The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll

[jojojo]

PHE have updated their hospital stats today. Which means some new charts have appeared:



And


Summarizing: the unvaxxed over 50s are 12x more likely to be hospitalised with covid than the double vaxxed.
For the under 50s, the unvaxxed are 10x more likely to be hospitalised.

Just to add a rider to the under 50 numbers. The first of the under 50s to be fully vaccinated were generally in high risk jobs (hospital and care workers for example) or people with health problems. In other words, the stats are even better than they look, and the vaccines are important to the healthy under 50s as well as the ones who know they have health issues

 

[jojojo]

Has this been posted yet? The worrying drop off in vaccine effectiveness in Israel was a stats issue, and the vaccines remain very very good.

That's interesting. I didn't really understand those Israel stats that started circulating. They were early to vaccinate, but it was as if they were seeing efficacy drop off a cliff even though they were only a month or two ahead of the UK.

 

[Penna]

I had my second vaccine yesterday. Pfizer. Had/have a sore arm, like it's been punched, but nothing too concerning or annoying to deal with. Very similar to what I had after my first vaccine. Hoping that this doesn't mean that I'm faulty or anything.

With regards to the talk about the vaccine passports and travel updates (particularly from the EU), it's looking very, very tight. I'm hoping that we get a bit of luck and the UK starts dropping quarantine for double vaccinated EU citizens, for selfish reasons. It looks like it's on a knife-edge...

I've just given up on it tonight, I realised I need to renew my passport so that's being sent back to England tomorrow (new ruling, your passport can't be over 10 years old, even if you have extra months on your passport - mine was supposed to expire next May, but on the 10-year rule it expires in August). Maybe by the time my new one arrives ... Hopefully you'll be able to travel very soon.

 

[Brwned]

The situation in South Korea is a little curious. Clearly had the public’s health infrastructure to manage the pandemic but wasn’t able to utilise it for the vaccination campaign. Only just started to vaccinate over 50s and don’t have the supplies to meet the demand. Meanwhile they’ve hit record case numbers with this variant and jumped in and out of restrictions.

They’re expecting it to ramp up hugely in the next month and hit their target of 70% vaccination by September but it is a little strange how they were so proactive and efficient on so many aspects of pandemic management but not this one.

When South Koreans logged on to a government website this month to book Covid-19 vaccine appointments, a pop-up window told them there was “just a bit” of a delay.

“There are 401,032 people waiting in front of you,” read one of the messages that exasperated South Koreans captured in screenshots and shared online. “Your expected waiting time: 111 hours, 23 minutes and 52 seconds.”

Most people in the country are still waiting for shots.

Once held up as a model in fighting the pandemic, South Korea has stumbled for months with its vaccination program. The country is among the least vaccinated in the Group of 20 nations, with only 34.9 percent of its 52 million people having received at least one dose as of Wednesday, well below the 55 to 70 percent in other advanced nations. And now South Koreans are more desperate than ever for shots.

The country is in the throes of its worst wave of infections, with 1,896 new cases reported on Wednesday, its highest daily count. Critics say that the government, resting on its early success in the pandemic, miscalculated how urgently South Korea needed to secure shots, and that those mistakes are being amplified at a time when the country appears to be most vulnerable against the disease.

 

[11101]

I had my second vaccine yesterday. Pfizer. Had/have a sore arm, like it's been punched, but nothing too concerning or annoying to deal with. Very similar to what I had after my first vaccine. Hoping that this doesn't mean that I'm faulty or anything.

With regards to the talk about the vaccine passports and travel updates (particularly from the EU), it's looking very, very tight. I'm hoping that we get a bit of luck and the UK starts dropping quarantine for double vaccinated EU citizens, for selfish reasons. It looks like it's on a knife-edge...

Not that I'm saying you should run the risk, but apparently Border Force are no longer being asked to check Covid related documentation for travellers.

 

[Lj82]

Ah right, my starting point was all wrong then.

