Like I said above, this is what 75% of registered voters in the US chose. There is no push back because for the vast majority of the country they are getting what they wanted.
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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Playing tough with your allies and kowtowing to your enemies: the trump way.
The US is not an ally of Ukraine anymore. Or Europe for that matter.
The faceless comms officials responsible for this stuff should be exposed. I don’t care how junior they are, how they were just following orders - their complicity with fascism should haunt them for the rest of their lives.
What in the blue hell is this shit!?!?!
Johnson is pro Trump but also Pro Ukraine. He's probably worried that Trump may betray Ukraine which means he'll have to criticise Trump
Very strange combination of messages here. Using $300 billion in frozen Russian money to support Ukraine in winning the war sounds cool though.
I’m mostly of the view that things are very bad but not fascist bad. Biden and Obama giving Trump a warm welcoming after the election shows imo the warning incoming fascism shtick from democrats is unserious. Even Jon Stewart is questioning this line of attack
But more importantly -
Economy
While Trump words are almost always meaningless the fact he has talked about incoming economic pain for the average American is interesting(Basically prepping for potential austerity)
Currently the tariffs have been more propaganda than substantive. Lots of noise and threats with the odd policy but ultimately Francis Fukuyama lives on to fight another day.
The build back American manufacturing talk seems to have currently been put to the side and replace by Musk firing everyone in government. Even the typical social base of fascism - small business owners are starting again to feel uncertain about the future.
Immigration
Unless the latest numbers have changed the Trump is still lagging behind Biden in terms of daily deportation numbers. Clearly not for the lack of trying and I would expect Trump at some point to deport more people. But the man power needed to reach the insane numbers Trump wants might not be possible and US agriculture work is depended on immigration. There are larger material constraints which will have a massive effect on deportations.
The Guantanamo Bay policy is a repeat from the early 90’s. Even the Children Of Men style deportation videos the White House released were copying Starmer Labour government. Plus the arguing over H-1B visas shows the administration isn’t united together.
So far it fits in with past administrations. Somehow the same but worse.
Foreign Policy
Unsurprisingly Trump has continued to send massive amounts of weapons to Israel(I don’t think anyone doubted that)but there is currently a “ceasefire” in Gaza. I’m not expecting it to last but thats more than anything the Dems did. As for the long term plans it’s a more openly vulgar version of what Biden wanted.
The Ukraine stance was to be expected. America goals were about weapons sales, slowly bleeding the Russian military dry and privatising Ukrainian state owned resources. Trump decided it’s now pay up time. But again this week the labour government has been talking about the opportunities of “reforming” the Ukrainian economy.
The USAid funding is both a cost cutting exercise and playing into the right culture war shtick. It’s potentially something new but unsure how meaningful it is on the fascist topic.
Trumps ramblings of invading Canada and Greenland have seeming gone quiet for now.
So overall my views on the fascism debate haven’t changed much. I don’t currently see the Trump administration attempting to build a fascist supporter base. There’s isn’t a left wing movement to scare the ruling class and the America economy is still producing isolated citizens and a society devoid of mass politics. It’s looking more and more like a supercharged version of the same old republican politics.
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I mean I completely agree with you.
The 2008 Obama deficit spending was due to Global financial crisis and Biden was Covid, both of which were really out of their control.
Ultimately though, I'm challenging the claim that Republicans have way more deficit spending and the Dems way less, which isn't true. Not the context behind it.
Nobody is saying that it wasn't justified.
Just the claim that in recent years GOP have bigger deficit than Dems is just wrong. Regardless of context.
Read the data I posted.
This is some crazy shit
Trump just called Zelenskiy a dictator on Truth Social. 100% because he's been more critical of Trump in the last few days. This was inevitable. He'll do everything he can to ruin Ukraine now.
The question is when will former allies realise it and stop trying to pander to him?
If you accommodate him you let him have his cake and eat it. He’s not going to have any repercussions domestically unless global partners start saying no to him.
I appreciate these patriot nationalists think MAGA is all about rejecting globalism but tough shit they live in a global economy, lets see if they like it if they are isolated from said economy.
Cheers for the reply. Could maybe summarise it by saying that overall his governing is an incoherent mess which cannot be easily pigeonholed into a traditional ideology which is to be expected because he’s actually fairly unique in that if you were to boil him right down I don’t think you would find any interest in politics. Politics at its essence is conflicting ideas about how the world should best be run, with who that benefits being part of the argument. Trump isn’t interested in anything other than himself.
