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If anyone should know about not fighting in a war, it’s this cnut.
 
Twitter feed from a FOX reporter who has been talking to a special forces veteran on the front line in Syria..

I just spoke to a distraught US Special Forces soldier who is among the 1000 or so US troops in Syria tonight who is serving alongside the SDF Kurdish forces. It was one of the hardest phone calls I have ever taken.

"I am ashamed for the first time in my career."

This veteran US Special forces soldier has trained indigenous forces on multiple continents. He is on the frontlines tonight and said they are witnessing Turkish atrocities.

"Turkey is not doing what it agreed to. It's horrible," this military source on the ground told me.
"We met every single security agreement. The Kurds met every single agreement. There was NO threat to the Turks - NONE - from this side of the border." "This is insanity," the concerned US service member told me. ""I don't know what they call atrocities but they are happening."
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Rado_N said:
Am I safe to assume Faux News are just straight up lying here? I mean, the whistleblower's identity is secret, so they can't possibly know these things about them, right?
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even if those things are true who cares. The WB could be driving around with a bumper sticker saying "Feel the Bern" it wouldnt change the actual facts. WB being a dem that had texts saying the president is a cock sucker doesnt change the fact that all of the most pertanent points made by him were all true and confirmed by the White House or Trump himself. :lol:
 
ChaddyP said:
even if those things are true who cares. The WB could be driving around with a bumper sticker saying "Feel the Bern" it wouldnt change the actual facts. WB being a dem that had texts saying the president is a cock sucker doesnt change the fact that all of the most pertanent points made by him were all true and confirmed by the White House or Trump himself. :lol:
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Oh of course, I agree on that, but they're still making it up which is worthy of note.
 
I hope everyone in the trump administration burn in hell, all of them are horrible cnuts who have no right running or should I say ruining a country.
 
Grinner said:
Don't be daft. Americans resupplied the Russians when they were on their knees.
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Yea, no.

When Russia was "on its knees" was in October and November of 1941. There was virtually zero lend lease at this time, and the majority of it came from Britain, not the USA. In 1942, Lend Lease accounted for, I believe off the top of my head, ~12% of the total quantity to arrive between the first protocol, period and the end of the war.

Over 64% of all Lend Lease arrived in 1944, and 1945. Lend Lease only became strategically important on the Eastern Front, in early 1943, just in time for the Soviets to transition into their offensive phase of the war, where they held the impetus, and the character of the war shifted from one of defense with limited offensive operations, to almost entirely offensive operations.

In December 1941, with basically zero lend lease, a few dozen British light and medium tanks were serving in the Western Soviet military districts, Valentines and Matilda IV's I believe, the Soviets stopped the Germans at Leningrad. Threw them back at Moscow, and stopped their advance in the South. The following spring, OKW decided that the German Summer offensive had to be aimed along the southern axis of advance, in Fall Blau (Case Blue), because further offensives at Leningrad and towards Moscow would be suicidal. It should be pointed out, that it was around March/April 1942, when the US aid to the USSR began to earnestly trickle in. It wasn't for another entire year that that faucet would open. By 1943, the war in the east was decided, the only thing left was how long it would take for Germany to collapse. Lend Lease surely sped the process up, and saved, likely millions of lives in the process, but to characterize it as "Russia was on their knees, and the USA saved the day", is off by 2 years.

Another thing that is often lost with Lend Lease, is the context. One of the big things people will bring up, are locomotives and rolling stock (railway cars). The US supplied around 1,300 locomotives, and ~11,000 rail cars. This seems like an enormous number, but then you set that against, the existing stock of 28,000 locomotives, and over 600,000 rail cars the USSR possessed. People will then bring up "But surely the Soviets lost an enormous number of both in the opening months of Barbarossa". They would be wrong. Between June 22, and Nov 1 1941, the Heer captured 2,237 rail wagons and 231 locomotives. This doesn't account for destroyed assets, but, the destroyed assets would not be orders of magnitude larger, and if I had to, I could probably look up some sources to find the actual numbers.

Lend Lease mattered, but not as much as some people might think. Context matters. Lend Lease started to matter in 1943. The USSR ended the threat of their collapse in December 1941.
 
Nucks said:
Yea, no.

When Russia was "on its knees" was in October and November of 1941. There was virtually zero lend lease at this time, and the majority of it came from Britain, not the USA. In 1942, Lend Lease accounted for, I believe off the top of my head, ~12% of the total quantity to arrive between the first protocol, period and the end of the war.

Over 64% of all Lend Lease arrived in 1944, and 1945. Lend Lease only became strategically important on the Eastern Front, in early 1943, just in time for the Soviets to transition into their offensive phase of the war, where they held the impetus, and the character of the war shifted from one of defense with limited offensive operations, to almost entirely offensive operations.

In December 1941, with basically zero lend lease, a few dozen British light and medium tanks were serving in the Western Soviet military districts, Valentines and Matilda IV's I believe, the Soviets stopped the Germans at Leningrad. Threw them back at Moscow, and stopped their advance in the South. The following spring, OKW decided that the German Summer offensive had to be aimed along the southern axis of advance, in Fall Blau (Case Blue), because further offensives at Leningrad and towards Moscow would be suicidal. It should be pointed out, that it was around March/April 1942, when the US aid to the USSR began to earnestly trickle in. It wasn't for another entire year that that faucet would open. By 1943, the war in the east was decided, the only thing left was how long it would take for Germany to collapse. Lend Lease surely sped the process up, and saved, likely millions of lives in the process, but to characterize it as "Russia was on their knees, and the USA saved the day", is off by 2 years.

Another thing that is often lost with Lend Lease, is the context. One of the big things people will bring up, are locomotives and rolling stock (railway cars). The US supplied around 1,300 locomotives, and ~11,000 rail cars. This seems like an enormous number, but then you set that against, the existing stock of 28,000 locomotives, and over 600,000 rail cars the USSR possessed. People will then bring up "But surely the Soviets lost an enormous number of both in the opening months of Barbarossa". They would be wrong. Between June 22, and Nov 1 1941, the Heer captured 2,237 rail wagons and 231 locomotives. This doesn't account for destroyed assets, but, the destroyed assets would not be orders of magnitude larger, and if I had to, I could probably look up some sources to find the actual numbers.

Lend Lease mattered, but not as much as some people might think. Context matters. Lend Lease started to matter in 1943. The USSR ended the threat of their collapse in December 1941.
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If I'm correct isn't that why we fought hard to secure the port in Norway or one of the Scandinavian countries so as to get supplies from the UK to Russia?. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
No discussion about the diplomat?
 
langster said:
Trump basically said it happens because we drive on the wrong side of the road here. Obviously he added "not to me, but it happens"

Such a cnut.
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It's horrible, I hope that poor family can get some justice.
 
'They suck'. What an intellectual.
 
So instead of FOX the media to follow is now OANN. What's that? From their Wikipedia page they seem extremely balanced and fair.
 
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Surprised he didn't end with 'Investigate?'
 
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