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The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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How did he elaborate on that?
It's not that Zelensky was at fault for his stand. He spoke from his heart to Vance who doesn't know a dang about diplomacy but was lecturing about it and made him (and by extension Trump) look like an idiot that he is, in the Oval Office, in front of the media. There was only one end from there.
What he should have done instead are struck to rhetoric about how US is fighting for freedom and liberty vs oppression and modern day Hitler, and any US support will help prevent expansion of another facist regime.
He should have been smarter but given his country ravaged by was he was emotional which is understandable. In any case they expected him to praise them and kiss their feet, it was all orchestrated.
It was all orchestrated to persuade the American public that there is no point continuing to back Ukraine.
Except the American public I’m reading on SM have not been persuaded.
MAGA have though and so here we are.
I AM persuaded that Trump is a Russian asset. Everything makes sense through that lens.
Fecking Lotso from Toy Story.
Wouldn't work, it's quite clear the US are looking at de-escalating language. The Hitler thing works on the European audience because there's a more real threat but the US don't see a threat to themselves, only opportunity.
If he wasn't willing to bite his tongue, put on a suit and blow smoke up Trumps peace efforts he shouldn't have gone it's that simple. I'm sure some will respond saying he shouldn't have to, and he shouldn't but that's the reality as the US aren't obligated to assist indefinitely.
The suit stuff is moronic
He’s a Putin asset. All the evidence is there to see.
It’s not just foreign policy, they’re burning the US from within under the guise of small government politics.
It’s not just foreign policy, they’re burning the US from within under the guise of small government politics.
I see he's waging war on scientists. It's like a lousy climate chage denier flat earth facebook commentator has assumed office and is wreaking havoc.
My theory is that he's actually just a pathetic man
I mean you literally had Trump calling him a dictator a few days before the meeting and lying about his poll numbers. They aren't de-escalating anything. He simply corrected a point about Putin breaking a ceasefire but you can't say anything about Putin so Vance jumped on him. He bit his tongue pretty well before but it was a clear escalation by Vance.
The US are harping on about peace yet they refuse to say anything against the guy who invaded but have plenty to say about Zelensky. No they aren't obligated to assist so they should be serious about putting pressure on Russia to deescalate but they are clearly favouring Putin.
In a real shocker Orban has supported US decision on stopping the aid for Ukraine.
That Zelensky went there to make a deal and instead he was too proud to do that and resorted to arguing with Trump, who we all know cannot be argued with as he doesn’t respond well to any form of criticism. He then went on to send links to several geopolitical experts 1-hour YouTube videos where they went on about Zelensky’s incompetence.
then he would have just flipped into putin defence mode. bottom line, the deal was off the table before the press conference.... it was done, cooked as they say. Zelensky wasn't getting anything!
at least this way he managed to get the cnuts to expose themselves further, to the world.
they are proper morons
I bet he closed it with I'm not a Trump fan but..
A deal is a quid pro quo. This was an extortion and ritual humiliation
Not committing fully to prosecuting Trump after his first term was the biggest mistake the democrats have made. Now everyone knows you are untouchable in power regardless of what you do. I haven't seen such open corruption even in my third world country.
What Trump and Vance did was wrong on so many levels, but with Trump you have to bend the knee and praise him. This is the reality, the result might have been the same but he should have gone in more tactfully. This is the job politicians sign up for.
There was nothing even remotely political about the interaction with Vance and Trump. The pair of them behaved like spoiled children. There’s not a politician on the planet who could have come out of that slanging match with any kind of constructive outcome.
I dont think you do NEED to do that, you need to be pretty non-confrontational sure... but this narrative that you need to jerk him off is just another thing being pushed by those clowns to shape the landscape in their favour.... and it seems to be working somewhat.
Biden picked Merrick Garland as his AG. Merrick Garland despite being best known as the Obama’s Supreme Court nomination that was blocked by Turtle, is a conservative and member of the Federalist Society. Biden picked him as an olive branch to republicans and to show he was serious about working across the aisle.
