They have only suspended one batch nationwide but individual regions are starting to suspend the whole lot today.
Probably also about 7-8 million AZ vs 2-3 million Pfizer or at least the majority so statistically better than pfizer.
The reports are worrying about 3 health workers under 50 and those two Italian deaths. I wonder where these batches have been made, we've heard about poor yields in EU based plants.
From Reuters
"The source said Aifa had moved after Stefano Paterno, a 43-year-old navy officer, died earlier this week of a suspected heart attack the day after his jab.
A second man, 50-year-old policeman Davide Villa, died last weekend, some 12 days after his jab. Local newspapers reported he fell ill within 24 hours of his injection and never recovered."
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Good news
I think you're reading too far into it.
I've merely read about some poor yields. The UK data seems to show nothing suspicious, the reports from other European countries are focusing on certain batches. I'm just wondering where these were made. I've actually asked for UK data a few posts ago suspicious of UK possibly withholding data and then found it myself.
I'm not actually in favour of the AZ vaccine so far and would rather see any factory making the AZ vaccine switch if there's any issues or people not wanting it. Your comment is quite bizarre really.
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My comment is bizarre?! You were the one linking manufacturing at “EU based plants” to these adverse events. Which is, being kind, a bit of a stretch.
Say something bizarre, have it questioned, label the one doing questioning bizarre. Good stuff.
To be fair, with small clusters like this it is worth looking into the specific batch. As well as local issues around how the vaccines were stored and administered. What syringes were used etc etc
We’ve no reason to suspect that there are any issues around manufacturing in EU vs anywhere else though.
We’ve no reason to suspect that there are any issues around manufacturing in EU vs anywhere else though.
The German developed and Belgium made vaccine is the one I'd want if I have a choice, there's no vaccine nationalism from me. Mainland Europe and Belgium is a world leader. The AZ poor yields could be down to British overseeing these new factories and could well be manufactured in Britain.
This is a strange story, and a little concerning (edit - I see it's mentioned above in the thread).
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/ge...ath_6ed95d69-0498-4832-a48f-a7df691f5d2c.html
Nightmare, my 78 year old cancer survivor mum is now terrified and insisting on not having it, she was due this week, she has underlying issues relating to blood clotting, she's been on thinners for 20 years.
Not to mention it is quite likely that at least some of those are mere correlation and not causation.
I've been contacted today to book mine in for next Friday. I presume it will be the Oxford/AZ vaccine as I'm sure I read that the Pfizer one will only be given as a second dose to those who have already received it.
I'm only 47 but had a brain haemorrhage (aneurysm) 5 years ago so am apparently high risk for my age.
My mum, dad and sister have all had their first jab already (Pfizer) but myself and my partner haven't. Her mum is refusing and turned hers down. (She's a conspiracy nut, Mormon and complete anti vaxer)
I want the vaccine and feel I should have it especially as I run a pub and until I got the text I was absolutely 100% sure I would have it, but the hesitation of other countries is definitely making me worry a bit.
I'm only 47 but had a brain haemorrhage (aneurysm) 5 years ago so am apparently high risk for my age.
My mum, dad and sister have all had their first jab already (Pfizer) but myself and my partner haven't. Her mum is refusing and turned hers down. (She's a conspiracy nut, Mormon and complete anti vaxer)
I want the vaccine and feel I should have it especially as I run a pub and until I got the text I was absolutely 100% sure I would have it, but the hesitation of other countries is definitely making me worry a bit.
Got the Pfizer jab today. Go back for the second dose in three weeks. 40 years old with no underlying conditions. Roll out is happening fast here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56397157
Netherlands the latest to suspend the AZ vaccine until the end of the month as a precaution
Denmark, Norway, Bulgaria, Iceland and Thailand are the others.
Netherlands the latest to suspend the AZ vaccine until the end of the month as a precaution
Denmark, Norway, Bulgaria, Iceland and Thailand are the others.
Seems to be going much better but still patchy. My son is at Uni in Santa Barbara and he has no idea when he is getting the jab. However, some of his mates are going back home in the next break as they can get one easily in San Francisco.
The risk to your health from getting covid with your previous health issues far outweighs the risk of getting vaccinated. The clot thing won't come to anything I'd guess and will either be an irrelevant correlation (no higher incidence of getting a clot weather vaccinated or not) or such a slight extra risk as to getting vaccinated being the least risk option.
