Only thing that will turn the tide is living conditions becoming so poor for the average working stiff that a full blown revolt happens. If the right stay in power for long enough eventually they'll get the blame.
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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There's still a list of things you can blame : China, Immigrants, Europe, Democrats, Europe, DEI, etc
I'll send you an invoice later.
I've copy pasted this into a WhatsApp group. Excellent gag.
That's not odd, that's exactly what happened. This was always meant to happen.
Yep. And I don’t think they would hesitate to do the same with any other European country, or elsewhere. They’re looking to exploit wherever they can.
Personally I believe they’re looking to carve up as many countries as they can and share the spoils with Russia and China.
The EU & UK’s economy is > than the US. And that’s excluding western allies such as Norway, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, etc. So ‘getting act together’ is underestimating the strength of Europe and its allies. Europe does need to start putting on a more unified approach though.
I wonder if the people who ridiculed the idea of Russia being a threat to NATO countries, or the idea of the US not defending a NATO country under aggression, have changed their tune yet. Probably not.
Yep and I think that’s his reason why he’s trying to break up NATO. They want to power grab.
There’s going to be some fireworks with the White House and the US military brass.
The representative has no incentive to listen if the vote is secure either way. They wouldn't give a shit.
We can do the "blame the non-voters" thing (not really referring to you here, but to the specific few users who have been beating that drum hard for months), but if we are to do that, we should be fair:
The people who say you should always vote for the lesser evil are then to blame for every single thing the status quo parties won't change. Keeping it to the US, all US support for Israel is their fault. The lack of universal healthcare is their fault. Basically any politically fixable societal ill is their fault. The American Civil Rights Movement, and almost all social progress, succeeded despite of them, and would have succeeded even more if not for people like them.
If the populace don't use their political power, or at least credibly threaten to, then nothing ever changes. Now, if these users would bite that bullet and admit it, then that would at least be something, but they won't even do that. They'll deny deny deny while shouting at others.
The situation reminds me of the Treaty of Tordesillas, where Spain and Portugal carved up the entire world between them, ignoring the views of anyone else. That lines up well with Trump’s simplistic, transactional world view. He’s incapable of thinking in any other way.
Trump made an earlier comment that he was happy with his attire. Trump will be happy no matter how much you kiss his ass. He is an abuser and a narcissist.
His meeting with Trump was going fine and then Vance lit their touch paper and it exploded. You could argue Zelensky could not have taken the bait but that it very difficult. He only made an initial point of a ceasefire being broken by Russia which was true. It was outright bullying and is rightfully being called out. If they carry on like they have in the last month, the administration will implode.
Dutch headline: "Zelensky not apologising to Trump"
Why the feck would he.
Why the feck would he.
And yet they’re still quite a spineless regime, preferring to corner off their allies who have been dependent on them, rather than to rub up against any country that could push back.
That's what I mean. The European market is enormously fractured, there is no European army, etc. because of various regulations and every country putting their own interests above those of the collective. And we do lack behind in terms of innovation, there are no two ways above it.
Those things primarily stem from vanity and maybe the recent developments are the push needed to set them aside.
I see your point but let's say Harris would have been elected because critics of her Israel politics voted the lesser evil but still made themselves heard through demonstrations or whatever. Trump losing for a second time could have led to the GoP reassessing their strategies and take more centrist positions again. If they become electable again, the Israel politics of the Democrats would suddenly provide a great opportunity for them to turn voters in their favor again.
I mean, this obviously works much better if there are more than two parties but it still can work.
Has Kier said anything?
Will Uk side with Europe or USA?
Will Uk side with Europe or USA?
He has called a meeting of European leaders in London tomorrow and has already spoken with both Zelenzkyy and trump.
if the UK sides with Trump god help us all
UK will never go against the US, Starmer was pretty much saying this while he was licking Trump's boots the other day.
USA has never backed the Kremlin before
we'll see but I don't expect Kier to take Trump's side
There is no European army... that is correct.
But don't forget that Europe is a major player in NATO.
One of the reasons why so many European nations have relied on the US for equipment is the way these deals are structured financially.
But that doesn't have to be the case.
Disagree.
Agree.
Portugal is UK’s oldest bro.
