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So apparantly he said: you don't ban driving if you have a few accidents, so we should not continue the lockdown for too long because a few people get sick.

That's some class A toddler logic.
 
KirkDuyt said:
So apparantly he said: you don't ban driving if you have a few accidents, so we should not continue the lockdown for too long because a few people get sick.

That's some class A toddler logic.
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Amazing. If anything driving is one of the most regulated things we have.
 
KirkDuyt said:
So apparantly he said: you don't ban driving if you have a few accidents, so we should not continue the lockdown for too long because a few people get sick.

That's some class A toddler logic.
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If 5% of people that got in a car died, it would be banned tomorrow.
 
I cannot imagine that congress or the senate or however it works will allow him to lift all the measures in 1 week.
 
KirkDuyt said:
I cannot imagine that congress or the senate or however it works will allow him to lift all the measures in 1 week.
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The measures are not federal. The actual states have different measures and they are with varying severity. It's always complicated in the us.
 
The Firestarter said:
The measures are not federal. The actual states have different measures and they are with varying severity. It's always complicated in the us.
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Trump could lift restrictions on federal workers, who work within states. If these employees are not following state rules then it completely undercuts Governor mandated policies. It would be a massive mistake.
 
Raoul said:
Trump could lift restrictions on federal workers, who work within states. If these employees are not following state rules then it completely undercuts Governor mandated policies. It would be a massive mistake.
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I agree it will be a clusterfeck. But its difficult to tie any legislation to a duration of a lockdown in such circumstances.
 
"America's economy is not designed to be shut down". Who designs their economy to be shut down? The man is a moron.
 
"I mean, if the economy tanks, my popularity ratings will too! C'mon, people - think about what's important here!"
 
Raoul said:
Trump could lift restrictions on federal workers, who work within states. If these employees are not following state rules then it completely undercuts Governor mandated policies. It would be a massive mistake.
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This has always been the biggest issue with Trump, it's just such a stark and troubling scenario that highlights it as it has potentially devastating consequences.

He just does not possess the faculties to understand the situation on anything more than a superficial level. The complexities and nuances of the situation are completely beyond comprehension for him.

In his mind he's just desperate to open the economy up again because his entire presidency rides on economic factors. The trouble is if he opens the doors, he opens the flood gates and even with a "business as usual" approach and no restrictions, the economy will still be massively hamstrung. People will die at a much greater rate, a huge percentage of the population will be off work sick anyway at some point. Internationally America and American Citizens will be treated like the proverbial leper. The tourist trade (that his businesses rely on) will be in a death grip with both holiday and business tourists avoiding visiting the country for fear of travel restrictions and quarantines upon exit.

He seems to have literally zero understanding of the economical impacts of trying to pretend this isn't a big deal. I won't even bother to discuss his lack of empathy for human life because that would just be laughable.
 
Raoul said:
Trump could lift restrictions on federal workers, who work within states. If these employees are not following state rules then it completely undercuts Governor mandated policies. It would be a massive mistake.
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Who would be the federal employees in states? FBI, USPS, US Marshalls, energy, corrections officers and veteran affairs? Most of them will already be at work as these are essential jobs. The US is designed in a way to keep the federal involvement low in states and unless businesses and corporations start following suit, the impact won't be as big.
 
Puts Trump's idiocy and selfishness into perspective:

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WHO: US has potential to be "epicentre of outbreak"
A spokeswoman from the World Health Organisation has said that US risks becoming the next epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak as the country is seeing a “very large acceleration” in cases.
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WHO have shot themselves in the foot early by parroting the CCP line that person to person communication of virus was not happening. They've sadly lost all credibility to the US public if they come up with sensationalized headlines like those now.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Who would be the federal employees in states? FBI, USPS, US Marshalls, energy, corrections officers and veteran affairs? Most of them will already be at work as these are essential jobs. The US is designed in a way to keep the federal involvement low in states and unless businesses and corporations start following suit, the impact won't be as big.
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There are hundreds of thousands of military, government civilians, and government contractors in many states, so obviously if they had to go to work and intermingle with one another, it would severely disrupt what governors are doing in those states.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
WHO have shot themselves in the foot early by parroting the CCP line that person to person communication of virus was not happening. They've sadly lost all credibility to the US public if they come up with sensationalized headlines like those now.
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They didn't really "parrot" the CCP line. The only source of data and research at the point of their statement was from China:



The only mistake they made was being so naive as to think the majority of people are capable of understanding nuance and capable of critical thought.

To break that tweet down:

Preliminary investigations: The opening words on the statement indicate that it is early, limited research, you should already be treating the findings with major caution.

conducted by the Chinese authorities: There's your source, it's up to you how much credence you are willing to give.

no clear evidence: Ambiguity. Despite the source of the research and findings apparently being untrustworthy and propaganda prone, it hasn't made any bold claims. They've not been able to rule it out is essentially what they are saying. They've not found irrefutable evidence to rule it out. It even suggests that some tenuous evidence appears to exist that human-human transmission does occur which would require further investigation and as we know that it has an incubation period of up to a fortnight, it's no surprise it was difficult to prove.

