The Trump Presidency - Part 2

I kinda wish he won in 2020 instead. I think the real brains behind this are a lot more weaponised and dangerous this time.

He was an impulsive/unprepared idiot, fumbling around in his first term - now he's a puppet for much more sinister & prepared individuals.
 
This is the tipping point right here. It’s happening now.
Either Europe collectively gets its shit together and fecks off the US in terms of any sort of military alliance or this will all go to shit in the next 20 years and maybe even sooner.
Maga isn’t going anywhere even if trump hits the snooze button . In a few months he’s done stuff that will take a decade to untangle even if the political will is there (which it won’t be)
Anyone remotely sensible should be immediately making plans. Over to you keir.
 
The Purley King said:
This is the tipping point right here. It’s happening now.
Either Europe collectively gets its shit together and fecks off the US in terms of any sort of military alliance or this will all go to shit in the next 20 years and maybe even sooner.
Maga isn’t going anywhere even if trump hits the snooze button . In a few months he’s done stuff that will take a decade to untangle even if the political will is there (which it won’t be)
Anyone remotely sensible should be immediately making plans. Over to you keir.
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The yank military will never allow Trump abandon Europe, they’ll even hang Trump before that happens. However, Europe needs to get its act together and start spending its fair share on keeping Europe safe.
Trump’s making a lot of enemies and not just abroad, this whole episode will come back to bite him on the arse..
 
I'm still hoping that Trump actually has a sensible endgame in mind - which is convince Europe to buckle up their own defense projects so that the US can divert crucial resources, money and assets to the Pacific Theatre.

This might be cope more than anything.
 
WI_Red said:
75% of registered voters either voted for Trump or did not vote.
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Interesting way to frame it.

I’d certainly like to see “mandatory voting” like in Australia.

If I ever see another fair election in this country.

I actually started the first ANTIFA USA Facebook group. As a joke, to show how there was no ANTIFA organization in the US, despite the claims of FoxNews.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I'm still hoping that Trump actually has a sensible endgame in mind - which is convince Europe to buckle up their own defense projects so that the US can divert crucial resources, money and assets to the Pacific Theatre.

This might be cope more than anything.
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I think cutting through the childish & unpresidential spat between Zelensky and Trump, Trump’s trying to play hard ball with Ukraine and try and get them to concede territory, probably the Crimea and the lands occupied pre invasion. Of course the Americans need some kind of back stop for their security as well, and in return access to certain raw materials Ukraine has. That would be my take in a nutshell, Trump playing The Apprentice. His kind of dealing. He’s not a diplomat.
 
Skills said:
I kinda wish he won in 2020 instead. I think the real brains behind this are a lot more weaponised and dangerous this time.

He was an impulsive/unprepared idiot, fumbling around in his first term - now he's a puppet for much more sinister & prepared individuals.
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Yes. I was talking about this the other day with a friend. A reelected Trump in 2020 would have been impotent compared to today with COVID, then the Ukraine invasion then Oct7 and aftermath. He wouldn't have been able to pretend "it wouldn't have if i was President" and his backers wouldn't have had 4 years to propagandize and strategize for 4 years. Biden would likely have been too old and we have had a better Dem nominee that likely would have got elected in 2024 with all the inflation hanging over Trump instead of Biden/Dems.

Hindsight is 20/20 of course but feck me if that wouldn't have been a better reality than what we have today with a weird mercantilist, racist, fascist authoritarian regime
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I'm still hoping that Trump actually has a sensible endgame in mind - which is convince Europe to buckle up their own defense projects so that the US can divert crucial resources, money and assets to the Pacific Theatre.

This might be cope more than anything.
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He doesn't. He never has and never will.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I'm still hoping that Trump actually has a sensible endgame in mind - which is convince Europe to buckle up their own defense projects so that the US can divert crucial resources, money and assets to the Pacific Theatre.

This might be cope more than anything.
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Your attributing the ability to play 4D chess to someone who considers hungry hungry hippo both the epitome of gaming and also a personal mission statement.
 
I had one project going into the 2024 election, which was to turn a lifelong traditional Republican against Donald Trump. I knew it wouldn't be easy, but that it would be doable. But regardless of what I presented to him -- January 6, Ukraine, corrupt self-dealing while in office, scandalous ineptitude as a businessman -- he just wouldn't budge. He put on his lemming blindfold and that was that. And here we are.

And I write these words painfully as someone who worked for Ronald Reagan and although I admitted his flaws as potus, I believe he got more right than wrong and that he would never have countenanced this depraved madness we are witnessing on an hourly basis today.
 
RoyH1 said:
Yes. Does that upset you greatly?
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I’m not 1/32 upset as you are
So, you said the following-
“Indeed. If you're not a healthy, unambiguously white (preferably with strong nordic features), heterosexual male working in the private sector, I think it's not a nice place to be.”

I know tons of people of every race who enjoy this country. I’ve worked in high fashion production, commercial production, low budget theater and film and I’ve been around people who love it here.
 
