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Cheimoon said:
Erm, are you really suggesting the Dems are more hypocritical than the GOP, that Trump is a strong candidate, and that there really has been constant BLM rioting? ('torching cities'!) Cause then I'd have to question your post about your news sources in the Elections thread...
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The dems are as hypocritical as they come, just look at Pelosi and the way they treat honest but naive candidates like Bernie. Look at the damage people like Newsom, Cuomo and de Blasio are doing to their cities and states.

And yes, there has been constant BLM rioting. I don't know where you live or where you get your news, but I don't need news for that because I experienced it first hand where I live (Suburbs of a big democratic city).
 
Shamana said:


I wouldn't have voted Trump if I were an American, but I felt the non-stop riots in states mainly governed by democrats fed into his law and order narrative.
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This is such a massive over-dramatization. Limited riots sprung up in the wake of highly publicized incidents of police shooting yet another unarmed black man, and died down within a couple of days.
 
Shamana said:


I wouldn't have voted Trump if I were an American, but I felt the non-stop riots in states mainly governed by democrats fed into his law and order narrative.
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In Minnesotta, where the riots started, Trump bettered Hillary's margin by 5%. In the specific county where the riots happened, turnout went up 25% and the margin stayed as massive as it was in 2016.

Georgia, where there were 2 rounds of riots in Atlanta, might go blue for the first time in 40+ years, bettering Hillary's performance by 5%.
 
Halftrack said:
This is such a massive over-dramatization. Limited riots sprung up in the wake of highly publicized incidents of police shooting yet another unarmed black man, and died down within a couple of days.
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I dont think it's over dramatic, probably wasn't a city wide crippling riots but from where i stand in indonesia it is quite big issue that lastee surprisingly long
 
Giggs86 said:
The dems are as hypocritical as they come, just look at Pelosi and the way they treat honest but naive candidates like Bernie. Look at the damage people like Newsom, Cuomo and de Blasio are doing to their cities and states.

And yes, there has been constant BLM rioting. I don't know where you live or where you get your news, but I don't need news for that because I experienced it first hand where I live (Suburbs of a big democratic city).
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The problem with trump supporter like you isnt that you're wrong in your conclusion.

The wrong thing is where you get your information on.

If you bother to dig a lot deeper than fox and friends the truth is hiding in plain sight.

Trump golfing more than obama, trump made the state pays him for his golf visit and many other Trump's shenagigans aren't conspiracy. It's live on tv.

It's like iraq. Are you justified in invading them? Yes. But are the reason legit? Nope they're made up lies
 
Sky1981 said:
The problem with trump supporter like you isnt that you're wrong in your conclusion.

The wrong thing is where you get your information on.

If you bother to dig a lot deeper than fox and friends the truth is hiding in plain sight.

Trump golfing more than obama, trump made the state pays him for his golf visit and many other Trump's shenagigans aren't conspiracy. It's live on tv.

It's like iraq. Are you justified in invading them? Yes. But are the reason legit? Nope they're made up lies
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I know that Trump spends a lot of time golfing and invading Iraq was a mistake (Biden was one of the senators who ok'd it, btw). Don't see how's that relevant to the post you quoted.

Also, I voted for Trump but I am not a Trump supporter. I had to vote and I chose the the lesser evil out of two bad options.
 
Giggs86 said:
The dems are as hypocritical as they come, just look at Pelosi and the way they treat honest but naive candidates like Bernie. Look at the damage people like Newsom, Cuomo and de Blasio are doing to their cities and states.

And yes, there has been constant BLM rioting. I don't know where you live or where you get your news, but I don't need news for that because I experienced it first hand where I live (Suburbs of a big democratic city).
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Anecdotes are not evidence. Nor are they indicative of statistical significance.
 
Giggs86 said:
I know that Trump spends a lot of time golfing and invading Iraq was a mistake (Biden was one of the senators who ok'd it, btw). Don't see how's that relevant to the post you quoted.

