The Trump Presidency - Part 2

[Zehner]

Of course, I mean if the economic hardship brought on by Trumps actions is still present shortly before and during the next election cycle. If it picks back up, he will just be considered a genius.

Even if the tariffs stay in place and prices keep increasing, if the situation hasn't worsened for a year or so by the time of the mid-terms, I think he could pull-off a successful distraction maneuver. But I'm not really sure either, as it seems what decided the recent election in his favor was that the average citizen expected to have more in their own pockets under his governance so the tariffs could indeed be a huge own and I'm just too pessimistic at this stage.

One way or another, I hope the Dems have learned a lesson from this election, focus on topics that are relevant to the people and hammer the point home that Trump's decision have had terrible effects on their wealth and will continue to do so.

 

[prateik]

We have just signed a Danish LWB called Patrick Chinazaekpere Dorgu.

China is taking over the Danish names.. Rubio might be on to something.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Hasn’t Rand Paul always been at least outwardly principled around his libertarian bullshit?

Yeah, he’s a pretty consistent right-libertarian in terms of his economic views.

 

[Carolina Red]

Hasn’t Rand Paul always been at least outwardly principled around his libertarian bullshit?

I’m referring to him saying something I agree with

 

[RoyH1]

Maybe that’s the play. Use some bogus justification to try to invoke Article 5 or something to attack Mexico. When the rest of NATO rightly turns around and tells him to feck off, use it as pretext to withdraw from NATO.

After the press release/tweet from the Mexican president I think the previously unthinkable scenario of America attacking it's neighbour might just become a reality. She was respectful but held nothing back when it came to calling the US out for their shortcomings on the matter of narcotics trade and consumption.

 

[Red in STL]

The question is of they will remember this. Two years is a lot of time to get used to price increases and who knows with which topics Trump is going to distract from his own failure by then.

There's one price increase that stays embedded in American's heads and is the most visible

Trump just added 10% to it's cost which will hit hard in the midwest more than anywhere else

 

[TheGame]

 

[thisisnottaken1]

Literal economic warfare.

 

[Mike Smalling]

He’s playing international politics like it’s a game of Monopoly. Like a child. How I wish someone would call him out like he deserves.

 

[Rob]

same playbook as with Greenland.

“I want it and I’ll punish you if you say no”

 

[Redplane]

Someone should ask him why he keeps doing things to make it harder for others and making it easier for Israel and Russia to keep doing their things.

P.s. thanks and not thanks for posting link to https://trumptyrannytracker.substack.com/

It's so much more insane than we can reasonably keep track of. Some truly frightening things in there and a lot of it barely makes the news amongst everything else.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Even if the tariffs stay in place and prices keep increasing, if the situation hasn't worsened for a year or so by the time of the mid-terms, I think he could pull-off a successful distraction maneuver. But I'm not really sure either, as it seems what decided the recent election in his favor was that the average citizen expected to have more in their own pockets under his governance so the tariffs could indeed be a huge own and I'm just too pessimistic at this stage.

One way or another, I hope the Dems have learned a lesson from this election, focus on topics that are relevant to the people and hammer the point home that Trump's decision have had terrible effects on their wealth and will continue to do so.

Your last paragraph is key to determine how the consequences of Trump's actions are interpreted. The Dems need a strong and likeable leader who inspires confidence.

 

[matherto]

Someone should ask him why he keeps doing things to make it harder for others and making it easier for Israel and Russia to keep doing their things.

P.s. thanks and not thanks for posting link to https://trumptyrannytracker.substack.com/

It's so much more insane than we can reasonably keep track of. Some truly frightening things in there and a lot of it barely makes the news amongst everything else.

Nah, cause it'll result in absolutely nothing, just the people who his fans being exasperated but ultimately completely toothless.

He's won, the alt-right has won.

 

[The Firestarter]

FAO Canadians here, is the 51st state idea as ridiculous as it sounds to us across the pond posters ?

 

[Cloud7]

I genuinely cannot believe that the U.S. president posted something like this. You wouldn’t even think that someone like Putin or Xi would put out a public statement like this. Fecking hell.

And of course there will be people trying to minimize this and say he is “trolling” but I do not think that he is.

 

[Twisted_Woody]

Is he going to invade and start bombing and killing us?

 

[Cheimoon]

UAW backs Trump's tariffs.

