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Precaution said:
Honestly i detest Trump as much as the next guy but he's not wrong here, alright he's doing it in a very Trumpy way but the US media are out of control and it's the same in the UK, it's all mass media hysteria and they are loving stoking the flames of people mass panicking... luckily my state don't really buy into it all that much.

You constantly hear about the deaths but absolutely nothing about recovery rates which stands at 97% or so, you're not hearing much about successful drug trials or China managing to get this under control, nope..so as bad as a job Trump has done so far he's rightly calling out the media, i kinda wish he wouldnt doit in such a baby way but whathaveyou.

It also should be noted that the UK are well behind in the US's response to the Pandemic and least Trump is fast tracking (3 weeks for a cheque probably not that fast) money to every American under $75k a year, i can actually see why he has a highish approval rate here - forgrtting the facts that he lied, fired the CDC response team, knew about the failings to handle a pandemic since he first started his Presidency...

We have him for another 4 years if you like it or not as now you'll have him against fecking Biden in the Election, good lord.
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The media are simply reacting to Trump's own hostility to being asked firm but fair questions. The questions shouldn't be easier and more dumbed down just because the politician refuses to behave professionally.

Moments later, Pence gets the same question and answers it properly (while Trump fumes nearby).

 
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Precaution said:
Honestly i detest Trump as much as the next guy but he's not wrong here, alright he's doing it in a very Trumpy way but the US media are out of control and it's the same in the UK, it's all mass media hysteria and they are loving stoking the flames of people mass panicking... luckily my state don't really buy into it all that much.

You constantly hear about the deaths but absolutely nothing about recovery rates which stands at 97% or so, you're not hearing much about successful drug trials or China managing to get this under control, nope..so as bad as a job Trump has done so far he's rightly calling out the media, i kinda wish he wouldnt doit in such a baby way but whathaveyou.

It also should be noted that the UK are well behind in the US's response to the Pandemic and least Trump is fast tracking (3 weeks for a cheque probably not that fast) money to every American under $75k a year, i can actually see why he has a highish approval rate here - forgrtting the facts that he lied, fired the CDC response team, knew about the failings to handle a pandemic since he first started his Presidency...

We have him for another 4 years if you like it or not as now you'll have him against fecking Biden in the Election, good lord.
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You can't be serious,

1) It's not mass hysteria. Look at what's happening in Italy. Look at the extreme measures China had to enact just to reach the apex in 30 days. I'm in the US and major networks are not reporting this enough.
2) The recovery rates are being reported. It's been reported in nearly every major news outlet that the mortaility rate is 3%. Unless you think spinning it to a 97% recovery rate is absolutely necessary.
3) Trump and his minions repeatedly downplayed the severity, yet the media is out of control
4) The question he was asked was the most softball question a political figure can get and he went off the rails

I don't really give a toss where you stand on Trump but giving him pass like you are is mind-numbing.
 
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Ironically too I've met more Trump voters who are really
Raoul said:
The media are simply reacting to Trump's own hostility to being asked firm but fair questions. The questions should be easier and more dumbed down just because the politician refuses to behave professionally.

Moments later, Pence gets the same question and answers it properly (while Trump continue to fume nearby).

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So basically Peter Alexander got attacked by the buffoon and asked the VP again and got a mature response. I'm sure Trump thinks Pence now made a fool out of him.
 
Redplane said:
Ironically too I've met more Trump voters who are really

So basically Peter Alexander got attacked by the buffoon and asked the VP again and got a mature response. I'm sure Trump thinks Pence now made a fool out of him.
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100%. Trump didn't seem pleased that Pence answered the question properly, thereby making him look like a toddler for melting down moments earlier.
 
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He's officially lost it.
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Trump hasn’t an ounce of empathy to feel his peoples concerns or worries. It is all about the numbers with him.

Only cnut who would think twice about going down the Kim Jong Un route of shooting the infected to keep the Coronavirus death toll down. Put em on the gun death list and restore some normality for the markets.
 
