Was like 2 bullies trying to bait a reaction. It was 100% intentional in my opinion, obviously pre planned
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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Was like 2 bullies trying to bait a reaction. It was 100% intentional in my opinion, obviously pre planned
The disinformation clearly doesn't help but I don't get the feeling that the 'man in the street' in Western European countries sees this as 'our fight' yet.
For example, if Labour announced income tax was going up 5% across the board tomorrow to rearm, people would be livid and claiming the "rich" should somehow pay for it. I don't think people care enough to want to contribute themselves. But we'll see.
Zelenski having to deal with this moron talking nonsense while his people are dying every day.
Musk is more dangerous but I was talking about elected officials.
Nobody wants war and nobody wants to throw already stretched budgets at it, but there’s little choice for Europe but to disassociate with the US, start arming up and becoming more involved in Ukraine. We all know where inaction leads, it doesn’t end at Ukraine.
Yep, the way they both tried humiliate him
It obviously doesn't help that the Conservative Party spent a decade and a half hollowing out the military even further. They will also be the first to complain about the tax increases. I also wonder how the markets would react to the need for more spending. Attlee's Government was brought down by similar increases in spending in relation to Korea as well (and he was pressured by the US to do so as well). Like you say, we will see.
Europe should call Trump s bluff and tell him they ll take him up on the offer to close US military bases. Sure it may initially weaken European defenses in a way but surely it would weaken the US ability to exercise strategic control in the world more than the risk of that. Russia is not just going to be able to waltz into Europe.
I think there probably was a deal to be made, that was disadvantagous to Ukraine and exploitative. Trump probably would have taken it, but Zelensky has shown to be hesitant for a while about the minerals.
I'm not sure if there was a plan or bait for Zelensky though. Looking back at the video, there were few questions being asked of Zelensky. In the final exchange that led to the blow up - Zelensky wasn't even been asked a question at that point. They were talking to JD and Zelensky asked to interject. He then corrected and upstaged JD, embarrassing him by asking if he's ever visited Ukraine. Then they set upon him like hounds.
I genuinely think if he played it more diplomatically and didn't rise to the bait, eyeroll, sigh or try correct them - he could have come out of there with a deal. A poor deal, probably yes. But he tried fight emotions with emotions and got burnt.
I'd imagine that was Trump's intent.
Why the feck was that reporter asking Zelenski about not wearing a suit? Right wing media trying to somehow embarrass him?
Trying to belittle a guy that has stood up to Russia for the past 3 years.
He used to wear a suit but I assume doesnt as he / the people of his country don't feel it is appropriate when the country is at war.
Why not ask that to Elon Musk when he walks in in a t shirt a baseball cap?
America is not a serious country anymore.
The markets will hate further spending increases if they're unfunded. Hence other departments will need to be cut and taxes will have to rise. Or we just take our chances that it'll all somehow work out ok if we keep our heads down.
If you can't see that this was a setup, and was only ever going to end one way, then I don't know what else to say buddy.
Yeah the Uk and Europe in general should be putting major resources into defences me thinks
Look at Rubio
Pulling out a chair for a war criminal committing genocide and bullying a guy whose country and people are getting destroyed.
That sounds about right.
That sounds about right.
Trump is an absolute cnut. That's not an opinion, it's an objective fact.
There's also no doubt he's Putins agent. Whether it's from bribery, compromat or both we'll never know but it's obvious. (given that Russian media aired the naked pictures of Melania right after his reelection I'm going for compromat)
Time for the EU and the UK to cut the US out and support Ukraine on their own. Yes it will be difficult and dangerous but no more dangerous than trusting Trump.
There's also no doubt he's Putins agent. Whether it's from bribery, compromat or both we'll never know but it's obvious. (given that Russian media aired the naked pictures of Melania right after his reelection I'm going for compromat)
Time for the EU and the UK to cut the US out and support Ukraine on their own. Yes it will be difficult and dangerous but no more dangerous than trusting Trump.
A man who knows his country has officially been fully infiltrated.
This is absolutely...I almost have no words for it. It's like stepping into a dystopian alternate timeline.
Europe needs to do a Covid emergency like effort and complete flip enormous resources into IT, software and weapons development and production.