Also, I voted for Trump but I am not a Trump supporter. I had to vote and I chose the the lesser evil out of two bad options.
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How can you say that after all thats happened? Its been a dumpster fire of a presidency since day 1 and there have been so many scandals and feck ups it impossible to remember them all. I heard the same thing about Hillary as well. Yeah, shes not perfect and shes clearly a part of the political elite, but Hillary is objectively a competent, experienced politician.

Trump is a self fellating moron and thats probably the nicest thing i can say about him.

Also, how are the democrats hypocrites compared to the GOP? They refused to confirm Merrick Garland in 2016 because "we cant confirm a new justice in an election year", yet they push through Barret a fecking month before the election this time
 
berbatrick said:
In Minnesotta, where the riots started, Trump bettered Hillary's margin by 5%. In the specific county where the riots happened, turnout went up 25% and the margin stayed as massive as it was in 2016.

Georgia, where there were 2 rounds of riots in Atlanta, might go blue for the first time in 40+ years, bettering Hillary's performance by 5%.
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I'm glad to hear that. Violence in the city has spiked since then though and some citizens are suing the police department for not curbing the violence.

https://time.com/5902962/minneapolis-residents-sue-city-police-presence/

 
Giggs86 said:
I know that Trump spends a lot of time golfing and invading Iraq was a mistake (Biden was one of the senators who ok'd it, btw). Don't see how's that relevant to the post you quoted.

Also, I voted for Trump but I am not a Trump supporter. I had to vote and I chose the the lesser evil out of two bad options.
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I don’t know where you get your news from, but you genuinely need to burst that bubble you’re in and get some unbiased facts. How you can even vote Trump after his 4 years suggests something is fundamentally wrong in what you’re viewing (based on the reasons you’ve given for voting him). And if that wasn’t enough, I’d hope you’d be sensible enough to, given what he’s done since the voting ended and the things he has said in the press, recognise that there is serious issues in the man and what he is saying.
 
rpitroda said:
I don’t know where you get your news from, but you genuinely need to burst that bubble you’re in and get some unbiased facts. How you can even vote Trump after his 4 years suggests something is fundamentally wrong in what you’re viewing (based on the reasons you’ve given for voting him). And if that wasn’t enough, I’d hope you’d be sensible enough to, given what he’s done since the voting ended and the things he has said in the press, recognise that there is serious issues in the man and what he is saying.
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Surely you can appreciate why you echoing the comments from above that @Giggs86 lives in a bubble would make it appear like this place, and this thread, is an echo chamber? It's a pretty consistent theme
 
Brwned said:
Surely you can appreciate why you echoing the comments from above that @Giggs86 lives in a bubble would make it appear like this place, and this thread, is an echo chamber? It's a pretty consistent theme
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I definitely know this thread and forum overall leans left and if I purely sought news and information from this forum and not from anywhere else, then I might be just as susceptible to falling into a bubble.

In my mind, I mentally cannot understand how someone, for the reasons listed, supports Trump over Biden, without only being subject to a biased news source.

Perhaps I’m wrong though. And perhaps it’s a reflection of just how divided people are that one cannot any longer fathom or understand or appreciate someone else’s viewpoint.

Who knows, maybe the disinformation equally affects the left as much as the right. But, there is genuinely (in my view) something very wrong when the serious issues with Trump are overlooked for the reasons stated because, to me, that just screams a bubbled biased exposure to facts.
 
Brwned said:
Surely you can appreciate why you echoing the comments from above that @Giggs86 lives in a bubble would make it appear like this place, and this thread, is an echo chamber? It's a pretty consistent theme
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This place is definitely a left-leaning echo chamber. Although Trump being a lying huckster who should never have been allowed near the White House is a fundamental reality that should transcend these sort of biases.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
This place is definitely a left-leaning echo chamber. Although Trump being a lying huckster who should never have been allowed near the White House is a fundamental reality that should transcend these sort of biases.
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I wouldn't say left-leaning. It is a far-left forum (current events).
 