It's predictable but also a consistent viewpoint. Anything to help the workers they represent. And overall, they're right that globalization has been a race to the bottom in terms of workers' rights and conditions. Personally, I might be able to get behind some kind of tariff on goods that are produced through unacceptable working conditions (safety, wage, etc.).

But of course, that's not what this is, and Trump doesn't give a feck about workers (as the UAW also says).

Funnily, if Canada became part of the US, it would probably be as a bunch of separate states. Given they would all vote Democratic (well, maybe a Republican here and there in the Prairies), that would put the GOP out of business in Washington for a while. I can't see a party that doesn't want to give representation to Washington DC or Puerto Rico for exactly that reason want Canada to be part of the US.

 

[klsv]

This is very Putin.

 

[Revan]

It's predictable but also a consistent viewpoint. Anything to help the workers they represent. And overall, they're right that globalization has been a race to the bottom in terms of workers' rights and conditions. Personally, I might be able to get behind some kind of tariff on goods that are produced through unacceptable working conditions (safety, wage, etc.).

But of course, that's not what this is, and Trump does give a feck about workers (as the UAW also says).

Funnily, if Canada became part of the US, it would probably be as a bunch of separate states. Given they would all vote Democratic (well, maybe a Republican here and there in the Prairies), that would put the GOP out of business in Washington for a while. I can't see a party that doesn't want to give representation to Washington DC or Puerto Rico for exactly that reason want Canada to be part of the US.

I think Trump wants Canada to join as a single state, not a bunch of states. Their population is just 1m larger than California’s and their economy is significantly smaller.

 

[Cheimoon]

I think Trump wants Canada to join as a single state, not a bunch of states. Their population is just 1m larger than California’s and their economy is significantly smaller.

I suppose. But it's a lot larger in population than most US states, plus of course the geographical size wouldn't make sense.

Anyway, it's not happening. All this will just turn Canada to find other allies. It's a lot harder geographically, but if you can't trust the US, you have to look elsewhere.

 

[Red in STL]

It's predictable but also a consistent viewpoint. Anything to help the workers they represent. And overall, they're right that globalization has been a race to the bottom in terms of workers' rights and conditions. Personally, I might be able to get behind some kind of tariff on goods that are produced through unacceptable working conditions (safety, wage, etc.).

But of course, that's not what this is, and Trump does give a feck about workers (as the UAW also says).

Funnily, if Canada became part of the US, it would probably be as a bunch of separate states. Given they would all vote Democratic (well, maybe a Republican here and there in the Prairies), that would put the GOP out of business in Washington for a while. I can't see a party that doesn't want to give representation to Washington DC or Puerto Rico for exactly that reason want Canada to be part of the US.

Workers rights and conditions?

They barely exist in the US yet every other major western country manages to have them, that's corporate America for you

 

[Cheimoon]

Workers rights and conditions?

They barely exist in the US yet every other major western country manages to have them, that's corporate America for you

Sorry, I meant to write that Trump does not give a feck about workers' rights!

 

[Red in STL]

This is very Putin.

It's nothing new, he's said this multiple times in the past along with the drug and border security thing

 

[IncyWincySpider]

This is very Putin.

It's Putin rhetoric for a sesame street audience.

 

[utdalltheway]

100 pages of this thread already and we're only 2 weeks into this.
This shit show is not going away.

 

[shabadu84]

Is he going to invade and start bombing and killing us?

That's exactly the kind of rhetoric politicians should be using if they want to hit back. The feckless Dems won't do it but maybe the Canadian politicians will.

 

[Red in STL]

Sorry, I meant to write that Trump does not give a feck about workers' rights!

Of course he doesn't, but your point about maybe supporting tariffs against goods that athe products made in prisore produced through unacceptable working conditions (safety, wage, etc.) - that applies to the US big time, particuarly thru prison labor that some would argue is little more than slave labor

Just to name a few, 36% of home appliances produced domestically, 21% of office furniture, 92% of stove assembly, food processing for McDonald's, Wendy's, Walmart, Target and a whole host of other stuff

 

[Cheimoon]

Of course he doesn't, but your point about maybe supporting tariffs against goods that athe products made in prisore produced through unacceptable working conditions (safety, wage, etc.) - that applies to the US big time, particuarly thru prison labor that some would argue is little more than slave labor

Just to name a few, 36% of home appliances produced domestically, 21% of office furniture, 92% of stove assembly, food processing for McDonald's, Wendy's, Walmart, Target and a whole host of other stuff

Ah, right. I don't know enough about the US labour situation, but it doesn't surprise me.

