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I'm ignorant about this but can an immigrant even get benefits without a green card or visa?

That's what I thought.

I was surprised my mother in law could get food stamps as a green card holder. We never did cuz we never needed to but still I thought such benefits were only for citizens.
 
If they are refugees, they might have no other choice until they get on their feet and there's a quota for that but if they are otherwise an immigrant they have no business being a net negative on the tax bracket in any country. So its hard to fault the amendment.
 
If they are refugees, they might have no other choice until they get on their feet and there's a quota for that but if they are otherwise an immigrant they have no business being a net negative on the tax bracket in any country. So its hard to fault the amendment.

Then none of the immigration population should pay any social security tax whatsover. How can I be taxed for social safety net if the said net will deny me a citizenship when I avail some of the benefits?
 
If they are refugees, they might have no other choice until they get on their feet and there's a quota for that but if they are otherwise an immigrant they have no business being a net negative on the tax bracket in any country. So its hard to fault the amendment.

What if someone loses their job through no fault of their own and can't find another for a while?
They've paid taxes and those taxes go to social security, unemployment etc.
You're saying even though immigrants pay into these social safety nets, they have no right to use them?
 
Then none of the immigration population should pay any social security tax whatsover. How can I be taxed for social safety net if the said net will deny me a citizenship when I avail some of the benefits?

What if someone loses their job through no fault of their own and can't find another for a while?
They've paid taxes and those taxes go to social security, unemployment etc.
You're saying even though immigrants pay into these social safety nets, they have no right to use them?

By imigration law if a work visa holder loses their job they should leave the country immediately.

I might not agree with it but it's the law.
 
So therefore they couldn’t be claiming welfare anyway?

If they were on a work visa, yes. If they are on a student visa, they are required to provide proof that they have the means to support themselves over the duration of their study and won't apply for welfare. I had an ex-gf who was an immigration lawyer at a medical school.

There are of course others who come through chain migration, marriage to a US citizen etc. I don't know how it works for them.
 
I assume that they will make it harder for people on green cards to get citizenship if they've claimed any benefit. As far as I know, if you are on a work visa, you can't get any health benefits or unemployment benefits etc.
 
If they were on a work visa, yes. If they are on a student visa, they are required to provide proof that they have the means to support themselves over the duration of their study and won't apply for welfare. I had an ex-gf who was an immigration lawyer at a medical school.

There are of course others who come through chain migration, marriage to a US citizen etc. I don't know how it works for them.

Weelll i can answer that... Marriage through a US citizen, the petitioner (the US citizen) has to prove they meet the financial requirements by being 120% above the poverty line ($22k p/a) otherwise a alternative sponsor must be found, however the deal here is that the immigrant/spouse is not allowed to claim any benefits of any kind for i believe 3 years minimum, if they do then the US Govt has every right to reclaim that money back from the petitioner and which they most likely will (probably at the most inappropriate time years down the line)

Which makes the whole thing abit mental as if the spouse is waiting to adjust status then they are not allowed to work until they receive a EAD card which takes due to backlog about 6 months, so yeah...
 
Stalin would be proud of Trump too.
 
By imigration law if a work visa holder loses their job they should leave the country immediately.

I might not agree with it but it's the law.

If my green card is currently under process and I have a filed I 485 application, I'm in authorized status and even if I lose my job. Unless there are extreme mitigating circumstance, I would have already filed for Advance Parole and EAD while filing my 485. I can even travel abroad and come back with my I485, but as long as I remain in the US, I can work for any company in US. I can 'port' my job with a new employer and I usually have the 180 day grace period to do this. If I've paid 10 years of SSN and I should be able to utilize the safety net I paid for anyway during this grace period. With this law, if I ever claimed social security benefit, USCIS will reject my I485 as well, basically making me lose my immigration status and I will be placed in deportation proceedings.

I've lived in this country since 2005 with a break of an year in 2012. I would have easily paid anywhere between 70,000 to 120,000 USD in social security taxes during my time of employment here. With 3 to 5% gain of the invested amount annually, I've contributed near enough 200,000K as of today to the SSN scheme with increasingly hostile administrations making it harder for me to live in this country. At the very least, I'll live here for another couple of years and by the time I'm 67 eligible for retirement benefits, using current return projections, my contribution would be anywhere between 400K to half a million. I have zero confidence about this money coming to my help when I'm 67 years as I will most definitely be living in India and administrations like this may easily introduce a memo that will make aliens outside US not availing their rightful social security benefits.
 
If my green card is currently under process and I have a filed I 485 application, I'm in authorized status and even if I lose my job. Unless there are extreme mitigating circumstance, I would have already filed for Advance Parole and EAD while filing my 485. I can even travel abroad and come back with my I485, but as long as I remain in the US, I can work for any company in US. I can 'port' my job with a new employer and I usually have the 180 day grace period to do this. If I've paid 10 years of SSN and I should be able to utilize the safety net I paid for anyway during this grace period. With this law, if I ever claimed social security benefit, USCIS will reject my I485 as well, basically making me lose my immigration status and I will be placed in deportation proceedings.

I've lived in this country since 2005 with a break of an year in 2012. I would have easily paid anywhere between 70,000 to 120,000 USD in social security taxes during my time of employment here. With 3 to 5% gain of the invested amount annually, I've contributed near enough 200,000K as of today to the SSN scheme with increasingly hostile administrations making it harder for me to live in this country. At the very least, I'll live here for another couple of years and by the time I'm 67 eligible for retirement benefits, using current return projections, my contribution would be anywhere between 400K to half a million. I have zero confidence about this money coming to my help when I'm 67 years as I will most definitely be living in India and administrations like this may easily introduce a memo that will make aliens outside US not availing their rightful social security benefits.

It's a disgrace.
 
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