Thanks for that.

I thought this is a useful article to understand vaccine efficacy. I had been thinking about it erroneously before I read it:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...eness-meaning-pfizer-sinovac-moderna-14978556

 

[Shinjch]

I thought this is a useful article to understand vaccine efficacy. I had been thinking about it erroneously before I read it:
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...eness-meaning-pfizer-sinovac-moderna-14978556

Thanks very much, really appreciate it.

 

[massi83]

The situation in South Korea is a little curious. Clearly had the public’s health infrastructure to manage the pandemic but wasn’t able to utilise it for the vaccination campaign. Only just started to vaccinate over 50s and don’t have the supplies to meet the demand. Meanwhile they’ve hit record case numbers with this variant and jumped in and out of restrictions.

They’re expecting it to ramp up hugely in the next month and hit their target of 70% vaccination by September but it is a little strange how they were so proactive and efficient on so many aspects of pandemic management but not this one.

That's one way to look at it. Another would be, that they knew original (and alpha) variant were piss easy to control for a competent country, that they could wait until incompetent Europe and US are vaccinated, and help save thousands of lives there, by not taking finite capacity before needed.

 

[Brwned]

That's one way to look at it. Another would be, that they knew original (and alpha) variant were piss easy to control for a competent country, that they could wait until incompetent Europe and US are vaccinated, and help save thousands of lives there, by not taking finite capacity before needed.

Certainly possible. Obviously they haven’t told their citizens they consciously chose not to purchase supplies early this year just to let other countries more in need get there first. Mostly they’ve said it’s due to unexpected supply shortages. Maybe they’re just hiding those details for political purposes. In any case without any sense of intentionality we can’t really say one way or the other.

 

[massi83]

Certainly possible. Obviously they haven’t told their citizens they consciously chose not to purchase supplies early this year just to let other countries more in need get there first. Mostly they’ve said it’s due to unexpected supply shortages. Maybe they’re just hiding those details for political purposes. In any case without any sense of intentionality we can’t really say one way or the other.

I was maybe 15% serious. But I think the conversation has switched too far to talk about vaccines, at least about how to divide the cake. S Korea has done a lot better than any European country during the whole pandemic. And they still get the vaccines in time before anything really bad happens.

 

[DixieDean]

I had my second vaccine yesterday. Pfizer. Had/have a sore arm, like it's been punched, but nothing too concerning or annoying to deal with. Very similar to what I had after my first vaccine. Hoping that this doesn't mean that I'm faulty or anything.

With regards to the talk about the vaccine passports and travel updates (particularly from the EU), it's looking very, very tight. I'm hoping that we get a bit of luck and the UK starts dropping quarantine for double vaccinated EU citizens, for selfish reasons. It looks like it's on a knife-edge...

I had the same reaction for both jabs. A sore arm and nothing more. The first was worse than 2nd. Worse expecting worse after what I read online.

 

[Superunknown]

I've just given up on it tonight, I realised I need to renew my passport so that's being sent back to England tomorrow (new ruling, your passport can't be over 10 years old, even if you have extra months on your passport - mine was supposed to expire next May, but on the 10-year rule it expires in August). Maybe by the time my new one arrives ... Hopefully you'll be able to travel very soon.

The news today was very positive! Delighted that they're easing the quarantine restrictions, although frustrating that France is still on the Amber + list...for now. I'm hoping that this will change, as my partner's family are going to be driving from Belgium and will need to go through the Eurotunnel in France.

Not that I'm saying you should run the risk, but apparently Border Force are no longer being asked to check Covid related documentation for travellers.

Yeah, not surprised to hear that they're checking. It can't be physically possible to check all of the documents otherwise you'd have queues for days...Still, I'm not really one to risk things, mainly because I feel guilty over minute things, never mind serious stuff!

I've got some questions regarding the testing...
My partner's family are coming from Belgium for our wedding. They are due to arrive on Friday evening, the Wedding will be on the Sunday, and then they'll leave Monday afternoon.

