That’s fair. But all that shit is out of the electorate’s hand. All they can do is their democratic duty on election day. And this is what happens when millions of Americans don’t do the right thing.
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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That’s fair. But all that shit is out of the electorate’s hand. All they can do is their democratic duty on election day. And this is what happens when millions of Americans don’t do the right thing.
Traitor Trump should be hanged for treason after last night.
Your assumption is that the electorate is suitably informed. They’re not. It’s always going to be down to the DNC and their messaging.
I think Americans are sick of the DNC not offering them anything to actually vote for. The last three elections it’s been entirely about voting against. That was never going to work when they had been in power for 4 years.
This election was about voting against too. Voting against the evil, bloated orange turd this thread is about. Sometimes you have to vote against. Maybe a candidate more to your tastes will step forward one day. Meanwhile do the right thing FFS. When you have a presidential candidate who surrounds himself with and endorses actual racists and borderline fascists it’s really not difficult to know what you need to do on election day.
That is the whole point of democracy, voting for what you believe is the right thing. The right thing for one person is not the same right thing for another person. You may believe what you voted for is the right thing, but an argument can always be made that you voted for the wrong thing.
Clearly in bed with Russia. Not even hiding it.
It was 100% clear what the right thing to do was when this prick ran for election.
Rumours that the US tried to switch the deal to taking Ukraine minerals but providing no security. The deal was dead before the conference....
What did he misjudge? How much of a shambles the US government had become?
The electorate had a choice on polling day. They decided to vote for a sexual predator who staged a coup in their own country alongside an unelected foreign national who is pillaging all of the money.
Im not sure what the misjudged. He responded to a question about the ceasefire and Vance upped the aggro. He was then put on the spot and defended himself when Trump then joined in. You can’t prepare for shit like that. It was bullying plain and simple.
Exactly that. Remember that Zelenzkyy was speaking in his 3rd language.
Anyone got any idea what the motive behind Trump's (and his administration's) love affair with Russia is? What is the interest in pleasing Russia and going full on in Putin's interests?
I have a very hard time believing that it is down to Russia simply possessing some kind of compromising footage or documents on Trump - it is clearly in the interest of the whole administration and the puppet masters behind Trump.
But what is the point in disrupting the world order for this? Financial activities/agreements that are unknown to the public? An agreement on splitting territories between Russia and the USA (just waiting for US to start invading different countries)? Simply a wish to disrupt everything for no reason?
I have a very hard time believing that it is down to Russia simply possessing some kind of compromising footage or documents on Trump - it is clearly in the interest of the whole administration and the puppet masters behind Trump.
But what is the point in disrupting the world order for this? Financial activities/agreements that are unknown to the public? An agreement on splitting territories between Russia and the USA (just waiting for US to start invading different countries)? Simply a wish to disrupt everything for no reason?
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whether it's true he's comprised or not we can already see there is much more to it
the Russian's keep helping them all get elected so it's not hard to see why they'd all toe the line under Trump's command
with snakes who do anything for power there doesn't need to be a grand conspiracy behind it
I’m not saying it to defend Trump or Vance in any way. They are vile and dangerous. But Trump’s one defining trait is his vanity, and this press conference was supposed to be a victory ceremony for him. Zelenskyy seemingly came to challenge him in front of the TV cameras. He also chose not to take direct advice from the Trump team and wear a suit. Yes, it’s petty as feck but Trump is petty and it’s no surprise he reacted badly. Zelenskyy came to show defiance in front of a leader who demands servility. He then took the bait and got provoked by Vance. He probably would have played his cards better by sucking up to Trump and hoping this mineral deal would lead to closer ties, is all I’m saying.
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And by not voting, you voted for somebody who doubles down on the genocide enabling and on top of it supports an imperialistic invasion.
You could have voted for Harris and then went on the streets to demonstrate, contacted your representatives to criticize the Democrats' Israel politics but you chose to do nothing and now there's a president in office who is much worse than the other option, wants to turn Gaza into a luxus resort and generally accepts every geopolitical maneuver by other countries, no matter how despicable it is, as long as he profits from it. I get your line of thinking, I really do, but this can't have been the best option. Not for Palestinians, not for Ukraine, not for the US.
@maniak is not American.
The behavior of those traitors in the White House yesterday was similar to how Goebbels, Goering, etc used to act.
Never mind voting for him, anyone who chose to not vote for an alternative to him is equally culpable, to be honest.
Traitors, they should be hung. Can you imagine what the top brass of the US military are feeling when the wake up this morning? This could turn very very nasty.