Between Italy Germany and France there are around 25% of people who would refuse the AZ vaccine for another type, and that was before this clotting issue.
I think it will get to a point where a number of EU countries start to drop it. By mid summer there will be more than enough vaccines to go around everybody and the AZ vaccine wont be worth the hassle if people are turning up to appointments and refusing it.
I think it will get to a point where a number of EU countries start to drop it. By mid summer there will be more than enough vaccines to go around everybody and the AZ vaccine wont be worth the hassle if people are turning up to appointments and refusing it.
Yeah, I agree. It's just not the thing you need to hear before it's your turn.
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Quite possibly, and in the meantime, a number of people will have died needlessly.
Vaccine hesitancy will always be a factor, especially in countries where getting vaccinated has until recently not been quite so prevalent. The UK is quite unique in that respect.
The authorities erring on the side of caution and following proper procedures is a good thing, even if it slows the campaign down slightly.
This is irresponsible advice. The facts are unknown.
The facts are that a relatively tiny number of people have got blood clots however it has not been proven to be associated with the vaccine. Those are the facts at the moment.
Are they, though? They're erring on the side of lots off deaths from where we're sitting. They need to have really strong evidence to allow this many needless deaths.
It’s caused enough signal to make multiple countries pause vaccination. It hasn’t been proven that it’s not associated with the vaccine yet either. The right response would be to wait and see what happens, not be so dogmatic that you keep doling out ‘All vaccine good’ advice.
Are these blood clots that have caused deaths? Or how have they known this?
In what respect? Pausing a vaccine to investigate possible side effects? That's how it's supposed to work. Anything else would undermine the entire system.
At least one person has died, yes. Others have been hospitalised. These are serious adverse events. They wouldn’t pause the roll-out for non-serious adverse events.
It’s a tricky one. I do think they’re erring on the side of caution. And people should be reassured by that. It shows that they are monitoring the safety profile carefully and if there’s even a hint of a concern they won’t inject anyone else until it’s fully investigated. That’s a sensible, cautious approach. The worry is that it can have the opposite effect. Instead of feeling reassured it ends up making everyone more nervous. Catch 22.
If there really is something to this safety signal they’re investigating then the needless deaths would be those caused by not pausing the roll-out. Vaccines are held to much higher safety standards than other medicines. They have to be. They’re the only drug you prescribe to people that aren’t sick.
I am scheduled to get vaccinated on 25th March. I have hypothyroidism. Do you think it's safe for me to get vaccinated?
I still don't know what vaccine I get from. Probably Sinovac.
I still don't know what vaccine I get from. Probably Sinovac.
I'm not making any judgement on whether vaccination programmes should be stopped or not - I'm just stating what the current facts are.
Have there been any incidents with the AZ vaccine in the countries that have been rolling it out at the highest rate? I've only heard of it occurring in places that have been painfully slow in administering vaccines on a national level.
This obviously gives rise to multiple far-flung interpretations, and without wanting to delve too deeply into the political incentives certain places have to discredit certain solutions, could someone either clarify/point me towards a viable source for the reasons behind this?
As with many people in the UK, I've had the AZ jab - and know many people who have - and haven't come across anyone whose experienced anything other than a sore arm/24-hour body chills.
It's hard not to be somewhat sceptical of the reaction from certain European countries when they have found themselves seriously lagging compared to other developed states in regards to purchasing/rolling out the vaccine.
This obviously gives rise to multiple far-flung interpretations, and without wanting to delve too deeply into the political incentives certain places have to discredit certain solutions, could someone either clarify/point me towards a viable source for the reasons behind this?
As with many people in the UK, I've had the AZ jab - and know many people who have - and haven't come across anyone whose experienced anything other than a sore arm/24-hour body chills.
It's hard not to be somewhat sceptical of the reaction from certain European countries when they have found themselves seriously lagging compared to other developed states in regards to purchasing/rolling out the vaccine.
It really isn't. There are a handful of reports. So few that you would expect more by random chance. Even if there is an increased risk (which I doubt) getting the vaccine is still a far safer option.
And they will be going again in no time. I'd have it tomorrow without a second through. The comparative risk is so massively less as to make it a no brainer. Plus it protects others which is even more important.