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TheRedHearted said:
Wow, oh so triggered

“Indeed. If you're not a healthy, unambiguously white (preferably with strong nordic features), heterosexual male working in the private sector, I think it's not a nice place to be.”

I know tons of people of every race who enjoy this country. I’ve worked in high fashion production, commercial production, low budget theater and film and I’ve been around people who love it here.
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Marco Rubio is living a shit life right now. Nancy Pelosi has had it rough these past decades.

Those kind of blanket statements you quoted just furthers anger and divide.
 
Uhhh what?. Where are all my rebel strong independent constitutionalist we don't want no king conservatives at? Anyone?

WH Instagram posting a picture of Trump as king with a crown on his head.

MF ers probably saying "oh haha it triggered the liberals, it's a joke!" But if any Dem would do even 0.1% of the shit this guy does they d be shouting for blood.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I'm still hoping that Trump actually has a sensible endgame in mind - which is convince Europe to buckle up their own defense projects so that the US can divert crucial resources, money and assets to the Pacific Theatre.

This might be cope more than anything.
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How you can think that Trump:

- has a sensible endgame
- playing diplomatic 4D chess
-care about the pacific theater

is beyond me
 
MAGA will be dead after Trump, there's nobody that can get away with half the crap he does, the people behind him have the personality of a wooden spoon but then it requires also for the Dems to sort their act out so, yeah.
 
Precaution said:
MAGA will be dead after Trump, there's nobody that can get away with half the crap he does, the people behind him have the personality of a wooden spoon but then it requires also for the Dems to sort their act out so, yeah.
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The people behind him are the rightwing internet trolls and tech bro billionaires who have captured the zeitgeist.

MAGA is here to stay, as long as there are libs for them to own.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I'm still hoping that Trump actually has a sensible endgame in mind - which is convince Europe to buckle up their own defense projects so that the US can divert crucial resources, money and assets to the Pacific Theatre.

This might be cope more than anything.
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That's not even remotely realistic or sensible.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I'm still hoping that Trump actually has a sensible endgame in mind - which is convince Europe to buckle up their own defense projects so that the US can divert crucial resources, money and assets to the Pacific Theatre.

This might be cope more than anything.
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It strikes me that he just says the first thing that comes into his head at the time and then expects others to sort it out.

I don't see much strategic thinking. Mostly tactical thinking if indeed there is much in the way of thinking that is.
 
Buster15 said:
It strikes me that he just says the first thing that comes into his head at the time and then expects others to sort it out.

I don't see much strategic thinking. Mostly tactical thinking if indeed there is much in the way of thinking that is.
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Exactly this. I'm not John Bolton's biggest fan (far from it), but he has been close to Trump and he summed it up pretty well in this little answer here:



Trump doesn't have strategy, ideology or ideas. Primarily he just has grievances.
 
Trump is a bully, simple as. He wants to be like Putin where has complete power and can shut down opposition and media with a simple stroke. He hasn't got a plan at all. He's riled at Zelensky because he called him out for the disinformation, he didn't like that so now he's going into full attack mode with insults. Trump simply though Zelensky would crumble and sign anything. It's great to see him standing up to him. More people should be calling him out at Putin's bitch. And I agree with others, Europe needs to get its act together.

In his first term, he had Cabinet appointees such as Bolton etc who weren't the greatest people but understood how Government and diplomacy worked. In this term, he's literally appointed the lowest of the low e.g tv presenters, Gubbard etc. They will do as he says and there is no one to hold him back. The lack of opposition and checks and balances is a failure of the whole country itself. With poor journalism contributing to that. I'm not sure how anyone will take Trump down unless he self implodes. You would hope there are still some politicians out there with backbone but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Exactly this. I'm not John Bolton's biggest fan (far from it), but he has been close to Trump and he summed it up pretty well in this little answer here:



Trump doesn't have strategy, ideology or ideas. Primarily he just has grievances.
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Yep, spot on, but Trump and his cronies have learned how to rouse a base and understand how easily manipulated and frankly, stupid, they really are and is now the man. Which is all he's ever wanted to be. The man.

Cnut.
 
afrocentricity said:
utter fcuking idiots....... sane Americans, take back your country please?
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Too late, it's gone. It's a dictatorship now and none of his supporters seem to have a problem with it.

Trump has never made any bones about looking up to fellow dictators like Putin and Kim. He's convinced his base that they're strong leaders who look out for their people first and that's how he's sold himself to them.
 
Buster15 said:
It strikes me that he just says the first thing that comes into his head at the time and then expects others to sort it out.

I don't see much strategic thinking. Mostly tactical thinking if indeed there is much in the way of thinking that is.
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That's exactly what he does. Trump to me doesn't understand the position he holds. He's no statesman and he's not a diplomat. So he reverts to the only thing he has experience with which is business. He approaches every problem and situation like it's a business deal. Which is inevitably the wrong approach 9 times out of 10.

He doesn't seem to realize or care that his words and actions as president of the US have consequences. He just sees this as an opportunity to play President in the biggest reality TV show ever.
 
At this rate, the Western world is not going to survive in at least a decent truce one month more.
 
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