Now I’ve typed that I realise I’ve probably just described him as a conservative but I’m sure you know the point I’m trying to make.
Personally I think that Trump is a very very simple man. He’s transactional and he’s vindictive. Everything he does can be traced back to him needing a personal win.
What he’s got is a bunch of people hanging off his coattails, leveraging those personality traits to their own advantage.
Do I believe he really wants concentration camps full of Arabs and Latinos? Not really. I genuinely don’t think he’s wired that way. I think the way he is wired is to be completely ambivalent to it happening either way. If it he saw an advantage of it happening under his watch he would do it and it would be as significant to him as going for a shit that morning. He wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep over it, not a single twinge of regret.
The problem though is that there are people around him that want all these things so while there might not be a coherent structure of fascism, we could still see all it’s worst aspects.
In addition to that, he’s in his 80’s, eats an exclusively MacDonald’s diet, is clinically obese and likely had a problem with prescription meds and his cognitive decline is there for all to see. If he’s dead within the next 5 years it wouldn’t be a huge surprise nor would him being a dribbling mess in 2 or 3 years so the dismantling of democracy currently happening could serve a genuine fascist dictator - that’s probably my biggest fear right now, Trump is a very short time worry.
Sheer fecking insanity. This lunatic and his enablers are destroying the world.
Just waiting for the first nuke to go off now.
Just waiting for the first nuke to go off now.
Fecking cnut.
The international community let the US sponsor a genocide for over a year and now they're going to do something about the US giving up on ukraine? The feck they will. They will complain, strong words and move on.
Not a fan of The News Agents then...?
Feck this clown.
And all the other clowns who endlessly want to defend wannabe dictator by saying, yeah, but he didn't really mean it. Okay he meant it, but he won't do it, ok he did it, but he didn't do it sincerely.
Can generative AI generate a modern more efficient guilotine for this cnuts?
has trump forgotten Alaska exists? the dumb shit. 55 miles to Russia from there.
That is like something you'd see in The Boys. Unbelievable that it is actually real life.
Exactly, the ones who tried to prevent this voted Harris in November.
You get the president you deserve. At least he’ll run the US into the ground while he’s dismantling Western alliances.
At this point I almost would welcome our new overlords being the Chinese.
Trump is deeply compromised
Make Russia Great Again.
It's been a long term vision - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house
Only a gullible fool would have ignored all the signs. Once Putin said he liked Biden you know it was only to boost Trump for the second go around. The man knows exactly what to say and when to say it - often only betrayed by the shit eating grin. When all the dust has settled it ll be Putin known as the most influential leader of this era, not Trump.
Cheques and bank balances.
Combined with X being part funded by Oligarch's and Tenet Media it's infiltrated right at the top with the aims to destabilise Russian opponents over a long period of time, US included. Brexit is another example of Russia's influence and the current noise around AfD in Germany will no doubt have some Russian involvement.
What we're seeing now is Trump returning the favours. Part of me thinks he wants to let the world burn further so his mates can buy the dips on the market.
Holy projection, Batman.
Yup. Anybody who enjoys this is a fecking horrible human being.
That's a rhetorical question.
and it's not even the right question as for most it is not loyalty to either but instead to their own position and power.
European welfare states have been premised on American defence spending covering our own backsides for 80 years. Wild times ahead, especially given the state of the world economy.
I often see a lot of Americans claim that they pay for our healthcare/public services.
Precisely this. Trump is the useful idiot, as Putin once called him. As you say, totally transactional. The currency he loves most is his ego being stroked. Those around him as well as Americas traditional enemies know how to do this best. We have seen it from Mayor Adams - all his corruption charges dropped because he sucked upto Trump.
We are seeing Project 2025 unfold in front of us. They will remove more and more neutral career civil servants, who have carried out their work in the same way regardless of who was in the Oval and replace them with MAGA loyalists.
Trump is not incharge of this and nor is Musk. They are just distractions. Chaos agents that suck up all the attention while all the harmful executive orders are enacted and departments are closed and budgets stripped without congressional approval. Congress under Republican majority don't wish to be an equal
Once the guardrails are off Trump and the norms have been shattered, it will pave way for a far more dangerous leader to become President.
This comes to mind. The information is there, the people just can't recognize the truth.
The Truman Doctrine was designed to avoid European states falling to Communism when they were struggling to rebuild after the War. It was far from altruistic. If US defence spending protects and rebuilds Europe, then the US has hundreds of millions of potential customers buying American goods and products.