The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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swooshboy said:


“Be careful and try staying in your house. Large parts of the Country are suffering from tremendous amounts of snow and near record setting cold. Amazing how big this system is. Wouldn’t be bad to have a little of that good old fashioned Global Warming right now!”

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Holy feck. He just needs to be put down for the sake of everyone
 
'Remember, coyotes are WILEY! Just like that cartoon cat, Scooby Doo.'
 
Can we just lock him in a room without oxygen and tell him he'll get his wall if he manages to survive 15 minutes without "climate"?

That's the bill I want Nancy to introduce.


Edit: 30 minutes. With his brain activity he might actually make 15.
 
Even Sid Vicious behaved more respectfully towards Nancy
 
Religion -> anti abortion -> maga -> wall -> racism against a native American veteran

I like how the circle of hell comes around to religion as the starting point.
 
swooshboy said:


“Be careful and try staying in your house. Large parts of the Country are suffering from tremendous amounts of snow and near record setting cold. Amazing how big this system is. Wouldn’t be bad to have a little of that good old fashioned Global Warming right now!”

:rolleyes:
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He is on fire today! Which source poll?

 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Sadly the mainstream "liberal media" has reported for the last two years as if the world does revolve around him.
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The biggest disappointment for me is that Trump's sloppiness has highlighted so many issues with the inner workings of American politics that many people intuitively knew existed, but had very little evidence of. Giuliani in particular has been a goldmine for that, casually throwing out there that everyone commits campaign finance violations, everyone "colludes" with foreign leaders in a campaign, everyone sells poll data to foreign powers, and presumably soon enough, everyone rigs poll data. Yet instead of looking at that through a wider lens it's all bundled together under "look at all the bad things Trump does". Tragic.
 
Brwned said:
The biggest disappointment for me is that Trump's sloppiness has highlighted so many issues with the inner workings of American politics that many people intuitively knew existed, but had very little evidence of. Giuliani in particular has been a goldmine for that, casually throwing out there that everyone commits campaign finance violations, everyone "colludes" with foreign leaders in a campaign, everyone sells poll data to foreign powers, and presumably soon enough, everyone rigs poll data. Yet instead of looking at that through a wider lens it's all bundled together under "look at all the bad things Trump does". Tragic.
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Yep. Its trump exceptionalism. And it shows that for many liberals the main issue with trump isnt his policies, its that he is vulgar and doesnt respect norms.
 
Brwned said:
The biggest disappointment for me is that Trump's sloppiness has highlighted so many issues with the inner workings of American politics that many people intuitively knew existed, but had very little evidence of. Giuliani in particular has been a goldmine for that, casually throwing out there that everyone commits campaign finance violations, everyone "colludes" with foreign leaders in a campaign, everyone sells poll data to foreign powers, and presumably soon enough, everyone rigs poll data. Yet instead of looking at that through a wider lens it's all bundled together under "look at all the bad things Trump does". Tragic.
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Alternatively, it really might "just" be Trump and his cohort that are doing many of these things. Obviously that's an exaggeration, but you said it yourself: "intuitively knew existed, but had very little evidence for". The key phrase there is "very little evidence". There isn't necessarily any more evidence now, you just latched on to something and took it to confirm your prior beliefs.

And the reason the media and people are otherwise focusing on Trump on these matters is obvious: he's the President of the United States.
 
Brwned said:
The biggest disappointment for me is that Trump's sloppiness has highlighted so many issues with the inner workings of American politics that many people intuitively knew existed, but had very little evidence of. Giuliani in particular has been a goldmine for that, casually throwing out there that everyone commits campaign finance violations, everyone "colludes" with foreign leaders in a campaign, everyone sells poll data to foreign powers, and presumably soon enough, everyone rigs poll data. Yet instead of looking at that through a wider lens it's all bundled together under "look at all the bad things Trump does". Tragic.
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You're taking Guiliani's word as gospel for this? There's been very little evidence to support it.
 
Brwned said:
The biggest disappointment for me is that Trump's sloppiness has highlighted so many issues with the inner workings of American politics that many people intuitively knew existed, but had very little evidence of. Giuliani in particular has been a goldmine for that, casually throwing out there that everyone commits campaign finance violations, everyone "colludes" with foreign leaders in a campaign, everyone sells poll data to foreign powers, and presumably soon enough, everyone rigs poll data. Yet instead of looking at that through a wider lens it's all bundled together under "look at all the bad things Trump does". Tragic.
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That's a good point. It shows how easy it was for Trump to get away with so much shady actions that the system clearly needs many changes.
 
niMic said:
Alternatively, it really might "just" be Trump and his cohort that are doing many of these things. Obviously that's an exaggeration, but you said it yourself: "intuitively knew existed, but had very little evidence for". The key phrase there is "very little evidence". There isn't necessarily any more evidence now, you just latched on to something and took it to confirm your prior beliefs.