The problem isn't WHO sharing that tweet so much as how the US Media has decided to frame that tweet and use it as a stick to beat WHO with, because obviously the US Media needs somebody to target their fear and anger at.
 
Pexbo said:
They didn't really "parrot" the CCP line. The only source of data and research at the point of their statement was from China:



The only mistake they made was being so naive as to think the majority of people are capable of understanding nuance and capable of critical thought.

To break that tweet down:

Preliminary investigations: The opening words on the statement indicate that it is early, limited research, you should already be treating the findings with major caution.

conducted by the Chinese authorities: There's your source, it's up to you how much credence you are willing to give.

no clear evidence: Ambiguity. Despite the source of the research and findings apparently being untrustworthy and propaganda prone, it hasn't made any bold claims. They've not been able to rule it out is essentially what they are saying. They've not found irrefutable evidence to rule it out. It even suggests that some tenuous evidence appears to exist that human-human transmission does occur which would require further investigation and as we know that it has an incubation period of up to a fortnight, it's no surprise it was difficult to prove.

The problem isn't WHO sharing that tweet so much as how the US Media has decided to frame that tweet and use it as a stick to beat WHO with, because obviously the US Media needs somebody to target their fear and anger at.
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It's also worth to note that most of the WHO statements are not meant for the general public but for professionals who are expected to possess some form of critical thinking.
 
Pexbo said:
They didn't really "parrot" the CCP line. The only source of data and research at the point of their statement was from China:



The only mistake they made was being so naive as to think the majority of people are capable of understanding nuance and capable of critical thought.

To break that tweet down:

Preliminary investigations: The opening words on the statement indicate that it is early, limited research, you should already be treating the findings with major caution.

conducted by the Chinese authorities: There's your source, it's up to you how much credence you are willing to give.

no clear evidence: Ambiguity. Despite the source of the research and findings apparently being untrustworthy and propaganda prone, it hasn't made any bold claims. They've not been able to rule it out is essentially what they are saying. They've not found irrefutable evidence to rule it out. It even suggests that some tenuous evidence appears to exist that human-human transmission does occur which would require further investigation and as we know that it has an incubation period of up to a fortnight, it's no surprise it was difficult to prove.

The problem isn't WHO sharing that tweet so much as how the US Media has decided to frame that tweet and use it as a stick to beat WHO with, because obviously the US Media needs somebody to target their fear and anger at.
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Sure, you can read between the lines and call it critical thought or nuance or whichever $100 term you want to use here. At the end of the day its WHO, using their platform and visibility to directly quote Chinese officials and their conclusions without paraphrasing it with the relative dose of salt it needs to be taken with.

The first one being naive here is the WHO in thinking that the Chinese authorities would a) act in goodwill b) not participate in a coordinated cover up and c) be willing to come out with a conclusion that goes against the CCP party line.

American people and others in general have a healthy skepticism of institutions in the current populist climate and they decided to go down in flames with that statement.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Sure, you can read between the lines and call it critical thought or nuance or whichever $100 term you want to use here. At the end of the day its WHO, using their platform and visibility to directly quote Chinese officials and their conclusions without paraphrasing it with the relative dose of salt it needs to be taken with.

The first one being naive here is the WHO in thinking that the Chinese authorities would a) act in goodwill b) not participate in a coordinated cover up and c) be willing to come out with a conclusion that goes against the CCP party line.

American people and others in general have a healthy skepticism of institutions in the current populist climate and they have just decided to go down in flames with that statement.
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I'm not really sure what you expect WHO to say here. Like I said, they gave all the information they could give to allow their audience to make up their own mind. There is plenty of doubt in that tweet in my mind as I have already proven in my last post.

WHO have responsibility to publish this research and they did their duty in presenting the context (preliminary research) the source (Chinese officials) and the ambiguity (no clear evidence). If you're expecting them to issue a Trump like message "The shady Chinese Government who cannot be trusted have published some research which we should be incredibly sceptical of", you're not going to get it. They're an apolitical multinational organisation.
 
Pexbo said:
I'm not really sure what you expect WHO to say here. Like I said, they gave all the information they could give to allow their audience to make up their own mind. There is plenty of doubt in that tweet in my mind as I have already proven in my last post.

WHO have responsibility to publish this research and they did their duty in presenting the context (preliminary research) the source (Chinese officials) and the ambiguity (no clear evidence). If you're expecting them to issue a Trump like message "The shady Chinese Government who cannot be trusted have published some research which we should be incredibly sceptical of", you're not going to get it. They're an apolitical multinational organisation.
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They could have made their skepticism clear by writing "Preliminary research conducted by Chinese officials but not corroborated by WHO..." as that statement was released after a WHO team went to Wuhan to study the virus but were refused access to clinical or epidemiological data by China.

However that would have pissed off the Chinese, who are doing their level best to troll the rest of the world and evade responsibility.
 