The testing timescales are confusing us a little.
I'm assuming the following:
- test in Belgium when leaving
- test when entering the UK (on or after day 2)
- test when leaving the UK
- test when entering Belgium

(All of this is assuming that France will get put onto the Amber list and moved from the Amber +)

For the test when leaving Belgium, I imagine that we'll look to get the test done on Wednesday, to then have the result by Thursday, ready for travel on Friday. Tuesday will be too soon for it to be a valid test, right?

For the test when entering the UK - I assume we'll do this on Saturday morning? Then get the result on the Sunday or Monday? Tricky thing is that we're leaving Monday...They could well get the result before travelling.

Which leads me to the next bit, I assume that we'll need a test before leaving the UK? Can we use the same test result as above if we do that test on Saturday? Or will it need to be a different test?

We're currently unsure if we need a test when entering Belgium, e.g. when they get home.

The tricky thing is that they are only in the UK from Friday evening to Monday midday, which isn't a long stay. Typically all guidance and advice is for longer stays, there isn't really much to say what to do if you're only here for a stay of this length.

EDIT: Just read this link which says that they can do the test on the Tuesday before leaving Belgium for the UK, which is helpful.

 

[Brophs]

Had my second Pfizer jab today. No side effects, other than not being there when the broadband installer pissed off and didn't install my broadband. Might report it to some of the medical journals.

 

[Klopper76]

Had my second Pfizer jab today. No side effects, other than not being there when the broadband installer pissed off and didn't install my broadband. Might report it to some of the medical journals.

Had my second dose of Pfizer yesterday and feeling run down today. I felt the same way after the first shot but it went away after a day.

My fiancé has been completely fine both times.

 

[711]

The number of daily vaccinations in the UK seems to be falling if anything, does anyone know if this is due to lack of supply, or lack of demand? I'd have guessed that production would have increased over time but maybe I'm wrong on that.

 

[Bosws87]

The number of daily vaccinations in the UK seems to be falling if anything, does anyone know if this is due to lack of supply, or lack of demand? I'd have guessed that production would have increased over time but maybe I'm wrong on that.

Demand.

Getting down to the lunatics, anti vaxxers and the easily manipulated, which is why the push for vaccine passports is coming strong for big events to try and force the hand of some of these people.

 

[jojojo]

The number of daily vaccinations in the UK seems to be falling if anything, does anyone know if this is due to lack of supply, or lack of demand? I'd have guessed that production would have increased over time but maybe I'm wrong on that.

Demand has dropped, and things like the walk up centres haven't been able to build demand up again.

One element is that if you test positive for covid, you can't have a vaccine for a month. That basically has taken at least 1/2 million people out of the queue.

The other factor is that you're now into the groups who don't see the point - because they're young and healthy, or they've had covid already - so any discussion of side-effects (however mild) puts them off and any inconvenience in terms of location/timing is enough to delay it. Then they're the people who are actually antivax or who have been scared (or made overconfident) by the antivax lobby.

 

[711]

Demand has dropped, and things like the walk up centres haven't been able to build demand up again.

One element is that if you test positive for covid, you can't have a vaccine for a month. That basically has taken at least 1/2 million people out of the queue.

The other factor is that you're now into the groups who don't see the point - because they're young and healthy, or they've had covid already - so any discussion of side-effects (however mild) puts them off and any inconvenience in terms of location/timing is enough to delay it. Then they're the people who are actually antivax or who have been scared (or made overconfident) by the antivax lobby.

Half a million is a chunk I suppose, but it's still a bit on the depressing side. And I believe the UK's more vaccine-keen than a lot of other countries as well. Thanks, it's not been discussed much, or likely I've missed it if it has.

 

[F-Red]

The number of daily vaccinations in the UK seems to be falling if anything, does anyone know if this is due to lack of supply, or lack of demand? I'd have guessed that production would have increased over time but maybe I'm wrong on that.