Europe needs to do a Covid emergency like effort and complete flip enormous resources into IT, software and weapons development and production.
Rubio gotta be regretting taking up the Sec of State role now. He must have thought it would be like the first Trump admin where he would have more of a free role with Trump distracted by other stuff. But now he would have to rubber stamp this kind of debacle.
If he had balls he should resign today.
Never thought I’d see such disgraceful scenes from the Oval Office.
It is exactly why Trump is barring the AP and trying to change the rules of the press pool. Invite their reporters like dictatorships. So they get friendly questions and assistance publicly like this.
That was insane. Wow.
What an embarrassment. These kind of discussions should be held behind closed doors and then you have the usual diplomatic stuff for the cameras. To have this kind of bust up is amateurish. Clearly targeting and trying to embarrass Zelensky. Trump literally has no clue about diplomacy and that Cnut Vance is the same. It’s like being in the fecking playground with bullies. Fecking cnuts the both of them.
Exactly right. They have left absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind how they were going to treat Ukraine and Zelensky for months. Trump is without question a Putin asset. Just think of what Trump shared with Putin from all those boxes of documents found at Mar-a-lago and what else he's shared and is sharing now.
I did have a thought after watching the ambush again, because that's exactly what it was, it certainly wasn't a joint press conference, that's for sure. I reckon Vance reacted like that because better he did it than Trump. Trump isn't eloquent or clued up about the situation anywhere near enough to argue back coherently or even rationally. More importantly he's not as restrained. Even though Vamce was disgusting in his retort he was still relatively restrained.
We've all seen Trump resort to outright insults or aggressive retorts or just getting up and walking out of interviews when he feels attacked or cornered. He was visibly simmering with rage, hands clasped tightly together, learning forward at times, moving his legs etc. Him losing it would have been far more embarrassing in my honest opinion. Thats no saving grace really though because it was bad enough as it was.
Musk being there with his sunglasses on to cover his giant, rolling ket-eyes would have probably been quite amusing from an outsiders point of view and certainly nowhere near as explosive although equally embarrassing, just in a more incompetent way rather than the coordinated tag team assault from Trump & Vance.
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Yeah, that makes sense, Musk isn't part of the actual White House and they are all horrible, dangerous people anyway.
Europe should absolutely do that. Will they ? I highly doubt it.
Russia wouldn't dare to attack any EU/NATO country with or without US involvement.
Zelenskyy did very well to keep his cool especially with that idiot Vance talking absolute nonsense to him.
I just wish Europe would stand up for itself more so they didn’t need the US half as much.
That is not a gamble I'd take.
Apparently Fox sources are saying that Trump expelled Zelensky from the white house.
People would be absolutely right to claim the rich should pay for it.
I wonder when the dust settles if this will be as seismic as it feels now. This feels like the day that any lingering pretence that Trump can be managed or negotiated with goes out of the window and highlights how pointless the craven ring kissing of Starmer and Macron is.
There’s no negotiation or mitigation possible. The US is run by a lunatic and a mad man whose need today to rub Zelenskyy’s nose in it managed to torpedo his own attempts to extort Ukraine of its resources. This is a man too stupid even to effectively blackmail. Any country that thinks they can ride this out and win him round is deluding themselves.
Unfortunately, Europe has a comically weak crop of leaders across the board. There’s not a single one of them that I think has the mettle to pick up the gauntlet that the US’s dereliction of its role has thrown down.
There’s no negotiation or mitigation possible. The US is run by a lunatic and a mad man whose need today to rub Zelenskyy’s nose in it managed to torpedo his own attempts to extort Ukraine of its resources. This is a man too stupid even to effectively blackmail. Any country that thinks they can ride this out and win him round is deluding themselves.
Unfortunately, Europe has a comically weak crop of leaders across the board. There’s not a single one of them that I think has the mettle to pick up the gauntlet that the US’s dereliction of its role has thrown down.
Think people need to realize that the UK and Europe are two very, very different things right now. UK has clearly shown it will align itself with the US, starmer had the chance to back Canada (you know, the country who’s head of state is the king) and didn’t.
Throwing his toys out his pram.
Kneel before Zod
Point proved, I guess.