Yeah it makes no sense. It seems people are just getting sucked into the propaganda.
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Yeah it makes no sense. It seems people are just getting sucked into the propaganda.
The irony.
I love the AZ row because you can tell which poster is going to say what 
Those doses were just resting in the warehouse
The irony here
This stockpile has been building since the beginning of February when the shipments stopped leaving the factory. It's not one shipment that's just been seized. It's 16m over the last 2 months.
Nobody has said exactly what numbers were going where, AZ are not talking, but ministers have said the shipments from that factory before February all went to the UK so they assume that's where these were going too.
Are those doses the ones Andrew Marr was referring to the other morning? The ones that for some unknown reason the EU aren't getting out to their citizens?
No, those are the doses that are reserved for second jabs. Not sure about the rest of Europe but Italy was keeping 30% of supply aside for that and has now reduced it to 2%.
That aren't stocking up for second jabs before getting the first ones in are they?!
That policy was in place when supplies were uncertain. We needed to make sure anybody who had the first jab would be able to get the second dose within the correct timeframe. Now supplies are more reliable it has been relaxed.
We didn't just chance it like the UK
That policy was in place when supplies were uncertain. We needed to make sure anybody who had the first jab would be able to get the second dose within the correct timeframe. Now supplies are more reliable it has been relaxed.
We didn't just chance it like the UK
I had no idea that's what you have been doing. Jesus. Just get it out to people ASAP. The UK may have chanced it a bit but having the balls has paid off massively by the looks of it.
WTF is going on? 16 million doses have been sitting in a warehouse for two months when they could be going into arms? That’s fecking infuriating. Why aren’t they being released?
I agree, now. Back in January I wouldn't have. Europe has been taking the most cautious approach to vaccination and in Italy my provinces' biggest concern is finding a new vaccination centre because some regional bureaucrat visited the old one and said it wasn't pretty enough.
Nobody knows. AZ aren't saying. At least it will sort out the European supply for a few weeks though.
Please tell me they’re going back into circulation now?
Whether the EU have the AZ vaccines or not, will there be the required public uptake if offered?
Having the doses is one thing, but it's sort of redundant if people are too petrified to take it. Speaking with colleagues based in Bulgaria where there was a tiny AZ vaccine roll-out (literally around 50 over-60s) and the vast majority apparently refused to take it when they found out which vaccine they'd be receiving. Of course this is hearsay to an extent, but it appears to be in-line with a lot of recent public opinion polls towards AZ from across the continent.
Having the doses is one thing, but it's sort of redundant if people are too petrified to take it. Speaking with colleagues based in Bulgaria where there was a tiny AZ vaccine roll-out (literally around 50 over-60s) and the vast majority apparently refused to take it when they found out which vaccine they'd be receiving. Of course this is hearsay to an extent, but it appears to be in-line with a lot of recent public opinion polls towards AZ from across the continent.
AZ press releases on their efficacy and EU buffoonery in getting people jabbed will be my two side stories for my grandkids if I'm alive for another few decades.
It's like AZ and the EU are just trolling us for the craic.
please tell me that’s not true
we’ve just put tents up in a local fire station
They were building a big tent on some wasteland near the railway station. Apparently it was 'disgusting' and said bureaucrat called up a lakefront villa and we will now all be going there instead.
Welcome to Italy
Well AZ is trying to pretend they were intended for Europe all along! So i assume they will be back in circulation pretty shortly.
Those 30m vaccines would be taken as soon as they could be got. The majority of places are gagging for vaccines.
Saying that the AZ does seem to be the Wish of vaccines.
They were building a big tent on some wasteland near the railway station. Apparently it was 'disgusting' and said bureaucrat called up a lakefront villa and we will now all be going there instead.
Welcome to Italy
Jesus wept
Has anyone taken the Moderna Vaccine?
Is it 2 doses too and any side effects please?
Is it 2 doses too and any side effects please?
I did this for years...neglecting to take my preventor inhaler and just using my blue one. Always thought I had pretty mild asthma because I was physically fit and the blue one seemed to 'control it' fine.
Then one day it didn't.
I started wheezing just while lying down watching a movie with my Mum. Took my blue inhaler, nothing happened. Took more and more puffs but I just kept getting worse. Eventually I realised it was getting serious; I felt the classic 'sense of impending doom', I was literally gasping for breath but it wasn't coming...told my Mum to call an ambulance and that was the last thing I remember. Apparently I collapsed seconds later.
