The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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So many smileys in this thread but is any of it even funny. Even with Trump gone then America has to deal with the fact that a huge amount of people were disillusioned to vote for him and a huge amount of people were similarly disillusioned not to vote against him. Hillary won the popular vote but neither won the actual popular vote of the people. Get rid of Trump please but then continue to realise that many people in your country feel disillusioned and there's a lot more work to do. You can call them idiots but then that's the same American attitude of you rule the free world.
 
Inside his head I wonder if he truly feels he's never done anything illegal or wrong.

Is that what narcissists and sociopaths think - they've never done wrong/have no empathy?
 
Inside his head I wonder if he truly feels he's never done anything illegal or wrong.

Is that what narcissists and sociopaths think - they've never done wrong/have no empathy?

Yes, they believe that they are always right and are always justified in taking the actions that they do.
 
It's kind of comforting to me to know that he is raging, throwing shit around, unable to even leave his personal quarters in the WH. I want him feeling trapped and paranoid in the place that he stupidly and selfishly believed he was fit enough to occupy. He spent years digging at Obama, thinking he could do better and has instead shown the world that he is a small man, completely inept and unprepared to do the job that Obama did with such ease, grace and competence. It's a spectacular failure that will resonate for generations andI hope the rage and self-loathing eats him up slowly and leaves him broken and alone, occupying a small cell in Federal prison.
 
It's kind of comforting to me to know that he is raging, throwing shit around, unable to even leave his personal quarters in the WH. I want him feeling trapped and paranoid in the place that he stupidly and selfishly believed he was fit enough to occupy. He spent years digging at Obama, thinking he could do better and has instead shown the world that he is a small man, completely inept and unprepared to do the job that Obama did with such ease, grace and competence. It's a spectacular failure that will resonate for generations andI hope the rage and self-loathing eats him up slowly and leaves him broken and alone, occupying a small cell in Federal prison.

Is it comforting to know then if he's impeached that his support will still be disillusioned and the majority of left leaning folks will still be disillusioned from voting for the next corporate shill nominated for their party? Will bringing down Trump solve the problem? How many members of government on both sides do you think are clean from crime? And how long for the clean ones to become corrupted? When Trump is destroyed will America do what it needs to make real change or will it allow the people who enabled this to carry on in their roles? Will you abandon being a 2 party dictatorship? When will the democrats abandon the party that has promised so much but delivered so little? Will America move to take the money out of politics? Can America realise that Trump is just the tip of a completely corrupt system?

Just replying to your post not directed just at you and no aggression meant. From the outside looking in Trump has just highlighted an awful money friven system and I despair that America will take down Trump but not use it as a lesson to attack the root of the problem.
 
Is it comforting to know then if he's impeached that his support will still be disillusioned and the majority of left leaning folks will still be disillusioned from voting for the next corporate shill nominated for their party? Will bringing down Trump solve the problem? How many members of government on both sides do you think are clean from crime? And how long for the clean ones to become corrupted? When Trump is destroyed will America do what it needs to make real change or will it allow the people who enabled this to carry on in their roles? Will you abandon being a 2 party dictatorship? When will the democrats abandon the party that has promised so much but delivered so little? Will America move to take the money out of politics? Can America realise that Trump is just the tip of a completely corrupt system?

Just replying to your post not directed just at you and no aggression meant. From the outside looking in Trump has just highlighted an awful money friven system and I despair that America will take down Trump but not use it as a lesson to attack the root of the problem.

These are very valid questions but maybe they should be in a new thread? We have over 2000 pages in this thread and I think we all deserve to enjoy what seems to be the start of the downfall of Trump&co (and hopefully the end) before we move on to worry about the bigger picture post-Trump.
 
These are very valid questions but maybe they should be in a new thread? We have over 2000 pages in this thread and I think we all deserve to enjoy what seems to be the start of the downfall of Trump&co (and hopefully the end) before we move on to worry about the bigger picture post-Trump.

Noted my friend. Perhaps a thread for the aftermath and like the rest of you I hope he, his family and his cronies are taken down ASAP.
 
Noted my friend. Perhaps a thread for the aftermath and like the rest of you I hope he, his family and his cronies are taken down ASAP.
The US Politics or the 2020 Presidential Election threads are suitable for this discussion if you want to continue that
 
For some reason I have a ugly feeling that the US will end up in a civil war of some kind over the political split in the country.

On another note, thanks to those following this thread who give us condensed updates from time to time. At least I feel like I know something instead of nothing about what is going on.
 
For some reason I have a ugly feeling that the US will end up in a civil war of some kind over the political split in the country.

On another note, thanks to those following this thread who give us condensed updates from time to time. At least I feel like I know something instead of nothing about what is going on.

