The Trump Presidency - Part 2

With all the tariffs etc, will this effect the US economy in a bad way? If yes ,why would his rich friends, Bezos, Musk and others support that? It directly costs them a lot of money, no?

I dont get it, surely this must benefit the elites some way ?
 
With all the tariffs etc, will this effect the US economy in a bad way? If yes ,why would his rich friends, Bezos, Musk and others support that? It directly costs them a lot of money, no?

I dont get it, surely this must benefit the elites some way ?
As long as the pie isn't shrinking too much the oligarchs will be happy with a larger slice of a smaller pie.
 
With all the tariffs etc, will this effect the US economy in a bad way? If yes ,why would his rich friends, Bezos, Musk and others support that? It directly costs them a lot of money, no?

I dont get it, surely this must benefit the elites some way ?
A rotten economy is often a goldmine for these oligarch robber barons. It means there'll be plenty of assets for them to grab on the cheap, and the government will likely look to offset much of their state apparatus to the private sector, blaming government inefficiency. Not that they aren't doing that anyway, but expect that whole process to be expedited the more the economy tanks.

Of course it spells dire straits for the average citizen, but its not as if that's ever been a concern for them. The only thing I'd imagine they'd be weary of is more Luigis being spawned.
 
Wouldn't work, it's quite clear the US are looking at de-escalating language. The Hitler thing works on the European audience because there's a more real threat but the US don't see a threat to themselves, only opportunity.

If he wasn't willing to bite his tongue, put on a suit and blow smoke up Trumps peace efforts he shouldn't have gone it's that simple. I'm sure some will respond saying he shouldn't have to, and he shouldn't but that's the reality as the US aren't obligated to assist indefinitely.
I think Zelenskyy was entitled to assume that he wouldn’t get mugged on live TV. That’s not how diplomacy is supposed to work.

It seems inappropriate for you to blame Zelenskyy for things the Americans did or to fail to acknowledge that the US is a rogue nation at this point, ripping up treaties, picking fights with friends, talking about becoming an imperial power and supporting actual dictators.
 
I think Zelenskyy was entitled to assume that he wouldn’t get mugged on live TV. That’s not how diplomacy is supposed to work.

It seems inappropriate for you to blame Zelenskyy for things the Americans did or to fail to acknowledge that the US is a rogue nation at this point, ripping up treaties, picking fights with friends, talking about becoming an imperial power and supporting actual dictators.

I'll be totally honest, it seemed to be going ok until Zelensky started mugging off the US admin, I think Vance didn't need to escalate the situation though but the issues started with Zelensky primarily.
After Vance escalated (which I think was silly, he should have defused) then all bets were off, Vance is a real problem, and needs to shut his mouth

Its unfortunate because for 30 minutes things were going ok
 

The disrespect shown towards Canada by this administration is disgusting.
Biden picked Merrick Garland as his AG. Merrick Garland despite being best known as the Obama’s Supreme Court nomination that was blocked by Turtle, is a conservative and member of the Federalist Society. Biden picked him as an olive branch to republicans and to show he was serious about working across the aisle.

Garland did everything he could to protect Trump.
Yup. The Republicans aren’t cooperative. I hate how the Democrats keep trying to appease them.
 
we're gonna have problems over here. hearing callers on a LBC youtube video defending trump and going after Zelensky. they sound like the MAGA imbeciles you get in the states...... wtf?
 
I'll be totally honest, it seemed to be going ok until Zelensky started mugging off the US admin, I think Vance didn't need to escalate the situation though but the issues started with Zelensky primarily.
After Vance escalated (which I think was silly, he should have defused) then all bets were off, Vance is a real problem, and needs to shut his mouth

Its unfortunate because for 30 minutes things were going ok
:lol: Ukraine the instigators again
 
Re the Noem and Vance posts in here on this page: feck those cnuts. I hate some of their clowns accept their backtracking after the damage has been done. That's the entire strategy Trump has been following for years. It's dog whistle after dog whistle.
 
Are the Dems saying anything? Or really doing anything useful at all? I understand their strategy is to sit back and let it happen because it will implode or something?
 