I think we're reaching the total point, 88.3% of adults with a first jab, which will translate to a second jab in 8 weeks or so. So you'll naturally have a lag between those doses, and the first dose rate will drop considerably. I personally didn't expect we would get to that high a figure of first jabs originally, and it'd be somewhere around the mid-70s.

 

[jojojo]

Half a million is a chunk I suppose, but it's still a bit on the depressing side. And I believe the UK's more vaccine-keen than a lot of other countries as well. Thanks, it's not been discussed much, or likely I've missed it if it has.

It was supply limited, but not now. You can get an idea from this graph:



It looks like we stopped being supply limited at the start of July, but we're now into the tricky bit of the rollout. Some will have decided not to get vaccinated, but others may just need more encouragement/reassurance, or better access etc.

From a hospitalisations/deaths perspective - it's the unvaxxed over 40s that are the worry. From an infection management perspective it's a matter of convincing as many people as possible that for their own sake and for the sake of people around them, getting vaccinated is a good thing. Wales has done over 90% of adults which is impressive by any standard - the rest of the UK may get there as well, sometime during the summer.

 

[711]

That's a good clear graph thanks. I guess the proportion of school age children that have had covid must be quite high too. We might not have turned the corner yet, just have lower testing, but we can't be far off, hopefully.

 

[Penna]

Demand has dropped, and things like the walk up centres haven't been able to build demand up again.

One element is that if you test positive for covid, you can't have a vaccine for a month. That basically has taken at least 1/2 million people out of the queue.

The other factor is that you're now into the groups who don't see the point - because they're young and healthy, or they've had covid already - so any discussion of side-effects (however mild) puts them off and any inconvenience in terms of location/timing is enough to delay it. Then they're the people who are actually antivax or who have been scared (or made overconfident) by the antivax lobby.

Our friend here had his second jab this week - even with an appointment he was there for 4 hours! Must be the Green Pass effect, as seen in France.

 

[Dante]

Demand has dropped, and things like the walk up centres haven't been able to build demand up again.

One element is that if you test positive for covid, you can't have a vaccine for a month. That basically has taken at least 1/2 million people out of the queue.

The other factor is that you're now into the groups who don't see the point - because they're young and healthy, or they've had covid already - so any discussion of side-effects (however mild) puts them off and any inconvenience in terms of location/timing is enough to delay it. Then they're the people who are actually antivax or who have been scared (or made overconfident) by the antivax lobby.

I'm already 4 weeks post-double jab on AZ.

If I went to one of the walk-ins late in the day and asked for a Pfizer since I'm under 40, what do you reckon? I'm guessing a triple jab across different manufacturers will make me invulnerable. Might have to give a fake name, though.

 

[jojojo]

I'm already 4 weeks post-double jab on AZ.

If I went to one of the walk-ins late in the day and asked for a Pfizer since I'm under 40, what do you reckon? I'm guessing a triple jab across different manufacturers will make me invulnerable. Might have to give a fake name, though.

Yep, you would need a fake name and to go to one of the special "no ID needed" walk ins - unless you do an identity theft on an unvaxxed friend/enemy who's registered with a GP (you need to know their full name, DoB, address, NHS number). You will also need to lie to the staff about previous jabs as well as about your name etc...

If successful, the odds are that you'll get some pretty miserable side-effects and will not become invulnerable

 

[Dante]

Yep, you would need a fake name and to go to one of the special "no ID needed" walk ins - unless you do an identity theft on an unvaxxed friend/enemy who's registered with a GP (you need to know their full name, DoB, address, NHS number). You will also need to lie to the staff about previous jabs as well as about your name etc...

If successful, the odds are that you'll get some pretty miserable side-effects and will not become invulnerable

Thanks. Your post will play a prominent part in my origin story towards becoming a super villain.

 

[jojojo]

Thanks. Your post will play a prominent part in my origin story towards becoming a super villain.

Plan.