Short-term oriented economic benefits I'd say. Supporting Ukraine is costly. And you can't mine in areas that are fought over. With Greenland and now Ukraine there have already been two geopolitical maneuvers by him that revolved around minerals required to build computer chips which again are needed for the AI revolution of Altman, Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg and co.
While that definitely makes sense, Trump seems to be very ignorant of the importance of diplomatic relationships which goes hand in hand with his general selfishness and quid pro quo attitude. At least when in regards to his Western allies. Maybe it is because he thinks the EU can't keep up in many key industries going forward, like AI, chip manufacturing, cloud computing, social media, etc.
But yeah, I too had the thought that something could be going on behind the scenes but primarily because all the billionaires who used to support the democrats flipped to Trump.
Honestly if I hear someone else state 'it's Trump, you have to play the game, compliment and butter him up and pretend to be his deferential buddy......'
Why? What is this shit?
Why? What is this shit?
The billionaires are all shitting themselves about the bubble that made them billionaires bursting. And they see EU regulators as an existential threat. Hence they’re all rowing in behind a guy whose platform was largely based around not giving a shit about international relations while removing as many regulations as possible.
There’s probably a bit of truth in all those things. But they’re endangering the national interests of the US and it’s allies, that’s treasonous. Traitor Trump. I suspect last night will bite Trump back in his arse. In one swipe he’s alienated the US establishment & military.
This makes sense. It could be the AI race. They know f they can control AI in the next 4 years or at least leave office in charge of AI and its infrastructure then that basically means they control the world for generations
Yep, and if he doesn’t get the minerals with ukraines permission he will make a deal with Russia to get them. He’s already laying the groundwork by saying big US corporates could work from Moscow
He’s all about getting those minerals. He doesn’t give a shit about peace. That’s not his priority
Good post and well reasoned.
I completely agree with you about Europe. In the short term, there is going to be some pain in having to not rely on the US.
But as you say, there is a real opportunity for the nations of Europe to unite, not just as the EU, and to seek to benefit from the vacuum left by the US thinking it can act in a bubble.
For too long we have relied on the US for military hardware, some of it like the F35 that is expensive and not that good.
Great. Let him try that and see how wonderful that really is.
Meanwhile Europe should strike that deal with Ukraine.
Yes which is my point, knowingly acting this way shows they have major issues to me.
Not spending resources on defending another country they don't care about, is a pretty obvious one.
The mistake Traitor Trump is making is that he’s undermining his military as well as going against their values. Trump’s not lasting 4 years in office.
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We saw yesterday what can happen if you don’t. Do you think Ukraine are in a better position now?
I mean people were literally doing that while the Democrats were in power and it did nothing, doesn’t instil any confidence.
The only silver lining to this shit show is it will inevitably lead to a weaker America and a more multi polar world which will be good news for certain parts of the world.
Isn't that the exact plan of the British monarchy right now?
Straight from the Ted Cruz, Chris Christie role-play school of piglets in submission.
Yes, they are in a better position by some distance. It's far better to have an enemy expose itself than keep them around believing that they are an ally.
Now Ukraine and everyone else are acutely aware of the everyone's position.
I can’t help thinking there’s no turning back for America at this point. A combination of AI, misinformation and voter suppression will ensure JD’s win in 28 (or Trump’s if he feels like it).
Americans increasingly get their news from social media, which are of course owned by Musk and Zuckerberg, and from where the algorithms will force feed users with subtle and not so subtle propaganda memes and videos. Some of them have even creeped into my feed and I live thousands of miles away.
Americans increasingly get their news from social media, which are of course owned by Musk and Zuckerberg, and from where the algorithms will force feed users with subtle and not so subtle propaganda memes and videos. Some of them have even creeped into my feed and I live thousands of miles away.
It takes its time but demonstrations can and will influence political courses eventually.
I agree with your second paragraph. The only constructive way to go about this is to reduce dependencies on the US which consequentially reduced its geopolitical influence. Maybe this crisis is the push Europe for instance needed to get their act together and see through some much need changes to become more competitive again.
But let's be real, a US with no moral restraints is very, very scary. People rightfully point out their aggressive geopolitics, especially under Republican presidents, but they never were a rogue state and what Trump is now doing is already out of the already ambigous moral codex the US has acted upon so far.
You can bang on about not being able to vote for Harris because of _ all you want, this was clearly the alternative, and now it's the reality. Leagues worse than anything she could have cooked up, but hey, at least morals remained intact.