I did know about prison work btw, but not the extent of it. That's messed up.

 

[Man of Leisure]

I think Trump wants Canada to join as a single state, not a bunch of states. Their population is just 1m larger than California’s and their economy is significantly smaller.

Doubt it, that'd be a lot of electoral votes.

 

[Precaution]

I think I'd rather Putin in charge at this point, seems a little more stable

 

[Revan]

I suppose. But it's a lot larger in population than most US states, plus of course the geographical size wouldn't make sense.

Anyway, it's not happening. All this will just turn Canada to find other allies. It's a lot harder geographically, but if you can't trust the US, you have to look elsewhere.

What I think will happen is that the tariffs will hurt Canada’s economy and the party in power will be in an even bigger free fal calling for snap elections. Then the conservatives win with a very large majority, and Trump with Poilievre find a solution withdrawing both tariffs.

 

[FriedClams]

It’s just Insane. Trump loves tariffs because it worked pretty well for a president over 100 years ago, back when the population was 70 million or so.

Gonna have to be careful what he wishes for, Canada has enough oil and LNG that if they elect the conservatives, Canada can stick the middle finger up to the US… they’ll have plenty of interest in their national resources.

 

[Cheimoon]

What I think will happen is that the tariffs will hurt Canada’s economy and the party in power will be in an even bigger free fal calling for snap elections. Then the conservatives win with a very large majority, and Trump with Poilievre find a solution withdrawing both tariffs.

It's not so obvious. First, elections are coming already anyway, it's pretty much unavoidable right now - within a few weeks after parliament reconvenes at the end of March. And with Trudeau gone, Poilievre's win might be less big than the polls currently suggest.

That's more for the Canadian Politics thread though. What's more relevant here is that conservatives don't necessarily play nice together. Ontario PM Doug Ford is a conservative, and he's the strongest advocate for a very hard response to the US. And he just called a snap election himself and will most likely be re-elected with a strong majority. So we'll have to see where it all goes.

 

[VorZakone]

 

[Red in STL]

Ah, right. I don't know enough about the US labour situation, but it doesn't surprise me.

I did know about prison work btw, but not the extent of it. That's messed up.

I was gobsmacked at the extent of the prison labor stuff, like most I suspect it, liecense plates is qhat came to mind

Regarding workers rights, there are actually very few mandated in law

There is no federal law requiring employers to offer bereavement leave, The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) does not require payment for time off for funerals

Maternity leave is mandated at 12 weeks but that isn't guaranteed paid leave, even just vacation time, whilst some states do have laws, federally there is no law that mandates that an employer has to offer any paid time off

 

[Kinsella]

Even if the tariffs stay in place and prices keep increasing, if the situation hasn't worsened for a year or so by the time of the mid-terms, I think he could pull-off a successful distraction maneuver. But I'm not really sure either, as it seems what decided the recent election in his favor was that the average citizen expected to have more in their own pockets under his governance so the tariffs could indeed be a huge own and I'm just too pessimistic at this stage.

One way or another, I hope the Dems have learned a lesson from this election, focus on topics that are relevant to the people and hammer the point home that Trump's decision have had terrible effects on their wealth and will continue to do so.

That would require them to actually grapple with and accept a lot of the issues that have led to much of Trump’s popularity. I doubt they’re capable of that…at least not yet.

 

[VorZakone]

That would require them to actually grapple with and accept a lot of the issues that have led to much of Trump’s popularity. I doubt they’re capable of that…at least not yet.

 

[Pav1878]

FAO Canadians here, is the 51st state idea as ridiculous as it sounds to us across the pond posters ?

I always thought Israel as the 51sr state? Surely Canada would be 52nd? Or possibly even 53rd if you count the UK too?

 

[Cheimoon]

I always thought Israel as the 51sr state? Surely Canada would be 52nd? Or possibly even 53rd if you count the UK too?

We could first count Washington DC and Puerto Rico, if we go down that road. And some other territories the US have.

 

[utdalltheway]

They're still talking about gender balance? They need to be hitting the issues that matter to most Americans.