The vaccines sounds like an indie band yovue never heard of.
The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll
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Getting my 2nd moderna on Monday.
Everyone wears their t-shirts yet they've never listened to any of their songs
Never heard of them
I dunno about indie, Covid and the Vaccines has quite an old school ring to it.
Heading into the Aviva for my first bash of Pfizer now. Absolutely scorching outside and I presume I'll spend the next 2 hours queueing.
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Seen it's kicking off following the SCMP article about that, with the usual America v China undertones.
My second one was supposed to be 31st July but I've managed to move it to tomorrow as they had a cancellation.
They were decent for a while. Wetsuit and Norgaard I remember quite well.
It's a difficult one for me. I suppose it doesn't surprise me but I do blame them. Putting national interests front and centre is a normal thing, and in some ways a healthy thing, but it comes with a lot of nasty consequences. It seems likely that immunosuppressed people will benefit from the booster, but given the evidence is pretty slim so far, it's potentially very wasteful.
Personally I couldn't stand by a decision to offer booster shots in the UK (or anywhere else) when the situation globally is so precarious. I just can't relate to that sense of prioritisation.
Can't really blame them, I felt the same way about below 50s being vaccinated in rich countries before frontline healthcare workers in the poor ones. Where do you draw this arbitrary line? It's pretty obvious it's a case of the rich countries first in however they see fit and feck the rest.
Some more real world evidence from Italy on the vaccines' ability to stop the virus.
Over the last 2 weeks 772 unvaccinated have been admitted to hospital against 80 fully vaccinated and 89 partially vaccinated. 80 unvaccinated are in intensive care vs. 4 and 10. 169 dead vs 17 and 29. Also worth noting the vaccinated deaths were in extreme age groups of 80+. For the unvaccinated the worst impact is on the 40-80 age groups.
In Italian only, page 31:
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/corona...eglianza-integrata-COVID-19_7-luglio-2021.pdf
Over the last 2 weeks 772 unvaccinated have been admitted to hospital against 80 fully vaccinated and 89 partially vaccinated. 80 unvaccinated are in intensive care vs. 4 and 10. 169 dead vs 17 and 29. Also worth noting the vaccinated deaths were in extreme age groups of 80+. For the unvaccinated the worst impact is on the 40-80 age groups.
In Italian only, page 31:
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/corona...eglianza-integrata-COVID-19_7-luglio-2021.pdf
Yeah, I’m very sympathetic to that view-point. I’m just not sure it’s as simple as wealthy country A deciding to order fewer vaccines translating to country B injecting more of its citizens. There are probably much more efficient ways for the likes of Israel to support third world vaccine roll-out if that’s the way they choose to spend their money.
Agree with you both, there’s no easy answer to where you draw that arbitrary line nor how best to distribute the vaccines in a global framework while operating as nation states. All I know is that it doesn’t make any sense to me that I got vaccinated months, maybe years, before healthcare workers, vulnerable populations etc. in other countries. And I definitely wouldn’t want to double down on that with boosters.
Going for my second shot on Saturday evening. Not sure what it's gonna be. I've heard they are giving Moderna for second doses. I had Pfizer for the first one back in June.
Maybe AZ has advantages...
The twitter thread is talking about this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-00969-3
No, I don't understand all the info in the article, but if Chise says it's a good thing, I believe them.
The twitter thread is talking about this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-00969-3
No, I don't understand all the info in the article, but if Chise says it's a good thing, I believe them.
The vaccine centre wasn't open when I went yesterday so I had it this morning. Pleased to report that the experience was far more positive than last time as the place wasn't busy enough for there to be the same problems. I decided beforehand I'd wait outside for the 15mins after but for some reason (I just wasn't thinking straight because I was so happy at how everything was going) I ended up sitting in the hall for 2mins before remembering what I planned to do and spent the remaining 13 outside.
One little thing - I just wish some people wouldn't stand so close in the queue to the place. It's the same with every queue I've ever been in. Shuffling as close as you can to the person in front of you is not going to make it go faster, dickhead.
Really? I’ve never noticed Chise do anything other than desperately look on the bright side of everything. So if Chise says it’s a good thing then that’s usually just Chise being Chise.
It’s an interesting paper but the vector vaccine is given IV in the study, which is obviously significantly different to the IM admin of the covid vaccine when it comes to concentration in the lungs (which seems to be the location for the immune response they’re getting excited about) I also can’t work out if the response is to the antigen being presented of the adenovirus vector itself. Seems like it might be the latter?
Sometimes I want to believe in good news stories
I admit when I read the story I couldn't really see how it all added up, and what the implications would be for the vaccinated. The pessimist bit of my brain thought that it would mean a booster jab using the same adenovirus would get wiped out. The optimist bit likes the idea of a spike antibody factory. I voted for good news.