And the reason the media and people are otherwise focusing on Trump on these matters is obvious: he's the President of the United States.
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Sure. That's a plausible reality. You'd think that Giuliani saying those things would incite people to actually investigate how widespread it is, or what the basis of his comments are, though. It's entirely possible he's talking shit from a partisan perspective on literally everything he says. However the lack of desire to even listen to what he says and look at if from a wider perspective is quite damning, IMO

I agree it's totally understandable to focus on the president. I'm just surprised people don't focus on the presidency, while focusing on the current president.
 
Brwned said:
Sure. That's a plausible reality. You'd think that Giuliani saying those things would incite people to actually investigate how widespread it is, or what the basis of his comments are, though. It's entirely possible he's talking shit from a partisan perspective on literally everything he says. However the lack of desire to even listen to what he says and look at if from a wider perspective is quite damning, IMO

I agree it's totally understandable to focus on the president. I'm just surprised people don't focus on the presidency, while focusing on the current president.
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. He hasn’t provided any evidence. It’s not other people’s responsibility to check up on his wild claims for him.
 
Kentonio said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. He hasn’t provided any evidence. It’s not other people’s responsibility to check up on his wild claims for him.
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I think the claims should be knocked down a notch from extraordinary to ordinary given it has been an open secret, and the more small-time political people echo his claims that this is a more widespread issue. The echoes are shut down very quickly by the people in power. Given they're spending so much reporting time looking at objectively less important things, all you're doing is giving them a free ride. If they didn't have the manpower for it, fair enough. But they obviously do.
 
Brwned said:
I think the claims should be knocked down a notch from extraordinary to ordinary given it has been an open secret, and the more small-time political people echo his claims that this is a more widespread issue. The echoes are shut down very quickly by the people in power. Given they're spending so much reporting time looking at objectively less important things, all you're doing is giving them a free ride. If they didn't have the manpower for it, fair enough. But they obviously do.
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So just to check, it’s an ‘open secret’ but at the same time ‘people in power’ shut down anyone who talks about it. But despite this, everyone apparently still knows it exists including yourself. But no-one apparently has any evidence to prove it?
 
Kentonio said:
So just to check, it’s an ‘open secret’ but at the same time ‘people in power’ shut down anyone who talks about it. But despite this, everyone apparently still knows it exists including yourself. But no-one apparently has any evidence to prove it?
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You're approaching this from an oddly confrontational position, I find. So just to clarify, no that isn't my position. Remove all the nuance from a point and it stops being a point, you know. However I don't think either of us will benefit from discussing it. Although you might enjoy attempts to take shots at a stranger on the internet in the short term - I'm not sure.
 
Brwned said:
You're approaching this from an oddly confrontational position, I find. So just to clarify, no that isn't my position. Remove all the nuance from a point and it stops being a point, you know. However I don't think either of us will benefit from discussing it. Although you might enjoy attempts to take shots at a stranger on the internet in the short term - I'm not sure.
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I’m not being confrontational, just trying to get you to see that you’re using the same language here as conspiracy theorists generally do.

While it’s certainly possible that these things have been going on, it’s simply not good enough to claim it’s an open secret yet be unable to provide any evidence. Especially if you’re going to also claim that powerful figures are suppressing any talk of it.
 
Kentonio said:
I’m not being confrontational, just trying to get you to see that you’re using the same language here as conspiracy theorists generally do.

While it’s certainly possible that these things have been going on, it’s simply not good enough to claim it’s an open secret yet be unable to provide any evidence. Especially if you’re going to also claim that powerful figures are suppressing any talk of it.
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Fair. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory to say that large media companies avoid talking about things that will harm their business, based on either political involvement, big business or any other major power. I don't mean it as anything more than that. I'd argue it's your interpretation of that kind of language, based on the context you've often read it in, that led you to view it that way. An open secret was an overly loose term though, that's true. Can't think of a less strong word off the top of my head though...but you get the jist.
 
'The EU is a disgrace under Germany's Angela Snorkel.
I invented Europe!'
 
MrMarcello said:
“Everybody knows that walls work. You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem,” Trump said outside the White House. “You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately.”
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Even more impressive seeing that San Anton is 150 miles from Mexico.
 
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