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fishfingers15 said:
If the black voters don't turn up for Clinton or any Dem candidate against a racist xenophobe and demagogue, then it's not really a viable strategy for Dems to follow. I don't know what you are on about, because in the primaries, Dem black voters were her firewall. Go to any Sanders rally (I've been to one), you can only find white liberals and young voters. Sorry, I call bullshit.
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Considering almost 50% of the entire country didn't vote, you can hardly just blame black voters.
2/3 of white female voters voted for Trump instead of Hillary, that's a much more worrying statistic.

Considering the amount of white liberals in comparison to black people, population wise, it's no surprise. But at his rally's in cities with more ethnic representation you'd often find masses of people of colour. I know because of my friends who've been to multiple. Sorry, I call bullshit also.
 
vi1lain said:
Nope. There were a few protestors at his rally's & and he thanked them and allowed them to speak and get their message across.
Bernie has a long Civil Rights track record, black millennials love him.
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Jesus, stop re-writing history. He lost to Clinton because of black votes. She picked up all the southern states with her turnout of black votes. We had running arguments about black people supporting Clinton who was working for Goldwater than Bernie Sanders who was arrested for protesting for equality.
 
vi1lain said:
Considering almost 50% of the entire country didn't vote, you can hardly just blame black voters.
2/3 of white female voters voted for Trump instead of Hillary, that's a much more worrying statistic.

Considering the amount of white liberals in comparison to black people, population wise, it's no surprise. But at his rally's in cities with more ethnic representation you'd often find masses of people of colour. I know because of my friends who've been to multiple. Sorry, I call bullshit also.
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Of course, all my friends supported Bernie Sanders, so black people would have voted for Sanders than Clinton. End of argument I suppose.
 
vi1lain said:
This has nothing to do with his anti-islamic rhetoric though, that's just a baseless and lazy argument. /s
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It's actually the opposite and has everything to do with his anti muslim rhetoric. The discrimination against minorities and other ethnic background will only get worse from now on.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Of course, all my friends supported Bernie Sanders, so black people would have voted for Sanders than Clinton. End of argument I suppose.
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It depends strongly on age, as usual. He won a small majority of black millennials, so if @vi1lain is of the correct age, that's what s/he would see.

And I saw your earlier post, so this applies there too. He lost to Clinton because of people over 45. He won under 45s. Age was the strongest indication of support.
 
berbatrick said:
It depends strongly on age, as usual. He won a small majority of black millennials, so if @vi1lain is of the correct age, that's what s/he would see.

And I saw your earlier post, so this applies there too. He lost to Clinton because of people over 45. He won under 45s. Age was the strongest indication of support.
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Have you got a link to polling on this? I've been looking around for something that has a combined age and race crosstab recently but haven't been able to find one.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Jesus, stop re-writing history. He lost to Clinton because of black votes. She picked up all the southern states with her turnout of black votes. We had running arguments about black people supporting Clinton who was working for Goldwater than Bernie Sanders who was arrested for protesting for equality.
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Nobody's re-writing history what are you talking about. He also lost to Hillary because of the DNC. Why you're only trying to pin it on black votes is baffling, there's plenty more indicators such as age, religion, level of education etc.

I didn't say black people didn't vote for Hillary at all. In comparison to Obama, less black people voted for a white woman who referred to black youths as "super predators" and who's husband enacted a very controversial bill that targeted their communities. Is that a surprise?
And as I said before, the majority of white women - the very demographic that Hillary is - voted for Trump. This is much more worrying than the black vote.

fishfingers15 said:
Of course, all my friends supported Bernie Sanders, so black people would have voted for Sanders than Clinton. End of argument I suppose.
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I was simply implying that your individual experiences aren't worth more than mine or anyone else's. Just because you witnessed mostly white liberals at the one rally you went to and others you may have saw, doesn't negate my experiences either.

entropy said:
It's actually the opposite and has everything to do with his anti muslim rhetoric. The discrimination against minorities and other ethnic background will only get worse from now on.
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I was being sarcastic hence the /s, you caught the bait.
 
vi1lain said:
Nobody's re-writing history what are you talking about. He also lost to Hillary because of the DNC. Why you're only trying to pin it on black votes is baffling, there's plenty more indicators such as age, religion, level of education etc.