Sometimes I want to believe in good news stories
I admit when I read the story I couldn't really see how it all added up, and what the implications would be for the vaccinated. The pessimist bit of my brain thought that it would mean a booster jab using the same adenovirus would get wiped out. The optimist bit likes the idea of a spike antibody factory. I voted for good news.
Fair enough. That’s a good strategy for mental health. I need to do more of that myself.Finally getting my vaccine on the 21st. Can't wait to get this over with. There giving me Pfizer-Biontech
Just got my second jab today, both pfizer. Again, no immediate effects, but fully expecting an aching arm tonight, so brought some food home. The nurse I chatted with seemed to believe that a third booster shot will be inevitable in the future, because of the variants.
6 hours later, arm hurts, some muscle and joint aches, possibly a slight fever. I'm also really tired but it's 1am and I had a double glass of rum and a fair bit of THC.
24 hours on. Arm hurts a bit. Legs aching too. Basically just don't want to get off the sofa. It's far better than what I was expecting having read some of the experiences from other posters here.
Just got the 2nd Pfizer. Nobody I know had any side effects at all so hoping I'm not the first.
feck you Moderna, I still feel like crap..
Only just got over my second Pfizer shot today over a full week later. Had a temperature and general fatigue for a good 7 days along with on and off headaches and muscle pains. It was bad enough that I went to a drive through test centre in case I’d unluckily caught the real thing. Can’t go back to work until my PCR is negative though!
I had my second Pfizer yesterday morning. It was 9am, but the heat really made it uncomfortable. Got through it feeling only slightly panicked, with my needle phobia, but didn't black out, as I feared given the conditions. Definitely not as positive an experience as my first one. After 12 months of it looming on the horizon and worrying about how I'd react, I was ecstatic after the first going so well.
Anyway, it's a day and a half on now. I think I feel fine. Woke up with ringing in the ears, but my arm didn't hurt half as much as the first time. Ringing didn't last long, and I feel more grumpy than usual, but that may just be the heat. Feel pretty lucky.
Anyway, it's a day and a half on now. I think I feel fine. Woke up with ringing in the ears, but my arm didn't hurt half as much as the first time. Ringing didn't last long, and I feel more grumpy than usual, but that may just be the heat. Feel pretty lucky.
To be honest, all of us who are living in highly vaccinated countries should be feeling lucky.
Definitely.
Got my first jab today the phizer riser, ok bar the arm feeling like someone has given it a few punches, as someone who hates needle's I usually look away, didn't even feel it, was wondering did I actually get jabbed for a while, definitely an easier injection than B12s.
Anyone had luck reducing their second jab to below the 8 week gap in the UK? I keep seeing conflicting info about the walk in clinics.
Had my second jab last week - job done
It depends where you live and it more or less changes daily at some of the walk ins.
You can get an idea on a day to day basis from:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GetJabbed/
Outside the big cities, your local health authority site may give you a better idea though. Sometimes it's literally a case of "today we can" because they're approaching the end of a batch or they've had lots of bookings cancelled and jabs ready.
In principle though national guidance still says:
Second doses are offered at 8+ weeks after the first dose. Patients may be offered their second vaccine earlier but only to avoid wastage or because of a specific medical condition
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57874402
What a surprise that Kensington has one of the lowest uptake of vaccinations.
If I am wrong to distrust Big Pharma and the government and everything about this pandemic is genuine, surely I will be in hospital this winter with Covid, right? I cannot say I've never had Covid because I might have caught it without having any symptoms, but I can say that I haven't been ill since I had a cold in late 2018/early 2019. Is this just luck? Is my luck about to run out? If I carry on exactly as I have done for the past 18 months, avoiding tests, avoiding jabs and avoiding the media, will I finally get Covid this winter? What happens if I don't? Is it just more good luck? If I finally get Covid with symptoms and die this winter, that's the end of it, my immune system failed and I'm dead. If I finally get Covid with symptoms this winter, but don't die and I instead recover, it means my immune system prevailed and I would then have natural immunity. In order for me to ever entertain the idea of having a vaccine I would have to trust Big Pharma and the government more than I trust my own immune system. Is that likely to ever happen? It's possible that I could get Covid and die from Covid. That is true. However, I cannot die from any side effect from the vaccine and I cannot be damaged by any side effect of the vaccine if I never have the vaccine. It may be true that the side effects are extremely rare and so the risk is very low, but no risk is better than low risk. At the moment I can only die from getting Covid, in theory. If I get vaccine, I can die from Covid and/or the vaccine. You say the vaccine lowers the risk from Covid because they say the vaccine lowers the risk from Covid. They are Big Pharma. They are the government. You don't know anything, you simply trust. I don't know anything, I simply don't trust. Everything boils down to trust. You all trust, I do not. Time will tell whether it was right to trust or not.
Ever heard of paragraphs?