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So this whole debacle this morning was an entire waste of time then. Thought as much

Then why threaten him with removal? Seems more likely to me the side known for lying and twisting the truth is lying and/or twisting the truth to try and make Booker look silly. Why exactly would Booker go through that if he knew they were approved for release? Just an attempt to distract from the contents.
 
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It is believed that there are tapes out there of him using the 'N' word for one if they could subpoena those and bring them into the public consciousness then it might have some affect on the Republican members of the 2 houses. They need to make supporting Trump publicly untenable for career politicians. Is there more evidence of the meetings his son and son-in-law had with the Russians that would make charges against them more likely.

It wont make a difference. Republican voters wont get mad that he is racist. They like that he is racist.
 
It wont make a difference. Republican voters wont get mad that he is racist. They like that he is racist.
I don't think you really need to hit his base though just insight right-minded people who normally never vote to see him in as bad a light as possible.
 
Omarosa saying that the op -ed came from Pence's office. That's my bet to.
 
So it appears Harris has some inside baseball that Kavanagh has been liaising with the law firm she asked about yesterday



Some top lawyer or lawmaker on Twitter (Sorry I can't find the Tweet) said something along the lines of..

Trump interviews every single SCOTUS candidate personally in the oval office with his lawyers present. There is absolutely no way in hell that Trump and Kavanagh didn't discuss the Mueller investigation and there is no way he hasn't spoken about it to Kasowich or someone else in the firm.

Basically if HE HAS even spoken about it to anyone involved in either side then he has to recuse himself when it comes to the Supreme Court. That is why Harris was pushing so hard. She knows it must have been discussed as Trump is all about self preservation and this nomination is apparently purely because of the impending charges being brought against Trump.

None of this shocks me, corruption is rife this is just so blatant. What has shocked and continues to shock me is how there is apparently nothing anyone can really do about it. No failsafe's or counter laws or protections. The USA is being held hostage and the Presidency is being used for tyrany. Imagine if someone like Hitler got voted in?

Maybe Trump is a blessing in a way because he's such a feckwit and more concerned with self gain rather than a deep rooted ideology. We learn from our mistakes. Hopefully the USA can learn and put measures in to prevent anything like this happening again. It could be a feckload worse. Not for some I agree, but it really could.
 
Some top lawyer or lawmaker on Twitter (Sorry I can't find the Tweet) said something along the lines of..

Trump interviews every single SCOTUS candidate personally in the oval office with his lawyers present. There is absolutely no way in hell that Trump and Kavanagh didn't discuss the Mueller investigation and there is no way he hasn't spoken about it to Kasowich or someone else in the firm.

Basically if HE HAS even spoken about it to anyone involved in either side then he has to recuse himself when it comes to the Supreme Court. That is why Harris was pushing so hard. She knows it must have been discussed as Trump is all about self preservation and this nomination is apparently purely because of the impending charges being brought against Trump.
Interesting theory and not far fetched. In a way I'd almost like the Dems say they ll approve him on the condition he recuses himself - Donnie s response to that would be likely be more telling than anything he has done before. If you can't stop it all together - may as well at least accomplish that. The repubs can't possibly disagree with that or could they? Of course they could.
 
Then why threaten him with removal? Seems more likely to me the side known for lying and twisting the truth is lying and/or twisting the truth to try and make Booker look silly. Why exactly would Booker go through that if he knew they were approved for release? Just an attempt to distract from the contents.

Seems to me he has called their bluff, and they are now releasing this to cover why they take it no further.
 
Seems to me he has called their bluff, and they are now releasing this to cover why they take it no further.
Exactly - "Nice try with the grandstanding but guess what we actually approved this for release this morning!" and hope that they can make the focus about Booker, Harris, etc rather than the emails/docs themselves.

Which is exactly what is the mouthpieces are doing:
‘Confidential’ Kavanaugh emails posted by Cory Booker were cleared, despite dramatic claim of defying rules
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-final-stretch-as-dems-seem-to-lay-traps.html

http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/06/kavanaugh-emails-booker-cleared/
 


fecking hell! This twat is going to rip the rights away from everyone he can. Roe v Wade will be gone (if he gets the chance) then he wants to basically legalise racial profiling.

Fml!

This is exactly how Unazied States of America is going to start.
 