I didn't say black people didn't vote for Hillary at all. In comparison to Obama, less black people voted for a white woman who referred to black youths as "super predators" and who's husband enacted a very controversial bill that targeted their communities. Is that a surprise?
And as I said before, the majority of white women - the very demographic that Hillary is - voted for Trump. This is much more worrying than the black vote.



I was simply implying that your individual experiences aren't worth more than mine or anyone else's. Just because you witnessed mostly white liberals at the one rally you went to and others you may have saw, doesn't negate my experiences either.



I was being sarcastic hence the /s, you caught the bait.
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You know it's over right?
 
Ubik said:
Have you got a link to polling on this? I've been looking around for something that has a combined age and race crosstab recently but haven't been able to find one.
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It's dicey, but this is one, which is an examination of all exit polls. He had higher approval ratings from black millennials too.
From opinion (not exit) pols, the effect was pronounced once the horse had bolted - the nice ones were mid-April. I think it would be fair to say he atleast drew under 30, was competitive under 45, and was blown away 45+ among blacks, corresponding perfectly with the overall effect (like Clinton in the GE) winning under 45s.
 
I'm increasingly confident Trump is turning back to his NE liberal ways. The Alt-Right/Ann Coulter/David Duke crowd may be a bit disappointed about building walls, mass deportations, banning muslims etc.
 
I didn't say black people didn't vote for Hillary at all. In comparison to Obama, less black people voted for a white woman who referred to black youths as "super predators" and who's husband enacted a very controversial bill that targeted their communities. Is that a surprise?
And as I said before, the majority of white women - the verydemographic that Hillary is - voted for Trump. This is much more worrying than the black vote.


This North and South
 
Raoul said:
I'm increasingly confident Trump is turning back to his NE liberal ways. The Alt-Right/Ann Coulter/David Duke crowd may be a bit disappointed about building walls, mass deportations, banning muslims etc.
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What makes you so confident? Hasn't he just appointed one of the biggest climate change deniers around to a top position?
 
I'm going to stick my neck out and predict he'll be quite a good President. No where near hated as much as he is now, in 4 years.
 
kps88 said:
To be fair, his was a call to question the electoral college system. The protests I'm seeing now are just people unhappy at the result. Would have been a far more constructive protest if they went after the system, redistricting, minority voter suppression etc.
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I think the protests are probably a mixed bag but there's definitely some hypocrisy from his acolytes telling people to shut up and accept the result when Trump himself urged people to "march on Washington" after a result didn't go the way he wanted.

The fact that the college system he protested so bitterly about was critical in him winning the election just adds another layer of irony to the whole thing.
 
elnorte said:
What makes you so confident? Hasn't he just appointed one of the biggest climate change deniers around to a top position?
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Just a general impression of what he really believes. A vast majority of the stuff he said during the campaign was as the right wing character he created to appeal to the right leaning electorate he was trying to use to win the Presidency. Trump himself is a moderate - a non-ideologue who does deals with people to advance his objectives.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Of the 34 (?) seats up for grab in the Senate, 24 are Democratic.

People like Joe Manchin, Heidi Heitkamp, Mary Landrieu are more likely to work with Republicans than Democrats in the upcoming administration anyway, if they get re-elected.

No matter how you slice it, we are fecked.
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Even only needing a couple of seats to flip the balance, looking at the states that are up for grabs in 2018 doesn't fill one with confidence.

Maybe Nevada, Arizona and if they can get a Dem instead of the independent person from Maine. Big ifs.

Even if Ted Cruz is out in Texas I would expect a Republican to replace him.
 
