The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated
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Yeah I don't disagree. I was just highlighting the immortality of it all.
Right, but someone should've followed up on that answer. Let him elaborate more on his concerns about the future of this investigation.
Apparently Trump and his administration are Under Siege.
Steven Segal is scheduled for a meeting tomorrow morning.
Nope. Interesting that it is taking him so long to figure out what he wants to say.
It's quite interesting because Comey called out Trump for being a liar. Now, if they come out and just gloat that Trump isn't personally under investigation, that'd also be a tacit agreement about the liar thing and we know Don ain't gonna let that slide.
Fox and the right wing personalities on social media are running with Lynch's characterisation. We'll see if that's the angle they try to push.
You don't have point, you are just slandering. A bribe is a crime that is defined, like MTF said you can consider that politicians(futur, present or ex) shouldn't talk to bankers or industrials in exchange of remuneration but it doesn't make it a crime. To be a crime, an official action need to exists.
The biggest and most concerning takeaway from that testimony is that the justice department is corrupt.
Definitely, I imagine the WH council is involved in discussions too.
Did I just read this correctly?
You are arguing against FBI investigating suspect, just because he happens to be the president? And that is anti-democratic?
And banks don't influence elections? When/what example of that happening do you have in mind? Lots of PAC/donors spend money on advertising campaigns trying to convince voters, but no one spends money to directly influence elections (Other than Russia, ofc)!
Trump is going to need a narrative for the rest of Comey's testimony as well. They will certainely try and attack his credibility further but that is only going to help if they can explain and 'correct' Comey's interpretation of what was taking place in those meetings. Since the most damning thing about them is the combination of different aspects (insisted on one-on-one, different expressions chosen, political context) into one picture they need to try to deflect from that overall view and separate the discussion to these aspects individually. E.g. one-on-one is what he did as CEO and was necessary because of constant leaking, his "hope that Comey can let Flynn go" was just that with no additional implication whatsoever etc.
He knows exactly what he wants to say. He's just trying to convince Trump of it.
Hey @Raoul what did you make of that? (genuine question)
Pretty much what I thought I would. Comey came out and said Trump lied about him and that he thought Trump wanted him to obstruct Justice by asking for loyalty in exchange for being able to keep his job. If Mueller gets anything out of this as he starts his investigation, its that Trump attempted to shut down an investigation by getting the FBI Director to pledge loyalty to him. That is sufficient for obstruction of justice, in addition to all the other things Mueller will be looking at (Collusion etc). Since we're just at the beginning of what will likely be a 2-3 year process, I'd say its pretty ominous for Trump.
You have an uncanny ability to miss a point. Not sure if your deliberately being obtuse or you unable to comprehend basic premises.
I'm not arguing about legal language as I made clear and agreed with MTF.
Kasowitz is going in hard on Comey.
Need to get Trump and his gang under oath. They'll all perjure themselves in about 10 seconds.
Did I just read this correctly?
You are arguing against FBI investigating suspect, just because he happens to be the president? And that is anti-democratic?
Yes I am. Impeding the democratically elected president does seem undemocratic. It's not too dissimilar to a military coup. The presidential position or leader of any nation usually comes with certain priviledges and that usually includes discretion.
Politicians get billions from various industricies to buy political favour/policy and influence elections.
Anyway technically the US has had foreign influence in it's elections for decades. The Israel Lobby has tried to influence elections and buy political favour. How is this that much different?
How is doing a dirty deal with Russia any worse than doing dirty deals with Saudi? Or Israel? Or Pinochet? Or Saddam? And I'm not pro-Russia, I'm anti-Republican, but I'm also anti-hypocricy.
Trump under oath would be hilarious, he'd lie about 50 times in the first 5 minutes, beaming at the fact he's under oath and it will make people believe him even more.
I haven't really followed the nuances of this, just the main themes but can someone please explain why everybody is making a big deal of whether or not Trump was being investigated? Wtf does it matter. I thought the entire issue was whether or not Trump told Comey to drop the Flynn thing. Why are Republicans shouting 'AT LAST, CONFIRMATION THAT TRUMP WASN'T UNDER INVESTIGATION!!!!'
Because distraction is the Republican MO.
WTF?! So you think there should be absolutely no oversight over the President, and he should never be questioned if it seems he may have acted illegally?
No.
Our constitution does not give the executive branch free rein to do whatever it pleases. We have checks and balances for a reason.
Has been for decades
Did you see his "questions"?
It was painful. He didn't seem to realise that the Clinton investigation had nothing to do with the Russia investigation.
The president is subject to the Law, the FBI is in charge of enforcing the law.
Impeachment
I understand the point you are trying to make but you did argue about legal language when you talked about "abusing justice", "legalising bribe" and "corruption".
We should probably move on though.
I think it was an internal battle between John "I fecking hate Trump" McCain and John " Im a Republican god dammit" McCain and the latter won just about.
Battle must have been explosive, he looked confused, spent and traumatised...
I honestly think he's at least partially lost his marbles.
Either that or it was a genius distraction tactic.
Jesus every second advert on US TV is for some kind of pharma.
Most likely ED meds
So you disagree with impeachment of Clinton and say Nixon (if not for resignation) ?
Impeachment is nothing like a coup. When a democratically elected president breaks the law, impeachment is the way out. You can't have anyone beyond the law. Presidency without impeach ability is dictatorship. Only dictators cant be impeached.
People can elect and same people can choose to replace their representative if needed. You're taking away the right to vote for a new president.
The amount of times I've heard 'one inch incision!' tonight you could be onto something there.
Was death amongst the possible side effects?
There was a small group chanting around a big TRUMP written in dry ice right in middle of union square today. They were chanting 'This too shall pass'. Not sure if that was pro or anti Trump.
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