Personally I don't believe the establishment dems (clintons, obamas, pelosi etc...) will ever relinquish any power to someone like Bernie, who wants to fix the system. They don't want to fix it, they want to keep it exactly as it is.
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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Personally I don't believe the establishment dems (clintons, obamas, pelosi etc...) will ever relinquish any power to someone like Bernie, who wants to fix the system. They don't want to fix it, they want to keep it exactly as it is.
Didn't his rise in the GOP begin with him promoting birtherism against Barack Obama?
Same here. It's been depressing.
I do think there is some false equivalency however. Dems are often held to a higher standard and you can't tell me that Rs, especially not Trump have fixed things, other than fixing it to benefit themselves the most. Unless of course record numbers of indictments, corruption and ethics investigations, massively adding to the national debt, stripping regulatory and legislative protections for the vulnerable, adding dark money and using off the books or questionable contractors (Iraq, the wall, etc), as well as add non sense departments to the system is someone s idea of fixing things.
Is there even anyone like Bernie? I fear when he is gone, there won't be anyone left to carry the torch. I liked Katie Porter, but she didn't really stand a chance at getting a foothold in the party.
oh yeah 100%, I'm not suggesting the Rs are any better. I'm left of the dems and I hold them to a higher standard because I've given up all hope of the GOP, to be frank..
Not that I'm aware of, but I don't follow it that closely. Bernie was such a great opportunity to create/build a movement, such a shame he's too old for it now. When he lost that 2016 primary I lost a lot of hope in politics. They had a chance to defeat Trump/MAGA there and then but they chose fecking Hillary instead.
I think that ship has sailed for now. The US could do with adding at least two more parties with the Bernie's of the world being part of possible majority parliamentary decision making but clearly we won't see that happening anytime soon. When I think of any name that's been on the rise or I can see being on the rise I consider them all to be more moderates once you detach them from the LGBTQ or sustainability train. I think even someone like AOC has moved considerably more to the center.
Very fair. And I'm with you. Unfortunately I also think we re in a world now where we have to lower our own standards and expectations. The firmly progressive experiment seems to have run its course. At least for now. Perhaps the way of the world is that most people actually like autocrats and representative democracy itself is on the chopping block. Throughout human history we probably have been under autocratic rule way more than anything else. I just hoped - and still do- that people are able to educate themselves more than they did in all the other times in history. Especially in the West. But clearly that has been weaponized to go the other way.
Sorry but Bernie wouldn't have beaten Trump/MAGA in 2016, he's too left-wing for the American public at large, in Europe he'd be considered a centrist edging to the left, in the US he's seen as a Socialist or outright Communist
"May" elevate? They make it sound like it was ever in doubt he would do exactly that.
I understand that, but I disagree. By the way, in the UK and a few other european countries he'd be labelled a commie too.
But Hillary was a uniquely disliked candidate. She is textbook establishment and Trump was positioning as anti-establishment. A perfect candidate for Trump to pull apart.
And people loved Bernie, who wasn't seen as establishment therefore disarming the MAGA weaponry. 2016 was a slightly different time also, including in regards to how the public viewed Bernie. We'll never know, but if the DNC had actually backed him and funded him, he'd have given Trump a much better race IMO.
Gorka? Thought we were finally rid of that devious clown. Ffs
What post is this guy going to get (he has to be jonesing for one):
What post is this guy going to get (he has to be jonesing for one):
National Pillow War Secretary
All the idiots who’ve no idea how tariffs work and don’t care would’ve suddenly started demanding full details on how Bernie intends to pay for his initiatives that’ll benefit them. Fox would’ve seen to that.
Re: Sanders isn't a member of the Democratic party, why would the DNC back him over one of their own?
Sure a lot of people loved him, but even more hated him, if you want someone to blame for Trump then James Comey is your man, for all that was disliked about Clinton she would almost certainly have won in 2016 had he not broken the protocols he weas supposed to have followed, her winning would have meant no Biden either!
well I was hoping to win the election instead of Trump
anyway, doesn't matter, I'm staunchly remaining in my position of blaming Hillary and the dems for the 2016 defeat, sorry!
If you went to film and tv companies, trying to pitch a script for a crossover show blending Idiocracy and the Handmaids Tale. you would get laughed out of the room by every single one.
Yet here we are in actual real life.
Yet here we are in actual real life.
great news for maoists-third worldists
Aye. No wonder the onion basically got out of a job during his first term. And yet everyone who paid but a bit of attention the first time around or any of the years since should have totally seen this coming. But I also have come to realize many Dem voters and highly educated folks as well are just as guilty of being completely ignorant of the world around them. Id argue this country better than others celebrates willful ignorance.
It's not even up for debate.
did you doubt the plan? (i did doubt it and still do but this is the kind of stuff that might actually make it happen)
Gaetz, Gabbard, RFK JR, Hegseth, Huckabee etc etc etc, what a time to live in.
Pivot, anyone?
RFK health sec. Jesus Christ.
Bloke had a literal worm in his brain.
Bloke had a literal worm in his brain.
Can that dude abolish all vaccines ?
Waiting for Putin to be appointed to an adviser role next
4 years from now, every brain in America will be powered by worm.
But project 2025 is laughable, remember guys?
I think they are called the illithid.
You spelled Goa'uld wrong.
Well that stinks. Sooner or later someone with the similar goals as Trump and those behind him will take power. Someone named John Smith with Vivek's talents could eventually win and consolidate power in a way Trump doesn't even have desire to, let alone having a capability.
I know I am not speaking for myself only: Many Americans are sick of polished politicians and would rather things burn than go with a safe choice. DNC has a next move and they better make a winning move.
Obama won on a "change" campaign and the main change was introducing universal healthcare. Michael Moore's "Sicko" was one of the most popular documentaries during that time. America was ready to go left and to continue to go left. DNC is and was a showstopper, not a reactionary effort from the right.
RFK 
It actually is going to be much worse than his first term, isn’t it?
It actually is going to be much worse than his first term, isn’t it?Surely the Republicans have to look at some of these appointments and think "it's going a bit too far now"