Ended up in ICU/HDU for nearly two weeks. Was on the verge of getting ventilated when I first went in, due to how high my carbon dioxide levels were, how low my oxygen levels were (mid 70s) and the fear of brain damage/death that comes with those.
When I eventually recovered they termed it a 'Near Fatal Asthma Attack' - and told me it was entirely down to me not using my preventor inhaler. One doctor was really scathing...said how irresponsible it was to come a coin toss away from death, leaving my family behind, because of something that takes 30 seconds a day.
Since then I've literally never missed a dose. I know I probably read stories exactly like this and ignored them, thinking it wouldn't happen to me, but you should really press your girlfriend to make it a priority to take her preventor.
Well that’s terrifying! She’s not had the brown one for years tbf. Only since the pandemic she got her inhalers renewed just in case as early on we didn’t really know too much. I don’t think she has actually been explicitly told to use the brown one regularly but I’ll have to check.
My Mrs has, 3 days of feeling very ropey
Had my second dose of Pfizer today around 4:20pm, feeling a bit dodgy at the moment, but i've heard that the second dose can be pretty bad side effects wise.
My wife has had her 1st of 2 shots a couple of weeks back. No side effects.
Her 2nd shot is due on April 7th, 4 weeks after the 1st so I'll know more then.
Her Da, who's 86, was a bit tired after his 2nd Moderna shot - but he's 86.....other than that nothing.
I had the first dose 3 weeks ago. My arm was very sore the second day but got better over the next few days. Other than that, I felt a little achy and slight chills around bedtime the second day. Nothing substantial though. The second dose is typically where the immune response is more noticeable. Most of my family had Moderna and only had headache, aches, chills, or other symptoms for about 12-24 hours (to be clear, each person had one or two of the symptoms, not all).
All my mates the same age have been vaccinated in the UK, I don't expect mine any time soon. Mainland Europe is a disgraceful shitshow.
Going very slow here also. Johnson&Johnson also not delivering as promised now.
Does anyone understand the EU-AstraZeneca controversy? I have no idea what's even true anymore.
Seconded.
A dumbed down version by any of the more knowledgeable regulars in here would be much appreciated.
The short/simple version is that AZ argue that they are more obliged to fulfil their contractual commitments to the UK than they are to the EU, because of differences in the detail of those two contracts (a detail that has not yet been tested in court, which makes me assume the EU doesn’t have a leg to stand on).
Having subsequently met almost all of its commitments to the UK but a tiny fraction of what AZ promised to the EU this has pissed off the latter. Who have subsequently made vague threats about limiting the export of any vaccines out of the EU so long as this perceived injustice continues.
Thanks @Pogue Mahone, AZ does seem like it’s had issues with every part of the vaccine process bar the actual vaccine itself, which appears to work great.
Suppose it’s better that way round than the reverse.
Utterly.
Testing negative just means your viral load hasn't hit a certain level yet and not that you aren't infected and if you are you are of course very infectious on average.
There is already data that shows transmisson is reduced once vaccinated/post infection, that T-cells are being created and antibodies or T-cells are being detected many months after natural infection and that will be increasing constantly. Obviously we will be filling out the detail as vaccines roll out but if I were to guess where the figures will fall I'd say 75%+ reduction in transmissibility, 85%+ reductions in hospitalisation/ICU/Serious disease and that boosters either won't be needed or will only have to be every 3-5 years. Obviously I'm guessing the specifics of that and it will vary from vaccine to vaccine and again once we target the variants, but what data we have is largely encouraging. It will be interesting to see how my guesstimates compare to the real data this time next year.
I'm realising how much stats have leaked out of my brain.
From (long term) memory significance level is a test of the data where 95% = 5% chance that the null hypothesis is true, confidence level is the probability that if the test was repeated again and again the results would be the same and confidence intervals being a range within which a result would be expected to fall in 95% of the time and constructed from significance level (or perhaps confidence level or both/either - I forget the details). All closely related yet different. I suspect I've been conflating one or more at times.
That’s a big - and very important - factor that is completely unknown. We know for a fact that people are getting reinfected 6-12 months down the road (sometimes sooner) so it seems wildly optimistic to assume that a vaccine would give 4 to 5 years protection.
It will all become clear eventually but for the next year or two there’s no way we can be that confident about duration of protection.To assume that someone getting on a plane one year after being vaccinated is definitely immune you’re basically tossing a coin. In my opinion the real value of these passports is in the very early stages of reopening. The next six months or so. After that we’ll have to work on the assumption that the virus will be crossing borders on a regular basis regardless and we’ll have to mitigate that risk by making sure as much of the world as possible is vaccinated.