MackRobinson said:
You can't be serious,

1) It's not mass hysteria. Look at what's happening in Italy. Look at the extreme measures China had to enact just to reach the apex in 30 days. I'm in the US and major networks are not reporting this enough.
2) The recovery rates are being reported. It's been reported in nearly every major news outlet that the mortaility rate is 3%. Unless you think spinning it to a 97% recovery rate is absolutely necessary.
3) Trump and his minions repeatedly downplayed the severity, yet the media is out of control
4) The question he was asked was the most softball question a political figure can get and he went off the rails

I don't really give a toss where you stand on Trump but giving him pass like you are is mind-numbing.
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Maybe i'm just being overtly emotional and all im seeing on Facebook is just mass panic, i'm not giving Trump a free pass, he's acting like a baby and has no idea how to handle a crisis but the average American is also very dumb and a "what have you done for me lately" type so all they'll remember is Trump sparking off at the Press who imo need a little reining in.

Pence did a good job sadly to say when asked the same question, what i wouldnt give for Obama to be in charge of this.
 
Port Vale Devil said:
Trump hasn’t an ounce of empathy to feel his peoples concerns or worries. It is all about the numbers with him.

Only cnut who would think twice about going down the Kim Jong Un route of shooting the infected to keep the Coronavirus death toll down. Put em on the gun death list and restore some normality for the markets.
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Yes, I could have answered that question, without any preparation. It was a perfectly reasonable thing to ask and it actually was an opportunity for Trump to say something presidential, like "We understand and appreciate that people are scared, this is a very unique challenge, but please be assured that I'm getting the best advice possible from our eminent doctors, we have fantastic health professionals in the USA, we will do all we can in the White House and we ask the public to do their part too by following the advice etc etc" - simple answer, but the President amazingly couldn't find any appropriate words.

Hideous man.
 
Precaution said:
Honestly i detest Trump as much as the next guy but he's not wrong here, alright he's doing it in a very Trumpy way but the US media are out of control and it's the same in the UK, it's all mass media hysteria and they are loving stoking the flames of people mass panicking... luckily my state don't really buy into it all that much.

You constantly hear about the deaths but absolutely nothing about recovery rates which stands at 97% or so, you're not hearing much about successful drug trials or China managing to get this under control, nope..so as bad as a job Trump has done so far he's rightly calling out the media, i kinda wish he wouldnt doit in such a baby way but whathaveyou.

It also should be noted that the UK are well behind in the US's response to the Pandemic and least Trump is fast tracking (3 weeks for a cheque probably not that fast) money to every American under $75k a year, i can actually see why he has a highish approval rate here - forgrtting the facts that he lied, fired the CDC response team, knew about the failings to handle a pandemic since he first started his Presidency...

We have him for another 4 years if you like it or not as now you'll have him against fecking Biden in the Election, good lord.
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This is exactly what the people still going out infecting other people are saying.
 
Maybe they indeed put smth in the tap water over there. For support to be increasing after such a week they must be bots, zombies ,walkers...
 
Precaution said:
Honestly i detest Trump as much as the next guy but he's not wrong here, alright he's doing it in a very Trumpy way but the US media are out of control and it's the same in the UK, it's all mass media hysteria and they are loving stoking the flames of people mass panicking... luckily my state don't really buy into it all that much.

You constantly hear about the deaths but absolutely nothing about recovery rates which stands at 97% or so, you're not hearing much about successful drug trials or China managing to get this under control, nope..so as bad as a job Trump has done so far he's rightly calling out the media, i kinda wish he wouldnt doit in such a baby way but whathaveyou.

It also should be noted that the UK are well behind in the US's response to the Pandemic and least Trump is fast tracking (3 weeks for a cheque probably not that fast) money to every American under $75k a year, i can actually see why he has a highish approval rate here - forgrtting the facts that he lied, fired the CDC response team, knew about the failings to handle a pandemic since he first started his Presidency...

We have him for another 4 years if you like it or not as now you'll have him against fecking Biden in the Election, good lord.
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Nope...that's a completely valid question. Just had a global vid conf with our Founder/Chairman and he was asked the same question. Should people be scared? And he answered it honestly, openly, and it was refreshing.

