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Member 5225 said:
Ok fair enough - I do get your point, but if that's how you feel, why give fuel to the other side (i.e. 'look you guys are acting like petulant children too, so watch us come down on you') rather than just be grown-up about the whole thing?

Regardless of what we actually believe - to be fair, the other side were on the sidelines for 8years with not even nearly this level of aggression towards, clearly an administration they disliked.
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The definition of "yeah, but no". They literally made a virtue out of saying Obama wasn't an American.
 
Crossie said:
How about your Dad's, Mom's, Grandparents'?
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Was tongue-in-cheek, hence "my finances" and not "me". My parents are fine by the way, thanks.

I do worry about how much I will be taxed in my life to pay for initially underfunded/miscalculated benefits programs, and to what level is it justifiable? And will we ever get through the dense political swamp that stands between us and rebalancing those programs?

But I claim no expertise on Obamacare specifically, more a broad comment about Social Security and Medicare. Our population is not going to get any younger.
 
Member 5225 said:
Ok fair enough - I do get your point, but if that's how you feel, why give fuel to the other side (i.e. 'look you guys are acting like petulant children too, so watch us come down on you') rather than just be grown-up about the whole thing?

Regardless of what we actually believe - to be fair, the other side were on the sidelines for 8years with not even nearly this level of aggression towards, clearly an administration they disliked.
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because deep down, they knew that Obama at least had a brain in his head
 
berbatrick said:
This is on Hillary
Berta Cáceres court papers show murder suspects' links to US-trained elite troops


The Honduran environmental activist’s killing a year ago bears the hallmarks of a ‘well-planned operation designed by military intelligence’ says legal source
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...litary-intelligence-us-trained-special-forces
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I read through the article and it doesn't mention Hillary Clinton once. Did she know about this assassination?
 
fishfingers15 said:
I read through the article and it doesn't mention Hillary Clinton once. Did she know about this assassination?
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Of course not. But there is no bad event in Latin America that is out of reach for those who push the idea that the US is the doer of all evil in the regions, and locals have no agency to do harm themselves.
 
MTF said:
Of course not. But there is no bad event in Latin America that is out of reach for those who push the idea that the US is the doer of all evil in the regions, and locals have no agency to do harm themselves.
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True, but we've given our detractors a lot of rope to hang us with... pre-Obama at least.
 
MTF said:
Of course not. But there is no bad event in Latin America that is out of reach for those who push the idea that the US is the doer of all evil in the regions, and locals have no agency to do harm themselves.
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There was a coup in a state which gets civilian and military support from the US.
After the coup, there was violent repression of environmentalists, unionists, feminists, and LGBT activists.
The aid continued.

As I said, part of the aid was military. If the US-trained and funded soldiers killed a political opponent, as that article suggests, I guess it's conjecture to blame the architect of US policy....
 
berbatrick said:
There was a coup in a state which gets civilian and military support from the US.
After the coup, there was violent repression of environmentalists, unionists, feminists, and LGBT activists.
The aid continued.

As I said, part of the aid was military. If the US-trained and funded soldiers killed a political opponent, as that article suggests, I guess it's conjecture to blame the architect of US policy....
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Do Hondurans get a say in this? Or are they just split between angels and puppets?
 
MTF said:
Do Hondurans get a say in this? Or are they just split between angels and puppets?
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Of course they do. So does the US, and its SoS, who has gone on record defending her actions during that coup.
 
Not picking on Trump for once...

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MTF said:
Of course not. But there is no bad event in Latin America that is out of reach for those who push the idea that the US is the doer of all evil in the regions, and locals have no agency to do harm themselves.
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"Those who push that idea" are now such a tiny, out dated minority, and you should make that clear. Actually living here and having done so most my life, I would go as far to say Latinos in general by far are overly self conscious of their shortcomings and very much look up to America and Europe as a model to be followed and admired.

That is such an out dated cliche you are pushing.
 
Raoul said:
All over the news now. The first signs of a crack in his holy policy triumvirate - Immigration, Wall, Obamacare. The other two will follow soon.
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Yeah he's already admitting that healthcare is much more complex than he thought.
 