Garland did everything he could to protect Trump.
Exactly. They were deliberately being cnuts to prove they can do what they want and everyone will suck their tiny nobs anyway.
They want to make an example out of Zelensky and Ukraine so he was fecked either way.
Precisely.
The only thing missing now is US dropping all sanctions towards Russia
Western Australian premier Roger Cook apologises after calling US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob
I was thinking more in terms of the whole idea of Trump being compromised by Russia somehow. I'm not fully denying that it's possible, but I really don't think you need a peepee tape in the vaults of the Kremlin to explain Trump's behavior.
The way to understand Trump is that he is deeply pathetic man with insane narcissism, delusions of grandeur, and many grudges that he won't let go of. So his stance on Russia/Ukraine can be explained by a combination of things:
a) He campaigned on ending the war, so he wants to accomplish this. This would also solidify his own perception of him being a dealmaker, especially if he can get some mineral rights he can show off to the rubes.
b) He holds a grudge against Zelenskyy for his role in his impeachment. Even if he doesn't want to directly punish him for this, he certainly holds Zelenskyy in low regard for that reason.
c) He sympathizes with Putin and admires him as a strong dictator, which is what he aspires to be. This became absurdly obvious when he described the "Russia hoax" as something he and Putin went through together.
d) It's also possible that he is interested in furthering a world order, where the strong can take from the weak as they see fit, although I'm not sure I necessarily want to ascribe that level of strategizing to Trump.
Whenever the "he is a Russian asset" argument comes up, I always think it is missing the point a bit. Trump's behavior can be explained by his own twisted mind, without the need for some secret recruitment in the 1980's. And that's what I thought he described well in the interview.
Why would he apologize
Western Australian premier Roger Cook apologises after calling US vice-president JD Vance a ‘knob’
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-cook-calls-us-vice-president-jd-vance-a-knob
?The other day, a leader of a leftwing party in my country said something like "My contempt for Trump is absolute" (loosely translated), and I thought to myself, how it would be nice if more politicians were open like that.
I think that’s a good summary. Although you can probably include some straightforward grubby financial motivations. Apparently there’s been a lot of Trump owned properties purchased by Russian oligarchs over the last year or so.
This ages better by the day
What is really boiling my piss, is this shite I keep hearing from people about how Zelensky shouldn't have let himself be dragged into what happened the other day. How Macron and Starmer were smarter and just told Trump what he wanted to hear - as if this is the grown up way to handle Trump.
Feck right off - he's the leader of the US, why the hell do we need to treat him like a child with behavioural problems? He has too much power to tip toe around and ignore. It feels like Europe is the frog in the proverbial slowly boiling beaker of water at the moment, and we'd want to cop on and start loudly and firmly calling out his bollocks for what it is before it's too late.
Feck right off - he's the leader of the US, why the hell do we need to treat him like a child with behavioural problems? He has too much power to tip toe around and ignore. It feels like Europe is the frog in the proverbial slowly boiling beaker of water at the moment, and we'd want to cop on and start loudly and firmly calling out his bollocks for what it is before it's too late.
They want to oust Zelensky and install a puppet then take Ukraine's minerals.
Trump was also allegedly received funding from russia
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/3...on-american-banks-we-have-all-the-funding-we/
Plus there was this
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story...-russian-mansion-buyer-make-money/5934528007/
It's obvious Trump had/has financial ties with Russia. It is in his interest to bring back russia in the fold. Just this means he can be easily influenced by Putin. They don't need compromat, when they can just bribe him.
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Oh and they are already planning to lift sanctions:
https://www.reuters.com/world/white...ssia-sanctions-relief-sources-say-2025-03-03/
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Can someone explain how Trump can stop deliveries already approved by Congress, without being impeached?
There is no time limit, so he can pause them indefinitely.
As far as I understand it.
Plus, it's not like he'd get impeached anyway.