The Firestarter said:
The measures are not federal. The actual states have different measures and they are with varying severity. It's always complicated in the us.
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Watch red states open wide and get ravaged by the virus while blue states continue what they are doing and the virus subsides. If this doesn't kill him in November then there's no hope for this country.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
They could have made their skepticism clear by writing "Preliminary research conducted by Chinese officials but not corroborated by WHO..." as that statement was released after a WHO team went to Wuhan to study the virus but were refused access to clinical or epidemiological data by China.

However that would have pissed off the Chinese, who are doing their level best to troll the rest of the world and evade responsibility.
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Lovely hindsight. They did their duty, they just weren’t prepared for the (often wilful) ignorance of some of their massive new audience.
 
nimic said:
There's actually a good, valid question in there somewhere, wrapped up in a thick layer of Trumps inability not to make everything about himself in the stupidest way possible. Some things may have changed forever.
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Where's the valid question? Will we be able to sit next to each other ever again?
He used the opportunity to ask a question you'd expect from a 5 year old to take a crack at the media.
 
Pexbo said:
Lovely hindsight. They did their duty, they just weren’t prepared for the (often wilful) ignorance of some of their massive new audience.
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Or they were happy to be put on a leash and led around by their Chinese overlords.
 
Pexbo said:
Lovely hindsight. They did their duty, they just weren’t prepared for the (often wilful) ignorance of some of their massive new audience.
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Should have put it on a red hat. Some people wearing them will blindly ignore everything and are ready to sacrafice themselves and loved ones because they refused to be inconvenienced for the next four weeks.
Over the last four years a large population of this planet have gleefully and publicly denied and ridiculed factual information and preliminary statements. They've ignored context and cocooned themselves in easily dis provable conspiracies. They are absolute to the point where the WHO working with the Chinese government makes them just as bad.
It would be naive to think the the Chinese government didn't do some shady math or make misleading statements to cover up. But it would be highly stupid to take one statement from the WHO in a crisis that changes hourly and make it in to a reason to ignore them going forward.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Sure, you can read between the lines and call it critical thought or nuance or whichever $100 term you want to use here. At the end of the day its WHO, using their platform and visibility to directly quote Chinese officials and their conclusions without paraphrasing it with the relative dose of salt it needs to be taken with.

The first one being naive here is the WHO in thinking that the Chinese authorities would a) act in goodwill b) not participate in a coordinated cover up and c) be willing to come out with a conclusion that goes against the CCP party line.

American people and others in general have a healthy skepticism of institutions in the current populist climate and they decided to go down in flames with that statement.
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There is nothing healthy about ignoring the WHO at the moment, and the skepticism should be aimed at the Dorito in the Oval Office.
 
GiddyUp said:
Where's the valid question? Will we be able to sit next to each other ever again?
He used the opportunity to ask a question you'd expect from a 5 year old to take a crack at the media.
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As I said, it's quite likely some things are going to chance. Could one of those be how tightly packed journalists are in press conferences? Sure. And while that isn't the most insightful question, it has to do with social distancing in general. Honestly, I don't think he started asking that question with the intention of taking a crack at the media.

It's just that he starts talking without any clear idea of where he's going to end up, and along the way he decides he has to make it all about himself, while putting someone else down. That's just what he does, with everything.
 
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Can you imagine if we had an MSM that was honest and not a bunch of liberal activists? The Dems would be RIPPED. TO. SHREDS for the bullshit they’re pulling, for playing political games with American lives How are they allowed to get away with holding America hostage like this?
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The democrats have to stop playing their ridiculous political games and holding the American people hostage.
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Democrats need to stop putting crap inside a #coronovarius bill! Focus on the people, not your special projects.
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Hence why #PelosiForPrison must trend

How much more proof do we need that Nasty Nancy does not care a shred about real Americans? They think we’re dumb & easily manipulated. Lets prove them wrong!

RT this to tell Nan to drop her BS, and bring workers & companies BACK to work!
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Remember democrats impeached President Trump for allegedly withholding aid to Ukraine. But it’s ok for them to withhold critical aid to the American people during a time of devastating crisis!
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Other countries are forcing more stringent measures, cancelling huge events while it seems the USA is about to open up for business in a few days or so.
 
Pexbo said:
He seems to have literally zero understanding of the economical impacts of trying to pretend this isn't a big deal. I won't even bother to discuss his lack of empathy for human life because that would just be laughable.
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His understanding isn't the issue, its his priorities.
 
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Other countries are forcing more stringent measures, cancelling huge events while it seems the USA is about to open up for business in a few days or so.
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I’ve seen this point a number of times, that the dems are withholding aid and are playing political games instead of helping the American people. What exactly is going on over there in response to the pandemic? How are the dems being blamed?
 
Simbo said:
His understanding isn't the issue, its his priorities.
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It's his understanding that is the problem. If he understood, he'd realise that his short term action will severely hurt his long term priorities.
 
Rob said:
I’ve seen this point a number of times, that the dems are withholding aid and are playing political games instead of helping the American people. What exactly is going on over there in response to the pandemic? How are the dems being blamed?
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The Republicans tried to rush through an aid package that basically just handed a shitload of money to big businesses with no oversight. The Democrats told them to feck off, and now are trying to push through an aid package that includes a load of random non-Covid related shit they want too.

Basically normal American politics.
 
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