GiddyUp said:
Next time you go into a professional setting you sit like that Paz, see how you get on.
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I don't like the girl but I sit in plenty of professional meetings and people sit like this routinely. It's a sofa. Get comfy. There are sticks to beat her with but this isn't one of them.
 
Neutral said:
There is no such thing as being Pro-Palestinian in the US State Dept. Kerry merely pretended to be 'neutral' in some instances. Have a quick look to see how much money Israel got in the last 8 years, let alone the last 70.
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It wasn't always so, but yeah since the mid-70s and especially since the Clinton administration this has been the case.

A couple of reviews of a book on the subject of the so-called 'Arabists' who were influential in the State Department during the 50s and 60s:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1993-12-01/arabists-romance-american-elite
http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/reader/archives/endangered-species-the-arabists/
 
Can't stand Kellyanne and her lies.But come on that picture is hardly worth the attention from the etiquette police
 
2cents said:
It wasn't always so, but yeah since the mid-70s and especially since the Clinton administration this has been the case.

A couple of reviews of a book on the subject of the so-called 'Arabists' who were influential in the State Department during the 50s and 60s:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1993-12-01/arabists-romance-american-elite
http://martinkramer.org/sandbox/reader/archives/endangered-species-the-arabists/
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I really shouldn't have been that broad with my post - as you point out, there was a time when things were more 'even'.

I mean the decision Obama made which made the right/left/zionists and everyone go mental was essentially something even Reagan and others said. Yet, Obama got hammered and made into some huge Israel hater :lol:
 
Sultan said:
She's acting like a child without a care of his/her surroundings or guests.
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I actually find it a little endearing how casual/comfortable she is there. I used to love pictures of Obama and co in a more relaxed mode within the White House. Then I remember who she is, what she does and who she's working for :(
 
Source: Trump would like to see compromise immigration bill

By Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer, CNN

Official: Trump eager for immigration bill 02:06


The President envisions a bill where those who haven't committed any serious crimes could stay in the US legally

Trump does not see the bill as something that would necessarily upset his base

(CNN)President Donald Trump is eager to pass an immigration bill, a senior administration official told reporters Tuesday.

The President is thinking about adding the topic to his speech tonight to a joint session of Congress, though either way an immigration bill remains a desire for his first term. The topic of enforcing current immigration laws is already in the speech, the official said. The President believes that the nation is now in a position where it can pass immigration legislation, the senior administration official said, with the need to have "a softening on both sides. There's got to be a coming together."

A path to citizenship for those in the country illegally would not be part of Trump's vision for this deal, with the possible exception of "Dreamers" -- those brought into the US illegally as children. The President envisions a bill where those who haven't committed any serious crimes could stay in the US legally, holding a job and paying taxes, without having to worry about being deported.

The President does not see the bill as something that would necessarily upset his base, since both sides would need to compromise. "It has to be a negotiation," the official said, arguing that the bill theoretically could make people on both the "far right" and "far left" happy.
"It could be good for everyone," the senior administration official said. "People are exhausted" from debating the topic.
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Shame no one thought of anything like this before....

No wait, they did. GOP bastards should compromise with Trump on this - will they?
 
berbatrick said:
This is on Hillary
Berta Cáceres court papers show murder suspects' links to US-trained elite troops


The Honduran environmental activist’s killing a year ago bears the hallmarks of a ‘well-planned operation designed by military intelligence’ says legal source
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...litary-intelligence-us-trained-special-forces
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We've been training non-US special force units since the 1950's.

And wait....Sgt Javier Hernandez is involved?

Though in truth in the Honduran military wanted her dead, they really did not need that much special training.
 
I had a lesson tonight with an Italian stockbroker who's keenly awaiting tonight's speech. He said "buy on rumours, sell on news" :D They're expecting a 2-3% drop in the markets on foot of the speech. He said he's taken a "shock position", but honestly I don't know what that means!
 
Pexbo said:
I actually find it a little endearing how casual/comfortable she is there. I used to love pictures of Obama and co in a more relaxed mode within the White House. Then I remember who she is, what she does and who she's working for :(
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Personally, I'd only find it endearing if it was one of Trump's grandchildren. How can one be so comfortable in your boss's office? This is the Presidents office. Surely there should be protocols to follow?

Personally, I'd find unethical even in my own house sitting in such a position in front of invited guests.
 
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