The Trump Presidency - Part 2

Its all being orchestrated for Ukraine to be pressured to make a deal and for US to have an excuse to abandon them.
 
It would have been nice for Europe to stand together against Israel too but that never happened. Selective outrage is the problem with Europe pretending to be the pillar of humanity and morals.
True. Western countries' hypocrisy is often quite annoying.
 
I can't imagine this making a dent in his support, they only care about domestic issues at the best of times, to think that americans will care about a war, where zero US soliders are involved, is fantasy.

To put into perspective, Bush launched a war, where thousands of americans died, and he still got re-elected, not to mention the war was based on BS, but i suppose that was found out later.
Bush launched a war with a lot of backing, America was out for blood after 9/11, can't really blame them even though they didn't go about it the right way
 
Its not going to get any better either, people simply can't stop buying the BS the far right is selling, they have no results to speak of, but people keep voting for them, in increasingly larger numbers regardless.

Thats assuming 2028 will even be a fair election.


Far right propaganda (wherever it stems from) has done a real number on people the last few years. A good friend of mine and a guy I've worked with for years, both sensible guys and both used to laugh at Trump and his supporters. Now they're both big Trump fans and regurgitate misinformation regularly. They're not even American, so if it's working on people in Europe it's easy to see why American politics is in such a mess right now.
 
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Nah he should stick with the invite and then pull on Trump what he did to Zelensky.
I wanna see the baby Trump balloon flying outside Windsor Castle and Buck House when he arrives, he'd probably turn right round and go home
 
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Really? Isn't Graham one of the Republicans who is more sympathetic towards Zelensky and Ukraine?
Lindsay Graham is the type of politican who gives slime a bad name, he agrees with anything that keeps him relevant in his mind, he's the very definition of a slimy slazeball
 
Far right propaganda (wherever it stems from) has done a real number on people the last few years. A good friend of mine and a guy I've worked with for years, both sensible guys and both used to laugh and Trump and his supporters. Now they're both big Trump fans and regurgitate misinformation regularly. They're not even American, so if it's working on people in Europe it's easy to see why American politics is in such a mess right now.
Same! Couple guys would laugh at Trump but now spout Putin propaganda and took great pleasure when Trump got back in.

All because of Twitter where they regurgitate rubbish they see.
 
Thought it was parody account at first. Son of the president of United States :wenger:. Sorry if it was already posted. I get Trump family are clowns but this is so disgusting even for them. You'd think Dmitry Medvedev tweeted it.

 
Europe is going to have to go into near a war economy to supply Ukraine what they need without the US. This is obviously a deliberate attempt by Trump to put a puppet in place in Ukraine and I hope we resist for once.
 
When innocent people are concerned yes. If the plane was incredibly accurate and just hit Trump and Vance, I’d be fine with that.
Collateral damage would be inevitable but Mar-a-Lago would be the obvious placer to fo it
 
Hard to say. I have no doubt he is setting himself up for that. And he will obviously believe he has more support than Pence would have

We just need to hope he sinks when he is front and centre

But if it isn’t him it will be one of Don jnr. Who somehow would be even worse.
Vance is very popular with the Project 2025 crowd and their influence cannot be understated, it would be a mistake to write him off
 
Same! Couple guys would laugh at Trump but now spout Putin propaganda and took great pleasure when Trump got back in.

All because of Twitter where they regurgitate rubbish they see.

Scary how easy it now is to sway public opinion with social media.
 
US's position is now 100% clear (if it wasn't already), let's see if europe does any better than words now.
Now you should understand why despite everything else voting for Harris last Novermber was a much better thing to do than voting for this clown
 
Vance is very popular with the Project 2025 crowd and their influence cannot be understated, it would be a mistake to write him off
I’m not writing him off at all. He is dangerous
 
Blood boiling after rewatching those moments. Especially JD Vance is an utter slimy scumbag.
It's fecking embarrassing.I can't fathom why he has so much support. He's nothing more than a high school bully dragging the country and anyone who aligns with him down.
 
That's what I'm getting at. I'm genuinely worried now.

Him acting like a spoilt dumb petulant 13 year old was expected. Actually supporting Russia now and spitting on 80 years of US/EU goodwill is just mind blowing.
He has always been a threat and the world knows for a while now that he could be extremely dangerous. He shouldn't have been allowed to run a second time or win. I know it's the terrible Americans who voted for him that put him there but there must have been something they could have done. When they do decide to do it, it'll be too late.
Putin was directly involved in him winning the first time and elon is smart enough to ensure he wins a second time with nobody knowing. He's building a fascists regime and he's adding rich and powerful people to it. He has to go and soon. If not, sadly it's not only the American people who will suffer. This man is pure evil and wants power. He's not going to be satisfied with just America. Somebody has to end this and it has to be soon.
 
Zelensky has done a good job on the Fox interview, saying the relationship is between the US and Ukraine, not him and Trump. He's trying to manoeuvre the negotiations towards fuuture security.

""Zelensky says Trump told him today that he wants to be in the middle with both sides at the negotiating table. But Ukraine wants Trump to be "more on our side" than in the middle of negotiations."
 
I never said I'd vote for trump.
I agree, you said you’d vote for no one as that was the moral thing to do.

Still waiting for an explanation of how the moral thing to do is the moral thing to do when it leads to Trump.
 
Some of the comments on this are sickening.

I mean he's idolised by his fanatics and he'll do no wrong even if he surrendered the country to Russia. They no longer see or identify with American principals, all they see and listen to is the Cult of Trump. Genuinely scary how people can be manipulated in this way, it worked with Hitler after all. Propaganda is a scary tool.
 
I agree, you said you’d vote for no one as that was the moral thing to do.

Still waiting for an explanation of how the moral thing to do is the moral thing to do when it leads to Trump.

I said my morals would not allow me to vote for a genocide enabler.
 
People are such sheep, worst part they think there is difference on fundamental level.
 
I mean he's idolised by his fanatics and he'll do no wrong even if he surrendered the country to Russia. They no longer see or identify with American principals, all they see and listen to is the Cult of Trump. Genuinely scary how people can be manipulated in this way, it worked with Hitler after all. Propaganda is a scary tool.
America is just so toxic at the moment it's suffocating. At one point it felt like it would change for the better but all of that has been erased. Funnily enough I'm sure a large percentage of his cult following don't even pay taxes. Illiterate hillbillies who just have enough to buy their guns and bullets.