Pogue Mahone said:
This place is definitely a left-leaning echo chamber. Although Trump being a lying huckster who should never have been allowed near the White House is a fundamental reality that should transcend these sort of biases.
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I'd say we're aware of the right-wing arguments and what their commentators are saying though. We take in right-wing sources and refute them. Do Trump supporters do that too, or just assume it's fake news and not listen to it at all?

I might like this bubble and agree with its views, but I'm aware of what's happening outside it.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I'd say we're aware of the right-wing arguments and what their commentators are saying though. We take in right-wing sources and refute them. Do Trump supporters do that too, or just assume it's fake news and not listen to it at all?

I might like this bubble and agree with its views, but I'm aware of what's happening outside it.
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Oh definitely. I don’t for one moment think we’re as deluded as Trumpists. I also like to think we’re left-leaning because that’s the right thing to be. But I would think that, from my own echo chamber. It’s difficult to understand how crazy becomes normal if you spend long enough down the wrong rabbit hole.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
I'd say we're aware of the right-wing arguments and what their commentators are saying though. We take in right-wing sources and refute them. Do Trump supporters do that too, or just assume it's fake news and not listen to it at all?

I might like this bubble and agree with its views, but I'm aware of what's happening outside it.
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This! that's why I find it very funny when right-wingers come into this forum and start spouting the "echo chamber" bs.
 
Zarlak said:
Anecdotes are not evidence. Nor are they indicative of statistical significance.
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His 1st hand experience may not have statistical significance, but it may have significance for how it affects him and the area he lives in and his perception of events. That said, I dont know what he has witnessed, nor do I know which area he lives in and what's going on there and what's being reported there.
 
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Just think, in 3 months this thread will be dead and now all we have to talk about is whether or not Trump still gives a crap and if he tries to get a handy j from Pence.
 
rpitroda said:
I don’t know where you get your news from, but you genuinely need to burst that bubble you’re in and get some unbiased facts. How you can even vote Trump after his 4 years suggests something is fundamentally wrong in what you’re viewing (based on the reasons you’ve given for voting him). And if that wasn’t enough, I’d hope you’d be sensible enough to, given what he’s done since the voting ended and the things he has said in the press, recognise that there is serious issues in the man and what he is saying.
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It's his democratic right to vote Trump and so did 69m others. There's no need to be a condescending asshat about it.
 
Jippy said:
It's his democratic right to vote Trump and so did 69m others. There's no need to be a condescending asshat about it.
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:lol:

Trump voters foisted Trump on us, and we aren't even allowed to be condescending?
 
Abizzz said:
:lol:

Trump voters foisted Trump on us, and we aren't even allowed to be condescending?
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Trump voters and Brexiteers are a part of life we have to navigate.
 
Jippy said:
Trump voters and Brexiteers are a part of life we have to navigate.
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Yeah but we don't have to smile and be polite to them despite them flinging an endless barrage of feces into our faces.
 
Abizzz said:
Yeah but we don't have to smile and be polite to them despite them flinging an endless barrage of feces into our faces.
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The earnest haranguing of someone who didn't vote the way you wanted to is kinda pointless three days after the election though.
 
Jippy said:
The earnest haranguing of someone who didn't vote the way you wanted to is kinda pointless three days after the election though.
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“Earnest haranguing” - yeah, OK.
1: I never told him who to vote for.
2. I never stopped him voting (like his man tries to do to those who disagree with him).
3. I never tried to cancel his vote (like his nan is trying to do to votes going against him).

I was not rude about him individually. I didn’t insult him. I simply tried to convey that, based on his posts, he should consider expanding where he obtains facts from because quite clearly he only is seeing some matters from a particularly biased viewpoint.

So, you can stop acting all magnanimous now.
 