JustAFan said:
Even only needing a couple of seats to flip the balance, looking at the states that are up for grabs in 2018 doesn't fill one with confidence.

Maybe Nevada, Arizona and if they can get a Dem instead of the independent person from Maine. Big ifs.

Even if Ted Cruz is out in Texas I would expect a Republican to replace him.
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I expect another red wave tbh. Democratic turn out is depressingly shit in midterms and they simply don't have the infrastructure of personnel in place to mount challenges in red states. Scrapping Howard Dean's 50 states strategy was a disastrous move.

You'd have to hope for a 08 style recession for a chance in 2020.
 
I can see why rural areas and certain Trump supporters feel forgotten and alienated though all this.
Their fears were ignored, they were labelled as racist and routinely mocked and looked down upon by SNL etc.
Now Trump wins and the story is about the non Trump voters fearing for the futures, their need to be reassured.
No doubt his 4 years will be about proving himself to that side of the vote rather than listening to the message that 50m voters just sent out.
They're already being forgotten about again. The talking heads on tv are constantly looking at this through one set of eyes while ignoring the other.
And I cannot stand the man.
 
Raoul said:
Just a general impression of what he really believes. A vast majority of the stuff he said during the campaign was as the right wing character he created to appeal to the right leaning electorate he was trying to use to win the Presidency. Trump himself is a moderate - a non-ideologue who does deals with people to advance his objectives.
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People like Pence, Gingrich, Giuliani etc. will be running the country. That's what worries me more than Trump himself.

As someone else said, the only good to come out of all of this is that Cruz didn't win.
 
cyberman said:
I can see why rural areas and certain Trump supporters feel forgotten and alienated though all this.
Their fears were ignored, they were labelled as racist and routinely mocked and looked down upon by SNL etc.
Now Trump wins and the story is about the non Trump voters fearing for the futures, their need to be reassured.
No doubt his 4 years will be about proving himself to that side of the vote rather than listening to the message that 50m voters just sent out.
They're already being forgotten about again. The talking heads on tv are constantly looking at this through one set of eyes while ignoring the other.
And I cannot stand the man.
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They can't get what they want though. They are perpetually angry and wanting a way of life that has passed
 
Raoul said:
Just a general impression of what he really believes. A vast majority of the stuff he said during the campaign was as the right wing character he created to appeal to the right leaning electorate he was trying to use to win the Presidency. Trump himself is a moderate - a non-ideologue who does deals with people to advance his objectives.
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That's what I believe too.

Trump isn't hard right.Never has been. Don't think you can be hard right and president in this day and age.
 
It's easy for Trump to come across well once he's got what he wanted. We'll see if that behaviour holds when things are tougher for him.

Even if Trump does revert to a more moderate position though, the people he's surrounded himself should still ensure that this government is a liberal's nightmare.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
People like Pence, Gingrich, Giuliani etc. will be running the country. That's what worries me more than Trump himself.

As someone else said, the only good to come out of all of this is that Cruz didn't win.
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Definitely - we will know a lot in terms of who he appoints. The general sense I get is since Trump himself has no governance background, he will surround himself with loyal surrogates like the ones you mentioned, and largely outsource/entrust most of their portfolios to each cabinet member.
 
Raoul said:
Just a general impression of what he really believes. A vast majority of the stuff he said during the campaign was as the right wing character he created to appeal to the right leaning electorate he was trying to use to win the Presidency. Trump himself is a moderate - a non-ideologue who does deals with people to advance his objectives.
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His objectives. He'll happily trade away your rights as a bargaining chip. He doesn't give a feck about anyone but Donald Trump.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
But where are you getting this "general impression" from since he won the election?

Or is it something you've been thinking/hoping would happen for a while?
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I've suspected it all along once I figured out Trump's character he invented to get elected over the past 18 months. Most people who talk about dealing with Trump in private say he's a pretty easy going, pragmatic guy with liberal leaning views. How he governs as President will basically be little more than an ideological mean reversion.

 
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