I don't think this accounts for second order effects e.g. people now screening for cancer, heart conditions etc.
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I don't think this accounts for second order effects e.g. people now screening for cancer, heart conditions etc.
That’s pretty close. Any closer and I wouldn’t want it as travel destinations insist on having a certain time between shots, depending on what you have. The longest I’ve seen so far is 14 days
First time I've heard that one, at the moment they seem to think the human immune system can beat everything.
getting my second jab Friday week, it seems a bit quick, it'll only be 2 weeks and 5 days since the first.
Second jab next Weds for me. Can't wait to have full protection, I've still not quite relaxed yet.
Are you able to move yet?
Second jab at 16:05 for me
Pfizer have published preliminary results on longer term efficacy. Over 6 months it drops from 96% to 84% in a fairly linear fashion, with 97% protection against severe disease (albeit from a small sample size). Pretty good results all considered.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
Yeah since Weds it's been ok. Back injuries are cnuts. You're basically a vegetable for a week.
Second jabbed this evening.
If the first shot was anything to go by looking forward to the dead arm and feeling like complete shit tomorrow.
Once that passes I'm away on a tour of every public bathroom in a 50 mile radius I had planned pre covid but had to postpone for obvious reasons.
If the first shot was anything to go by looking forward to the dead arm and feeling like complete shit tomorrow.
Once that passes I'm away on a tour of every public bathroom in a 50 mile radius I had planned pre covid but had to postpone for obvious reasons.
I got the Janssen vaccine, but I'm reading in some places it's the least effective against the new variants. For those following this closer than me, what are the chances of me being required to get another shot in the near future?
Had the second Pfizer jab today. I assume my super powers will evolve in the next few hours?
Ok, I'll ask. Why?
I had mine yesterday at 4pm, bit of a sore arm and a bit more tired than usual last night but no other side effects.
Did you have any problems after the first? Everyone around me kept going on about how ill they felt and I was just standing there being my usual badass self.
I started to think I was feeling a bit wonky a few minutes ago but realised it was probably due to spending ten minutes trying to lure one of the cats out from under the floorboards in our spare room. The daft tit.
fair enoughComing up on 24 hours now since my second shot and the same side effects I experienced after the first one are coming on strong..
Dead arm (to be expected) an extreme exhaustion, feel like I've been on a 3 day bender, no energie for anything, like a junkie nodding out.
Only lasted a day last time so hopefully it'll be the same again.
Dead arm (to be expected) an extreme exhaustion, feel like I've been on a 3 day bender, no energie for anything, like a junkie nodding out.
Only lasted a day last time so hopefully it'll be the same again.
I had the exact same side effects, dead arm lasted a few days, exhaustion only a day or 2.
2ns Pfizer gave me worst ever flu symptoms for 36 hours. Bring on the 3rd booster
And like 9 hours later I'm 70% fine again, arms still a bit sore and still a bit tired, but its 12.26 and I'm still awake.
This afternoon was a rough few hours, same as on the first dose, but hoping to be fine by morning.
Thank feck, because when I'd had side effects after the first shot I was expecting them to be much worse after the second, for now it just looks like a repeat performance.
PHE have updated their hospital stats today. Which means some new charts have appeared:
And
Summarizing: the unvaxxed over 50s are 12x more likely to be hospitalised with covid than the double vaxxed.
For the under 50s, the unvaxxed are 10x more likely to be hospitalised.
Just to add a rider to the under 50 numbers. The first of the under 50s to be fully vaccinated were generally in high risk jobs (hospital and care workers for example) or people with health problems. In other words, the stats are even better than they look, and the vaccines are important to the healthy under 50s as well as the ones who know they have health issues
In Australia's outbreak nobody has been hospitalised who has been fully vaccinated so far.
In the recent Victoria outbreak only 5% of those infected had been fully vaccinated (and some of those may not have been fully vaccinated long enough for full immunity to be reached) and none were hospitalised with most being asymptomatic. Not a big data set but encouraging.
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The message needs to change simply to "the vaccine is working", and despite all the shit the UK is getting because of our awful leaders / Brexit, etc. we are currently the country which offers the best proof of it's effectiveness.
Based on the last wave we should be averaging about 1,000 deaths a day based on case rates 2 weeks ago but we're at 7% of that. I'm sure some of that will be related to the time of year (comparing July vs. Jan) but it's still great news.
The media and scientists need to simplify the message on the vaccine's effectiveness - 10 part detailed Twitter threads with graphs etc. are interesting to those with the patience to read them, but simple soundbites are what are needed to communicate more widely.
I'm hoping the government's message will soon become a bit more clear on the vaccine's effectiveness to encourage people to get it - they seem to still not want to take any chances at the moment and make any bold statements.
Based on the last wave we should be averaging about 1,000 deaths a day based on case rates 2 weeks ago but we're at 7% of that. I'm sure some of that will be related to the time of year (comparing July vs. Jan) but it's still great news.
The media and scientists need to simplify the message on the vaccine's effectiveness - 10 part detailed Twitter threads with graphs etc. are interesting to those with the patience to read them, but simple soundbites are what are needed to communicate more widely.
