The Trump Presidency - Part 2

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And what exactly are they feeding this AI model? Any mention of 'Free Palestine', 'occupation', 'genocide' or watermelon emojis as the triggers? I also take it that it's impossible to be critical of Israel without being labeled an antisemite or pro-Hamas.

Freedom of Speech absolutists :lol:
 
The right has literally never been about free speech. Maybe the Ron Paul right, but he's never represented "the right". Conservatives have always, since day 1, been reactionary-adjacent (or outright reactionary).
 
Mike Smalling said:
How about actually addressing the reason so many people are on fentanyl? Could it be that opioids are overprescribed by profit-hungry pharma companies and doctors? Or perhaps that the economic system leads people into drug abuse, because they don’t see any future for themselves?

If all the fentanyl disappeared tomorrow, the sad reality is that many of these addicts would be seeking out other drugs instead.
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As is said before: they only care about fentanyl cause if kills peoplenso easily. That's messy. They just people to go back to using drugs that aren't as much of a public nuisance.

And fentanyl is anyway just a pretext for the tariffs.
nimic said:
The right has literally never been about free speech. Maybe the Ron Paul right, but he's never represented "the right". Conservatives have always, since day 1, been reactionary-adjacent (or outright reactionary).
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Yep. They want the state out of people's wallets and in their heads. The exact opposite of what makes sense.
 
Port Vale Devil said:
He is dying to leave NATO.

85/90% controlled by Russia according to Grok
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At the end of the day, he's obviously getting NATO members to increase their spending, a natural consequence of the direction the US is taking. He could easily stop at that, just state that NATO countries needs to increase their spending, most will easily agree. It's just the needless digs ala openly stating that he doubts France would be of much help, maybe not even show up. It's the constant need to be an absolute dick, the theatrics. Demanding respect, consistently calling the prime minister of another country "governor" because for some reason they'd like that entire country to be an american state. The talk of Greenland being a part of the US, "one way or another"

Sure, quite a few countries have been far away from spending as much as they should, but there's more to the strategic alliance than the budgets, and the Yanks have been more than happy to take the opportunity to place bases in strategic locations.

It places a lot of country on a path to produce a lot more military equipment in order to build up a strong defense, at a point where the vast majority should hope for the opposite.
 
Cheimoon said:
As is said before: they only care about fentanyl cause if kills peoplenso easily. That's messy. They just people to go back to using drugs that aren't as much of a public nuisance.

And fentanyl is anyway just a pretext for the tariffs.

Yep. They want the state out of people's wallets and in their heads. The exact opposite of what makes sense.
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Cheimoon said:
As is said before: they only care about fentanyl cause if kills peoplenso easily. That's messy. They just people to go back to using drugs that aren't as much of a public nuisance.

And fentanyl is anyway just a pretext for the tariffs.

Yep. They want the state out of people's wallets and in their heads. The exact opposite of what makes sense.
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I thought it was interesting how Michael Vogel was highlighted on his return from Russia where he had been imprisoned for bringing drugs illegally into the country. If he had been Mexican or Canadian he would have been left to rot! (Admittedly the "drugs" were a small amount of cannabis for medical use!)
 
So - "The Department of Defense is responsible for providing the military forces needed to deter war and protect the security of our country."
Why have the Mexican and Canadian governments been conscripted to defend the US borders?
Strange too that the Department of Defense is that responsible for US foreign military activities - Iraq, Afghanistan etc. I suppose they would say that they were defending US interests.
 
So now we know that Donald J Trump is The Only Person Who Knows why Russia wants peace in Ukraine. The only person.....I know something you don't know blah blah blah.
 
nimic said:
The right has literally never been about free speech. Maybe the Ron Paul right, but he's never represented "the right". Conservatives have always, since day 1, been reactionary-adjacent (or outright reactionary).
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Except libertarians like him which do not represent be it the old GOP or the new MAGA GOP, the freedom of speech for GOP was always ‘the freedom of my speech’.

Plus criticism of Israel, for some weird reasons, is something of a taboo (to be fair for established Dems too). You can criticize the US, Jesus, maybe even the second amendment, but not Israel.
 
Read a really interesting, but rather terrifying article on the FT, that the US right (based on drilling into the details of a world culture survey) now essentially aligns from a world cooperation / liberal position perspective with Russia / Turkey.

How does the US come back from this?
 
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RoadTrip said:
Read a really interesting, but rather terrifying article on the FT, that the US right (based on drilling into the details of a world culture survey) now essentially aligns from world cooperation / liberal position perspective with Russia / Turkey.

How does the US come back from this?
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When the damage is done and the people finally snap, a long way to go yet, they will have to feel real pain before anything changes.
 
Bosws87 said:
When the damage is done and the people finally snap, a long way to go yet, they will have to feel real pain before anything changes.
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I've been thinking about the breaking point and what it will be for all of this. The next president hopefully a level headed one, will have a hard job
 
RoadTrip said:
Read a really interesting, but rather terrifying article on the FT, that the US right (based on drilling into the details of a world culture survey) now essentially aligns from a world cooperation / liberal position perspective with Russia / Turkey.

How does the US come back from this?
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Last time this happened they took power, tried to expand their countries through war. One was obliterated by 1945, the other one collapsed in 1991

The oddity this time is that it's the nuclear superpower
 
Like all bullies the orange shitstain has backed off from his tariff position when Canada said " feck you. Two can play that game". Well played Canada. It might also have had something to do with the markets crashing and his lickspittle billionaire buddies had a quiet word in his shell like.
 
trevor newnham said:
Like all bullies the orange shitstain has backed off from his tariff position when Canada said " feck you. Two can play that game". Well played Canada. It might also have had something to do with the markets crashing and his lickspittle billionaire buddies had a quiet word in his shell like.
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Canada is now officially poking the bear, they haven’t stopped their tariffs on USA goods. I’ve been watching a lot of their premiers speak, I was under the impression that Doug ford was a bit of an idiot but his dealings with fox and cnn have been very impressive
 
FriedClams said:
Canada is now officially poking the bear, they haven’t stopped their tariffs on USA goods. I’ve been watching a lot of their premiers speak, I was under the impression that Doug ford was a bit of an idiot but his dealings with fox and cnn have been very impressive
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Until two minutes ago, I thought he was the guy who was caught smoking crack, but apparently that was his brother Rob Ford.
 
trevor newnham said:
Like all bullies the orange shitstain has backed off from his tariff position when Canada said " feck you. Two can play that game". Well played Canada. It might also have had something to do with the markets crashing and his lickspittle billionaire buddies had a quiet word in his shell like.
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He hasn't stopped all tariffs that were due to be implemented. They still reckon around 62% of goods will be subject to tariffs, part of this is to placate the car industry and farmers (potash) by the looks of it.
 
Mike Smalling said:
How about actually addressing the reason so many people are on fentanyl? Could it be that opioids are overprescribed by profit-hungry pharma companies and doctors? Or perhaps that the economic system leads people into drug abuse, because they don’t see any future for themselves?

If all the fentanyl disappeared tomorrow, the sad reality is that many of these addicts would be seeking out other drugs instead.
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Spot on and exactly what the Mexican president alluded to yesterday in her press conference. Why do so many Americans end up in a situation where they end up consuming such an incredibly powerful narcotic? I wonder what it will take for the US to go from the "war on drugs" to treating it as public health issue. Americans have such limited access to substitution therapy compared to other countries too. It boggles the mind.

But don't take my word for it. Here's a good blog on the issue from the Commonwealth Fund.

U.S. Overdose Deaths Remain Higher Than in Other Countries
 
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