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It's kind of reassuring that this insecure little bitch has climbed the republican sycophant ladder leaning on Trump to the very top. They think Trump is a masculine savior because every other male in the republican party is some version of this.
 
we're gonna have problems over here. hearing callers on a LBC youtube video defending trump and going after Zelensky. they sound like the MAGA imbeciles you get in the states...... wtf?
LBC has always had paid actors ringing in, ever since Brexit at least.

The UK is certainly a target for the next takeover. The full weight of the Russio/MAGA propaganda machine will be on us, if it isnt already.

Making the country believe a large portion of the country feels that way is all part of the playbook.
 
LBC has always had paid actors ringing in, ever since Brexit at least.

The UK is certainly a target for the next takeover. The full weight of the Russio/MAGA propaganda machine will be on us, if it isnt already.

Making the country believe a large portion of the country feels that way is all part of the playbook.
In some ways the damage was already done by getting Brexit to pass. Without it the EU would be able to make a much larger fist right now.
 
Are the Dems saying anything? Or really doing anything useful at all? I understand their strategy is to sit back and let it happen because it will implode or something?
It's also possible that they agree with large parts of what is happening but will publicly protest otherwise.
 
It's also possible that they agree with large parts of what is happening but will publicly protest otherwise.
Nah, this isn’t the Israel/Gaza situation. Even many Republicans are silently embarrassed by this, I would imagine.
The Dems just have a stunning lack of leadership and identity right now, and then there are idiots like James Carville arguing that they should stand back and say nothing.
 
Nah, this isn’t the Israel/Gaza situation. Even many Republicans are silently embarrassed by this, I would imagine.
The Dems just have a stunning lack of leadership and identity right now, and then there are idiots like James Carville arguing that they should stand back and say nothing.
I don't know. I've watched Starmer do precisely the same thing and pretend to be outraged and then double down on many of the things he bothered to opine about. They're doing the same shit.
 
Classic victim blaming. "Zelensky knew what Trump and Vance were like, he had it coming...''.

Never said that, I said he was "mugging them off" and I'll also add, started, the disagreement which was not smart, in fact a lot worse than not smart. I also said Vance should have deescalated and didn't and pointed out Vance was a big problem here.
If you are going to quote me then at least be factual.

If you ask me I think Zelensky was a bit frustrated with the reporters question about his atire and it rattled him a bit, that's just speculation though, the whole thing should have just been done behind closed doors and the deal would have been signed

You can be aligned with Zelensky and what he is trying to achieve still think he didn't handle the situation well (and also understand why given the pressure he is under)
 
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It's kind of reassuring that this insecure little bitch has climbed the republican sycophant ladder leaning on Trump to the very top. They think Trump is a masculine savior because every other male in the republican party is some version of this.
This is why I take the warnings that Vance is the real threat with a pinch of salt. He may be Project 2025’s favoured pet at the moment, but he’s just another inadequate GOP stuffed shirt who would struggle to even win the nomination on his own without some serious foul play. And the Trump cultists would turn on him just as quickly as they turned on Pence.
 
I know things aren't perfect right now but I would rather have my entire lifetime of MAGA candidates winning every presidential election from here until 2074 than China gaining more geopolitical relevance.
You think MAGA is better on China than establishment Dems? Trump just ceded a shit ton of soft power by dismantling USAID, and is antagonizing the rest of the Western world with his every move. China must be loving this.
 
I know things aren't perfect right now but I would rather have my entire lifetime of MAGA candidates winning every presidential election from here until 2074 than China gaining more geopolitical relevance.
Record scratch, rewind
 
I know things aren't perfect right now but I would rather have my entire lifetime of MAGA candidates winning every presidential election from here until 2074 than China gaining more geopolitical relevance.
Why?
 
Been getting hammered on S&P500 ETF over the last few weeks. This is painful.
 
You think MAGA is better on China than establishment Dems? Trump just ceded a shit ton of soft power by dismantling USAID, and is antagonizing the rest of the Western world with his every move. China must be loving this.

Yeah, most likely outcome is Europe, Canada, New Zealand and Australia softening stances with China
 
Are the Dems saying anything? Or really doing anything useful at all? I understand their strategy is to sit back and let it happen because it will implode or something?
Do they even exist? I have not heard any Dem person or anything Dem related in the news cycle in absolute ages.