I'm hoping the government's message will soon become a bit more clear on the vaccine's effectiveness to encourage people to get it - they seem to still not want to take any chances at the moment and make any bold statements.
It's a tough one - because you're fighting fear and emotion and sometimes deliberate lies with numbers. For people comfortable with numbers the idea that (in the UK) most people hospitalised are vaccinated is straightforward (almost everyone in the risk groups are vaccinated, vaccines aren't 100% perfect). If you're not then the headlines are scary. Sometimes the mass media don't help because they deliberately go for the clickbait headline rather than the real story, even when the article behind the headline is fair. Which means people comfortable with numbers end up looking for dozens of different ways to explain how good the vaccine news is.
If people are willing to trust actual experts rather than some nutritional supplement seller on Facebook, the numbers are simple. If you're over 50 you're 12x as likely to end up in hospital if you're unvaccinated. If you're under 50 you're at least 10x as likely to end up in hospital if you're unvaccinated - despite the fact that most "at risk" under 50s were vaccinated months ago.
One for the people who like reading numbers A report on ICU usage since 1st May. More or less all the cases will be Delta variant.
First thing is that on average the ICU cases are younger. The ethnicity stats reflect the pattern for vaccine take-up seen in vaccination reports.
Next one shows some information on the patients themselves and includes the worrying picture that pregnant women are taking up a larger proportion of ICU beds than in previous waves (compared to other women of childbearing age).
Taken from:
Base data at:
https://www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
A report on ICU usage since 1st May. More or less all the cases will be Delta variant.First thing is that on average the ICU cases are younger. The ethnicity stats reflect the pattern for vaccine take-up seen in vaccination reports.
Next one shows some information on the patients themselves and includes the worrying picture that pregnant women are taking up a larger proportion of ICU beds than in previous waves (compared to other women of childbearing age).
Taken from:
Base data at:
https://www.icnarc.org/Our-Audit/Audits/Cmp/Reports
Where you reading this?
I’ve had the same vaccine. We will likely require a booster at some point, but it should give us enough protection for now. It’s been rolled out to healthcare workers in South Africa, and the data is encouraging. Based on everything I’ve read and heard, we’re more likely to get Covid than our Pfizer overlords, but it will most likely be mild.
Who’d have thought, a pigeon trying to get a cat
You misunderstand. I wanted to eat it.
Pfizer and Moderna ramp up EU Covid vaccine prices
https://www.ft.com/content/d415a01e-d065-44a9-bad4-f9235aa04c1a
https://www.ft.com/content/d415a01e-d065-44a9-bad4-f9235aa04c1a
Ahh a cat eating pigeon, who’d have thought
I should mention that I didn't feel any side effects from both doses of Pfizer. Just a bit of a sore left arm, where I was given the injection, but I was back to playing table tennis the day after getting the dose (could've played the same day but doctor advised against it).
Had the second one today, seems the same as last time no real side effects just a dead arm.
i was reading (either here or reddit) that the blood clots associated with the AZ vaccine are overwhelmingly after the first dose rather than the 2nd - so the question is, does that make the AZ vaccine a very good booster candidate for everyone?
Also, do we know if there's been much progress in the development of variant specific vaccines?
Also, do we know if there's been much progress in the development of variant specific vaccines?
Anyone had kidney issues with the Moderna?
I’ve felt like I’ve been hit by a bus today after having the second jab yesterday but the worst bit at the minute is I can’t stop pissing and my kidneys are killing me
I’ve felt like I’ve been hit by a bus today after having the second jab yesterday but the worst bit at the minute is I can’t stop pissing and my kidneys are killing me
@Shez did you say anything? Your reply to me was blank.
I don't think that's common and I know people with kidney disease take the vaccines. I think it's worth having a chat to your GP.
The risk of getting a serious clot from the second shotcare 10% of the risk of thexrisk from the first shot
https://theconversation.com/second-...-blood-clots-safety-risks-and-symptoms-161587
Also worth noting that the overall risk of a serious clot in Australia is the same as getting struck by lightning per year. In my case I'm 57 so getting the vaccine is 57 times less risky than getting AZ.
In terms of new variants Pfizer and Moderna are close to tweaks that will work even better for Delta. I assume even if you had AZ you will be able to get a variant adjusted mRNA shot next year.
Do they know if the first exposure counts as first exposure to any vaccine, or first exposure to a viral vector vaccine like AZ? Either way, I don't think there's much chance of AZ being given any kind of contract by Europe again, and its still not approved in the US.
There are tweaks in the works but Pfizer and Moderna are comfortable their vaccine works against Delta and are thinking about what might come in future.
I've read it on a couple of american news sites.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/health/coronavirus-johnson-vaccine-delta.html
https://www.reuters.com/business/he...-works-well-against-delta-variant-2021-07-02/
As I said, most of the healthcare workers in South Africa have been vaccinated with the J&J vaccine. We're now exiting our third wave, and there has been markedly less cases amongst these cases than the previous waves. This vaccine definitely works. We are all going to need boosters at some point - look at Israel giving third Pfizer doses to 60+ now.
Take it back lethargic and achy the day after quite mild but i can still tell i'm slightly off.
Definitely more potent then the first one.