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i'm not in trumps camp, i just think you are acting like crazy teenagers over nothing

I’d bet good money you haven’t got the first clue of the extent of Trump and the GOP’s list of criminal and unethical behaviours over the last 4 years and I’d bet even better money that if you did know you’d pull some mental gymnastics to explain to us why it’s not actually fascism and theres nothing to worry about.
 
We’re talking about the US in this context, and again, it’s not socialism. Socialism doesn’t work, that’s obvious - we agree 100%. We are talking about social democracy. Health care and free education doesn’t turn a country into a «socialism paradise» all of a sudden.

Agreed. Biden hasn't touched Big Pharma in 8 years, breaking that cartel is the step to affordable health care in the US, not Obamacare, which still is hideously expensive. Why would he start now? Sanders is a non-entity within the DNC, unfortunately.

Ideally, most of us want a world where health care is free for all, just like education. These were things we had in our socialist countries, but we paid the price elsewhere as our economy was too weak to also create any kind of prosperity for regular people.
 
well, in my experience, dictatorships happen over night, and as i said, with free press, a free judiciary and a congress, it's really hard to see that USA could turn into that, no matter what the "signs" you think you see

didnt say dont complain or worry, what i said was that saying that trump is a dictator or a border dictator is not knowing what a dictator is and makes that word totally irrelevant

You don't really have to look that hard for the "signs", in my opinion, but fair enough if you disagree.

No? Maybe it was the 'cry me a river' that confused me.
 
i love you too
Seriously, you finding out about the myriads of racist things Trump has done in his life should not be dependant on me now, should it? You either want to know or you don't want to know. I reckon it's the latter.
 
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the "cry me a river" was in regards of Trump being a dictator
I mean, this guy pardons whoever he wants and has no regard of the law or judicial system whatsoever. He basically does what he wants, and gets away with it just because he's not a 'career politician'.
 
I'm talking the equality of outcome type of socialism. What Norway has (and a few other northern European countries, including my own) is capitalism with a solid social welfare system. It's the best we have but it's only possible if the income side of the equation is taken care of, i.e. an economy that produces a surplus. An oil rich nation like Norway is in a very good place compared to most of the world. On top of that they are not part of the EU or the Euro - which panned out very well for you guys. That same system would not work in today's Greece, Spain or Italy.

What a garbage straw man.

No one ever argues for equality of outcome. That's such bs to even bring up.

People argue for equality of opportunity and non racist oppression which the us still has a long way to achieve because of would fascist-racists like the kind I went to school with.

Stop with the disingenuous harrison bergeron crap
 
Muslim ban? Pushing the conspiracy that Obama wasn't born in the US? Discriminating against black people in apartment buildings he ran? How far back do you want to go? He's been racist for his entire life. Now stop trolling.

It was a legitimate question, not trolling. Has Trump banned muslims? Wasn't aware of that.
 
always so tidy, dont talk about Messi in Ronaldo's thread, don't talk about Biden in Trumps thread
why dont you go to see if the fridge is spotless while you give me a break?

I see you haven’t matured any.

If you can’t have a reasonable adult conversation then what’s the point in being on a forum?
 
i'm not angry at all mate, i just think that many caftards are making a sea over a drop of water
Odd thing to say when just a week ago you basically admitted to knowing absolutely nothing about Trump and acted like you just woke from a coma. There are ways to invite discussion and debate without trolling.
 
Muslim ban? Pushing the conspiracy that Obama wasn't born in the US? Discriminating against black people in apartment buildings he ran? How far back do you want to go? He's been racist for his entire life. Now stop trolling.
muslim ban is racist? i thought he did it to prevent terrorist from getting in the usa, and muslim is not a race
the conspiracy that Obama wasnt born in the US isn't racist (however stupid), unless you think that anything derogatory said against someone that is not white, is racist or comes from a racist perspective
and i have no idea what you are talking about black people in his apartment buildings, but for what i read, there were allegations, but nothing was proven

btw, i'm not trolling, and if you don't like to read different opinions, maybe a forum is not for you
 
muslim ban is racist? i thought he did it to prevent terrorist from getting in the usa, and muslim is not a race
the conspiracy that Obama wasnt born in the US isn't racist (however stupid), unless you think that anything derogatory said against someone that is not white, is racist or comes from a racist perspective
and i have no idea what you are talking about black people in his apartment buildings, but for what i read, there were allegations, but nothing was proven

btw, i'm not trolling, and if you don't like to read different opinions, maybe a forum is not for you

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/4959...ed-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case

Pretty damning, unless you are a Trumper.
 
Odd thing to say when just a week ago you basically admitted to knowing absolutely nothing about Trump and acted like you just woke from a coma. There are ways to invite discussion and debate without trolling.
all this started because i said trump is not a dictator, you don't need to know much to see he is not one
 
all this started because i said trump is not a dictator, you don't need to know much to see he is not one
But you posted that in response to someone saying he was a borderline dictator (which isn't that farfetched to be honest).
 
muslim ban is racist? i thought he did it to prevent terrorist from getting in the usa, and muslim is not a race
Irish aren't a race either, but they were the target of racism for many years. In any case, you thought he did it to prevent terrorists from getting into the USA...? That's very naive.

the conspiracy that Obama wasnt born in the US isn't racist (however stupid), unless you think that anything derogatory said against someone that is not white, is racist or comes from a racist perspective
Oh come off it. Obama being black is the only reason it was an issue to begin with

and i have no idea what you are talking about black people in his apartment buildings, but for what i read, there were allegations, but nothing was proven
Which is it? You have no idea, or you've read about it? I think you have to be wilfully ignorant to conclude that "nothing was proven".
 
i think is very farfectched
Then you would have argued your case and told us why Trump isn't a borderline dictator instead of telling us he isn't a dictator. Because no one suggested the latter.
 
when i was 12 Argentina's democratic goverment was overthrown by a military coup.
They forbade books, films, popular songs
they took people from the streets, houses and universities, to torture them and after they spilled their guts, put them on helicopters to throw them, drugged, to the river where they would die
victims ranged from 16 years old -kids whos only crime was to ask for a special bus fare for schoolers- to 80

but trump and johnson are dictators

cry me a river

There are obviously different gradations of dictatorship Marcos, where leaders enter office in relatively benign circumstances then gradually drift into authoritarianism over time, and once they do, they've violated enough rules, norms, and laws to where they are incentivized to continue cracking down to prevent all dissent in order to avoid being overthrown and brought to justice. Trump is obviously at the very beginning of this process, and if left unchecked, will continue down a clear authoritarian path.
 
Irish aren't a race either, but they were the target of racism for many years. In any case, you thought he did it to prevent terrorists from getting into the USA...? That's very naive.

still, no racist if it isnt hate against a race

Oh come off it. Obama being black is the only reason it was an issue to begin with

well, you can assume whatever you want

Which is it? You have no idea, or you've read about it? I think you have to be wilfully ignorant to conclude that "nothing was proven".
i googled "trump discriminating against black people in apartment buildings" and there was an article saying that this was said by hillary in her debate with Trump and that she was talking about him and his father being sued for that
it was in 1973 and the case was settled with no admition of guilt
i really had no idea what you were talking about till i googled it
 
and i have no idea what you are talking about black people in his apartment buildings, but for what i read, there were allegations, but nothing was proven

They took a deal after fighting the case for two years, Marcos. You know how those work, right?
 
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