You better not feck us over in favor of Trump otherwise no more debauchery in the Algarve!
You better not feck us over in favor of Trump otherwise no more debauchery in the Algarve!
This finger pointing and pseudo moral outrage is getting old, fast.
Get off your high horse and rather ask yourself what went so wrong in the Democratic camp that Harris got dog walked by that orange psychopath in the last elections. "People who didn't vote for [insert your candidate] are stupid" ain't gonna cut it. Unless your Party undergoes a serious introspection, prepare yourself for the next slap in the face in four years. You and the other gatekeepers can then blame whatever minority or group of stupid people who refused to do the "right thing". If the institutions of the land of the free are still standing, that is.
As for Europe, while it would be reaaaally time to get its act together and finally break its US chains, I wouldn't bet my house on it. The second Trump wave has yet to truly hit our shores and we have our own domestic demons to deal with.
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I think we’ll try to play the field between both sides as long as possible, but ultimately when push comes to shove, there really is no alternative than to side with Europe. It’s the European continent that’s at stake and the US clearly isn’t a country to rely on for support, no matter how good you think your relationship is.
The Tory right on the other hand may think differently.
By the way, Starmer behaved shockingly in the trump meeting. When asked about trump’s plan to annex Canada, he accused the questioner of trying to be divisive. How can the effective leader of the commonwealth not discuss the intention to annex a commonwealth country when he’s meeting the person making the threats? And why is the King sending handwritten invitations to such a person?
Canadians very disappointed in the UK today.
Canadians very disappointed in the UK today.
Something that irked me about the US for a while is the idea that democracy basically comes down to voting once in a while and that’s it. „Cast your vote, be a good citizen and then shut the feck up, while we do whatever the feck we want“ has basically always been how I’ve seen the US.
This rhetoric is visible a lot these days and it’s part of the issue. People in the US, but also worldwide need to learn, that democracy is more than ordering something from a menu. It demands constant pressure, participation and cooperation from the people.
This rhetoric is visible a lot these days and it’s part of the issue. People in the US, but also worldwide need to learn, that democracy is more than ordering something from a menu. It demands constant pressure, participation and cooperation from the people.
I’m so angry about that State Visit invitation. What should have happened is that CRIII should have scheduled a visit to Canada as head of the Commonwealth.
Also - how is the UK allowing a convicted felon into the country? I thought those with a criminal record (including rape) could not visit?
Gaza played no role in Harris' defeat. It became quite the convenient excuse to justify the November debacle and an unending source of schadenfreude for some, though.
That is never going to happen. Aside from geostrategic considerations, the prevalent and widely spread pro-Zionist ideology, the latent as well as institutional racism are too deeply ingrained in the American society, and the Israel lobby too powerful to see a 180° turn in US policy toward Israel, no matter the party in charge.
Hell, even a genocide didn't make them budge one bit. On the contrary, they systematically cracked down, hard, and silenced any form pro-Palestinian support, passed bills to basically criminalize any critic of Israel (eerily similar things happened in Germany in the past 16 months, but you already know that).
And you think that protests are going to change that? Feck both parties, they are two cheeks of the same backside on this topic.
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UK is in a vulnerable position. Brexit happened and the UK pushed away from Europe, relations have been strained. Closer ties to the US and beyond was seen as the golden goose. Now the US is turning on its friends and UK-EU ties have only recently started to be rebuilt. UK isn’t in much of a position of power right now.
Starmer’s also there… that’s his tail sticking out of Trumps arse
On the contrary. UK is still a highly significant part of Europe and that has never been more important than now.
Very clearly ironic though.
I don't think this is true, Brexit proved that there isn't any real feeling of European belonging. UK is pretty much a vassal of the US (to a lesser extent other European countries are too), Iraq pretty much proved this and recently the whole Sacoolas incident .
Starmer looked shit scared in his meeting and looked like he was choosing his words carefully not in a good way, more like he was scared. Inviting for a state visit was even more rediculous, Trump did nothing to earn that and just goes to show he can do whatever he wants and the UK will treat it as a one way 'special relationship' .
The UK’s importance is as a mediator between the US and Europe. We’re out of the EU and the US is acting out against its allies. The role is the tread the line but we’re not as close to either side as we once were.