The President probably cannot answer it as honestly because he's a much larger public figure, but you see the types of leaders people are during hard times. And Trump isn't a good leader (obviously). He's a boss.

"Bad news gets worse, so you better deal with it. The sooner you deal with it, the better it will be."
 
This is the age of social media, and Trump is a glorified salesman who uses his experience to play social media like a fiddle. The lies and the camera opps are all a part of that strategy.

He doesn't care about right or wrong or convincing anybody of his argument. What he cares about about is his that his staff/followers can produce 20 second long clips that get shared amongst his base on Facebook and Whatsapp. And that those clips make him look like a boss who doesn't take shit from anyone (whether that be reporters, China, Hilary or anybody else). He's a president for the politically disengaged.

That response is going to be edited down to make him look like a hero to his supporters. If Trump had answered honestly, it's an opportunity would have been lost.

It might be horrifying to the rest of the world, but it's koolaid for Rupublicans.
 
Dont see this leading to anything other than a civil war tbf. Maybe 10 or more years, but the division is only accelerating.
 
@Precaution The recovery rates are not 97%. You can't just make it 100% minus death rate.

We know the death rate (as it stands now), we don't know the recovery rate because only 30% of cases have a known outcome. Most are ongoing.

Even if it turns out to be 97% that's an insanely low value for a disease like this, only lack of perspective can make one think otherwise.

But as we are seeing in Italy, it can come down to values like 95% or 94% which are a tragedy of historical proportions.

Media histeria? Media inaction and irrelevance is partly to blame for the mess the world is in.
 
Precaution said:
Honestly i detest Trump as much as the next guy but he's not wrong here, alright he's doing it in a very Trumpy way but the US media are out of control and it's the same in the UK, it's all mass media hysteria and they are loving stoking the flames of people mass panicking... luckily my state don't really buy into it all that much.

You constantly hear about the deaths but absolutely nothing about recovery rates which stands at 97% or so, you're not hearing much about successful drug trials or China managing to get this under control, nope..so as bad as a job Trump has done so far he's rightly calling out the media, i kinda wish he wouldnt doit in such a baby way but whathaveyou.

It also should be noted that the UK are well behind in the US's response to the Pandemic and least Trump is fast tracking (3 weeks for a cheque probably not that fast) money to every American under $75k a year, i can actually see why he has a highish approval rate here - forgrtting the facts that he lied, fired the CDC response team, knew about the failings to handle a pandemic since he first started his Presidency...

We have him for another 4 years if you like it or not as now you'll have him against fecking Biden in the Election, good lord.
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Did they run out of your brand at the store today?
 
Redplane said:
Ironically too I've met more Trump voters who are really

So basically Peter Alexander got attacked by the buffoon and asked the VP again and got a mature response. I'm sure Trump thinks Pence now made a fool out of him.
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Pence automatically answered the question like the career politician that he is. Trump answered the question like, well, Trump.
 
Mr H said:
This is exactly what the people still going out infecting other people are saying.
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It's disgusting how disjointed we are as a society. People still went on spring break to the beaches, people still flocked to bars before they were closed. Can't anyone just do things for the common good. It's as if it is a chore to act responsibily.

And the media goes both ways: a few days ago I stumbled across some right wing hack news show on a local fox affiliate in the NY area. The guy was losing it saying the government should re-open restaurants and put people back to work. HAVE THEY SEEN ITALY? HAVE THEY SEEN CHINA? What world do they live in? We in the US started late in this process but we need to prepare rather than spout illogical, unscientific BS.
 
@Precaution
Leaving aside that concerns/fears appear firmly based in reality to me:

How is it "the media stoking fears" to ask this question? It's actually the exact opposite, he basically asked Trump to calm people down, with a "we'll get through" this speech.
And to me to answer such a question in this way, in this situation, speaks of a fundamental lack of empathy with common people, who are fearing for their existence, both physically and financially.

FéNaSeleção said:
It's disgusting how disjointed we are as a society. People still went on spring break to the beaches, people still flocked to bars before they were closed. Can't anyone just do things for the common good. It's as if it is a chore to act responsibily.