Anyone really think this cnut is going to slip quietly into the night? He'll still hold rallies, and idiots will still turn up to listen to him, all the while people are still going to be avidly following all the foul nonsense he spouts on Twitter.

I can genuinely see him running as an independent in 2024 which should scare the crap out of the Republicans, because he'll take his millions of crazies with him.
 
No chance he runs as an independent. He will run as a Republican. He thinks it's his party and he's right.
Don't know how to say it but part of me wants something to happen to him between now and 2024. :nervous:
 
Precaution said:
Just think, in 3 months this thread will be dead and now all we have to talk about is whether or not Trump still gives a crap and if he tries to get a handy j from Pence.
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I'm up for closing this thread as soon as Biden is announced to be honest.

Start a new one called Trump Lame Duck Period.
 
Adisa said:
No chance he runs as an independent. He will run as a Republican. He thinks it's his party and he's right.
Don't know how to say it but part of me wants something to happen to him between now and 2024. :nervous:
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Maybe you're right. Although the Republicans have properly made their bed with Trumpism now - if he wants to run as red for 2024 they're pretty much at his mercy... unless he catches whatever shrivelled monkey paw curse Mitch seems to be afflicted with.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I'm just saying, if you live in a democracy you have to live with the will of the people, on whatever basis of election the country has decided on. You won't always get the person you personally voted for. I wish he hadn't won as well but he did.

I just think that if people use this to undermine democracy then the next President could be a lot more dangerous than this guy.
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:lol:
 
Bobcat said:
How can you say that after all thats happened? Its been a dumpster fire of a presidency since day 1 and there have been so many scandals and feck ups it impossible to remember them all. I heard the same thing about Hillary as well. Yeah, shes not perfect and shes clearly a part of the political elite, but Hillary is objectively a competent, experienced politician.

Trump is a self fellating moron and thats probably the nicest thing i can say about him.

Also, how are the democrats hypocrites compared to the GOP? They refused to confirm Merrick Garland in 2016 because "we cant confirm a new justice in an election year", yet they push through Barret a fecking month before the election this time
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Trump's saving grace is that he is a moron. If he wasn't, then he would have been genuinely dangerous.

You can bet everything you have that there is someone who has watched what he has done, seen how he has done it, but has a far grander plan to execute if he got there. Trump is the start of something, voting him out now will do nothing long term without meaningful change for his supporters that might integrate them rather than continuing to mock and belittle them.

feck knows what that meaningful change looks like though, so many of his supporters are single issue conservative voters that it might be impossible to reach enough of them.

The US is continuing to head in a dangerous and polarised direction. Trump is a symptom of that, not the cause, removing him is not a cure.
 
Zarlak said:
Anecdotes are not evidence. Nor are they indicative of statistical significance.
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Right, so the next time I vote I will just shut down the curtains at home and stop looking what happens outside in the city and the community I live in and form my opinion based on a far left forum with a majority of people who live thousands of miles away, who themselves form their opinions based on CNN and other far left echo chambers. Sound legit.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Oh definitely. I don’t for one moment think we’re as deluded as Trumpists. I also like to think we’re left-leaning because that’s the right thing to be. But I would think that, from my own echo chamber. It’s difficult to understand how crazy becomes normal if you spend long enough down the wrong rabbit hole.
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I think on this forum, we call out bullshit as bullshit, and can be critical of the failings of our own chosen political parties and/or figures within them. Trump supporters and conservatives hardly ever call out the wrongs and failings of their side and only ever come back with whataboutism while repeating debunked news stories.
 
Giggs86 said:
Right, so the next time I vote I will just shut down the curtains at home and stop looking what happens outside in the city and the community I live in and form my opinion based on a far left forum with a majority of people who live thousands of miles away, who themselves form their opinions based on CNN and other far left echo chambers. Sound legit.
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CNN isn’t far left. If it’s far left of you personally, you’re probably a nazi.
 
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