 

[Abizzz]

Had my 2nd moderna shot yesterday and had no problems at all until this morning. Right now my head is killing me. It's like lightning striking every couple of seconds. Struggling to put this together and can't even go through the motions of work. How long does this last?

 

[11101]

Had my 2nd moderna shot yesterday and had no problems at all until this morning. Right now my head is killing me. It's like lightning striking every couple of seconds. Struggling to put this together and can't even go through the motions of work. How long does this last?

It varies. It came on 12 hours after the jab for me and lasted about 8 hours, but for my wife it started a few hours later and she was out of action for 2 or 3 days. A friend who got it the same day as us felt like shit for over a week.

 

[Dante]

Had my 2nd moderna shot yesterday and had no problems at all until this morning. Right now my head is killing me. It's like lightning striking every couple of seconds. Struggling to put this together and can't even go through the motions of work. How long does this last?

Mine lasts from 9am to 5pm with an hour break at 1pm.

 

[Abizzz]

It varies. It came on 12 hours after the jab for me and lasted about 8 hours, but for my wife it started a few hours later and she was out of action for 2 or 3 days. A friend who got it the same day as us felt like shit for over a week.

Thanks! Still feel a bit under the weather but my head already feels a lot better than it did this morning. Hoping the pain doesn't come back.

Mine lasts from 9am to 5pm with an hour break at 1pm.

That's sad.

 

[Berbasbullet]

What is it with the nut jobs and this virus? Had someone I know tell me how this is the first steps to becoming China.

 

[christy87]

What is it with the nut jobs and this virus? Had someone I know tell me how this is the first steps to becoming China.

First time I've heard that one, at the moment they seem to think the human immune system can beat everything.

getting my second jab Friday week, it seems a bit quick, it'll only be 2 weeks and 5 days since the first.

 

[Berbasbullet]

First time I've heard that one, at the moment they seem to think the human immune system can beat everything.

getting my second jab Friday week, it seems a bit quick, it'll only be 2 weeks and 5 days since the first.

Stoner dude is my answer

How’d you manage that? I got mine in two weeks and had my first mid June.

 

[christy87]

Stoner dude is my answer

How’d you manage that? I got mine in two weeks and had my first mid June.

One of the lads in work for his first 3 days better me for his text yesterday for next Wednesday, I got mine today for next Thursday not Friday,. I'm in Ireland so we must be just banging them out it's the Pfizer one

 

[Big-Red]

@christy87

Second dose scheduled for the 5th
Had my first on the 18th

18 day gap.

 

[jojojo]

The PHE surveillance reports are out:
https://www.gov.uk/government/stati...d-19-surveillance-reports-2021-to-2022-season
Those are the ones that give breakdowns on what's happening around the country/age groups in terms of infections etc.

There's also a new edition of the vaccine report:


Includes the latest stats on efficacy against Delta and the calculations on lives saved* by the vaccines in England.

*Which might not be a totally fair calculation, because of course if the vaccines weren't doing their thing of reducing hospitalisations and deaths, we might be in another lockdown instead.

 

[zing]

Had my second dose of the AZ vaccine. Feel off - feverish - 36 hours later -- is that too long a gap for a side effect to be attributable to the vaccine?

 

[christy87]

@christy87

Second dose scheduled for the 5th
Had my first on the 18th

18 day gap.

Exact same, we must of got more in stock or there rushing the 2nd one out to try and curtail the delta wave

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

I had my second more than two weeks ago and I am glad I did.
We have been in Italy for the past 3 days going to our next holiday location in Austria today and I would be worried if I weren’t vaccinated. Masses of people and nobody really cares. In Austria the situation is that most adults who wanted should have been able to get at least their first dose.

 

[Snowjoe]

Had my second dose of the AZ vaccine. Feel off - feverish - 36 hours later -- is that too long a gap for a side effect to be attributable to the vaccine?

Nah don’t worry, I felt awful between 12-24 hours after the jab and then still not 100% right for a couple of days after