And the media goes both ways: a few days ago I stumbled across some right wing hack news show on a local fox affiliate in the NY area. The guy was losing it saying the government should re-open restaurants and put people back to work. HAVE THEY SEEN ITALY? HAVE THEY SEEN CHINA? What world do they live in? We in the US started late in this process but we need to prepare rather than spout illogical, unscientific BS.
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Well it's been the party line of the ruling side. It's just a consequence of a failing system that put Trump in power and that allows Fox News to go unchecked.
 
do.ob said:
Leaving aside the fact that concerns/fears appear firmly based in reality to me:

How is it "the media stoking fears" to ask this question? It's actually the exact opposite, he basically asked Trump to calm people down, with a "we'll get through" this speech.
And to me to answer such a question in this way, in this situation, speaks of a fundamental lack of empathy with common people, who are fearing for their existence, both physically and financially.
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He's not a leader plain and simple. He doesn't know what to say or how to put himself in other peoples' shoes. He's like the majority of politicians, completely disconnected. FDR did fireside chats to restore confidence and encourage unity. Imagine Trump doing a daily chat with the citizens of the US? He'd run out of people to insult.
 
Coronavirus: Dow erases Trump presidency gains
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51980671

The Dow Jones Industrial Average of 30 major American companies fell more than 4.5% on Friday, erasing all the gains it had made since Donald Trump became president in January 2017.

The drop helped to finish the worst week on Wall Street since 2008, with all three indexes down at least 12%.

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Mr Trump has taken credit as the share indexes climbed during his presidency - gaining nearly 50% as of last month. He has written about them on Twitter at least 131 times, according to a tally by the New York Times.
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Arruda said:
@Precaution The recovery rates are not 97%. You can't just make it 100% minus death rate.

We know the death rate (as it stands now), we don't know the recovery rate because only 30% of cases have a known outcome. Most are ongoing.

Even if it turns out to be 97% that's an insanely low value for a disease like this, only lack of perspective can make one think otherwise.

But as we are seeing in Italy, it can come down to values like 95% or 94% which are a tragedy of historical proportions.

Media histeria? Media inaction and irrelevance is partly to blame for the mess the world is in.
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The recovery rate seems to be around 90% for 'closed' cases now. This value is very difficult to assess in reality because there are almost certainly a huge number of people walking around who are asymptomatic or showing very mild symptoms, who have not been tested. And of course there are probably people in countries who have died of it without the PH infrastructure to properly test for the presence of the virus.

The problem people seem to be overlooking is, regardless of mortality rate or not, its potential to completely and utterly overload healthcare systems. Even if you're saying 'oh its like the flu'. Its not but anyway, the flu does not stop all operations. All routine appointments. Does not force doctors to make arbitrary age limits for ICUs. Does not cause the necessity for setting up field hospitals basically.
 
FrankDrebin said:
I cant watch that w*nkstain no longer.
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It took until now?

I don’t like his delivery, his lies, his ad libbing on technical or medical issues which you know the admin will have to correct later. He should just say a few words and let the experts take it from there.
But he can’t do that. And then most press conferences turn into a train wreck.

It seems that every time he speaks off the cuff, the stock market dives. By now you’d think his handlers should have muzzled him but of course he’s too self important to be silenced.
The stupid, fat, orange fcuk.
 
I'm not in this thread so often these days either. Amongst the thousand other things I can't stand about him is his particular way of boasting (especially at his rallies); something like this:

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"So the snivelling 'experts' said that I can't leave the White House 'cos of the Chinese virus; I gave it to 'em straight: 'I'm gone. On a plane. Bye bye'."
 
This presser is not going half bad. Pence is coming across as the better statesman, which isn't much surprising.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
This presser is not going half bad. Pence is coming across as the better statesman, which isn't much surprising.
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To be fair, he'd have to shit in his hands and throw it at the reporters to come across as a worse statesman than Trump.
 
Precaution said:
Uh i retract my previous statement, that is shambolic.
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What a Jackass! Its been my experience that smart people don't spend anytime telling people how smart they are.Trump spends a lot of time doing just that.He has a good feeling?
Know we know why he went bankrupt 6 times.
 
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