If you think of the substantial hold that Fox News, conspiracy nuts like Infowars and right wing talk shows have on a vast number of people and the fact that they all believe Trump is innocent and the 'deep state' is out to get him/them, then you realise they're neither going to get the information they need to accept Trump is guilty as feck nor are they willing to believe in it.

Add in the fact that they've got guns and not all of them are so apathetic that they won't use them and yeah, I expect some bloodshed when the dominos have fallen and the wheels come off.

It's gonna be an ugly few years at the very least. Don't envy the next government sorting out the current mess and handling the fallout. If they offer Trump a pardon they'll be hounded out of office by their own supporters too such is the division.
 
Inside his head I wonder if he truly feels he's never done anything illegal or wrong.

Is that what narcissists and sociopaths think - they've never done wrong/have no empathy?

His constructed reality has zero consequences and zero contradictions to his intelligence and his statements/actions.

He's living risk free inside his own head. He doesn't need to care for anything or anyone other than what benefits him personally. Completely transaction based and 100% of that transaction has to be to his advantage in any relationship/moment.

It's amazing what the brain can do to itself. He's clearly mentally ill but he'll never know it.
 
For some reason I have a ugly feeling that the US will end up in a civil war of some kind over the political split in the country.
Don't think so. When Trump is gone his supporters will disappear and the old normal GOP voters will come back.
 
Don't think so. When Trump is gone his supporters will disappear and the old normal GOP voters will come back.

How can his supporters disappear? US voters identifying as GOP account for about 25% of the US voting electorate and his approval amongst them is astronomically high. His supporters aren't a small group of radicals who just arrived, they're the GOP base who have just become more radicalized and extreme year after year, fueled by right wing hate radio and increasingly bombastic Republican politicians.
 
Don't think so. When Trump is gone his supporters will disappear and the old normal GOP voters will come back.
The old normal voters didn't go silent from what I've seen, it's more like they've exposed their true self and while you could hope that they reel in their views a little I doubt anyone will be able to see them as "just the other side" again.

And that is before taking into account that it seems like people are getting more fed up by the republicans way of ignoring what policies can do to stop public shootings. Something has to break, somewhere.
 
The idiots that follow Trump around were there before Trump and will be there after him. I still remember the woman on TV saying she didn't trust Obama because of that Hussein business, meaning the fact that his middle name is Hussein. Trump just riled em up and now that they're riled up it might take some effort to rile them down again.

Trump is like the human equivalent of Youtube. He didn't make the people worse, he just exposed how bad people are. Because like it or not, there is a feck tonne of people who support and share Trump's insidious (dunno if that's the correct term, but I just saw the movie and think it's a cool word) world views.
 
The idiots that follow Trump around were there before Trump and will be there after him. I still remember the woman on TV saying she didn't trust Obama because of that Hussein business, meaning the fact that his middle name is Hussein. Trump just riled em up and now that they're riled up it might take some effort to rile them down again.

Trump is like the human equivalent of Youtube. He didn't make the people worse, he just exposed how bad people are. Because like it or not, there is a feck tonne of people who support and share Trump's insidious (dunno if that's the correct term, but I just saw the movie and think it's a cool word) world views.

I agree for the most part, but I think he does make them worse as he gives them a platform and the courage to be the utter cretinous flogs that they are.
 
I agree for the most part, but I think he does make them worse as he gives them a platform and the courage to be the utter cretinous flogs that they are.
Yeah that's true, but I think that's a logical result of the fact he brought them together. 10 separate Trump supporters are bad, but put them all together in one room and they're much worse than the sum of their parts. They're like fratboys, but without the education.
 
I cant see a great deal of violence breakout if Trump is eventually taken out of office.
His fanbase have only really came out in daylight because of him.As soon as you take him away,the key figure, from the top role his fanbase will soon die down and slope off back into their shadows.Back into their keyboard warrior ways.Moaning about liberals and such on redditt and YT comment sections.
They wont find another Trump in their lifetime.Someone who's as powerful,ignorant and racist as they're but is,unfortunately,confident enough to put it into action.
Trump is a anomaly.And his fans wont have it as good as they've have had it now.
 
The old normal voters didn't go silent from what I've seen, it's more like they've exposed their true self and while you could hope that they reel in their views a little I doubt anyone will be able to see them as "just the other side" again.

And that is before taking into account that it seems like people are getting more fed up by the republicans way of ignoring what policies can do to stop public shootings. Something has to break, somewhere.
I watched a documentary about Arizona elections (Senate) sometimes ago where they interviewed some republicans. All of them were gonna vota the Dems because they didn't recognize the GOP anymore.
 
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