Finally heard Kamela Harris' questioning in full. Very happy that at least one California Senator is doing her job. She definitely caught Kavanaugh here and in all of her questions. Really a shame Obama didn't nominate her for SCOTUS as I think she would be a great judge



 
I also think the "impeachment will never happen" crowd are underestimating the sentiment in Congress should Trump get implicated in being guilty of a felony.
He was already directly implicated in a felony when Michael Cohen stood up in federal court and pleaded guilty to breaking campaign finance laws 'at the direction of the candidate'.
 
He was already directly implicated in a felony when Michael Cohen stood up in federal court and pleaded guilty to breaking campaign finance laws 'at the direction of the candidate'.

Implicated yes, but the case hasn't reached fruition yet. Once it does, his involvement will become clearer.
 
Finally heard Kamela Harris' questioning in full. Very happy that at least one California Senator is doing her job. She definitely caught Kavanaugh here and in all of her questions. Really a shame Obama didn't nominate her for SCOTUS as I think she would be a great judge





Harris seems to have an uncanny knack for getting interrupted by Republican male colleague queuing up to mansplain (and whitesplain) why her actions are out of order.
 
Implicated yes, but the case hasn't reached fruition yet. Once it does, his involvement will become clearer.
What do you mean? He's already pleaded guilty and will be sentenced in December. The case is done.
 
What do you mean? He's already pleaded guilty and will be sentenced in December. The case is done.

I think he means the full Mueller investigation. Cohen is just one part of that so once everything plays out there will be more evidence than just the Cohen implication.

Harris seems to have an uncanny knack for getting interrupted by Republican male colleague queuing up to mansplain (and whitesplain) why her actions are out of order.

Good observation. She is definitely coming off very strong in these hearings and they seem annoyed by her competence and preparedness
 
Cohen has, but that has no bearing on Trump's involvement..which is likely still an open question.
I don't think it's possible to get any more direct evidence of Trump involvement in a felony than his personal lawyer standing up in a federal court and pleading guilty of a criminal conspiracy with the president? They can't/won't indict Trump while he's president... probably.
 
I think he means the full Mueller investigation. Cohen is just one part of that so once everything plays out there will be more evidence than just the Cohen implication.
Cohen's prosecution actually wasn't part of the Mueller probe.
 
I don't think it's possible to get any more direct evidence of Trump involvement in a felony than his personal lawyer standing up in a federal court and pleading guilty of a criminal conspiracy with the president? They can't/won't indict Trump while he's president... probably.

The Cohen case is one of many pieces in the overall investigation (some of which is out of Mueller's purview), so its unlikely Senators would vote on impeachment until they review the entire set of results across the board.
 
The Cohen case is one of many pieces in the overall investigation (some of which is out of Mueller's purview), so its unlikely Senators would vote on impeachment until they review the entire set of results across the board.
The republicans will never impeach him. Or at least it would take something exceptional like the kompromat leaking or Putin confessing to his involvement.
 
The republicans will never impeach him. Or at least it would take something exceptional like the kompromat leaking or Putin confessing to his involvement.

They would if it is proved he was guilty of a felony. The calculus changes at that point, which the likes of Graham have already signaled.
 
They would if it is proved he was guilty of a felony. The calculus changes at that point, which the likes of Graham have already signaled.
How will he be 'proved' guilty of a felony while he's the sitting US President?
 
I thought it was settled that a sitting President can't be indicted .
It's somewhat disputed as the constitution is silent on the question. Ultimately, it would be a question for the Supreme Court to settle, which is why Trump wants to seat a justice who has in the past said his opinion is a sitting president cannot be indicted.
 
How will he be 'proved' guilty of a felony while he's the sitting US President?

He doesn't have to be convicted of anything. If Mueller puts out a report indicating Trump conspired with the Russians, obstructed justice, and/or was involved in financial crimes by way of money laundering through the Trump Org. then that will be more than enough.
 
Cohen's prosecution actually wasn't part of the Mueller probe.

Sure, but I'm sure you understand the overall point. Cohen is one piece of evidence. Once Mueller is going through the investigation more pieces of evidence will emerge, every piece of evidence lends weight to the overall conclusion.
 
He doesn't have to be convicted of anything. If Mueller puts out a report indicating Trump conspired with the Russians, obstructed justice, and/or was involved in financial crimes by way of money laundering through the Trump Org. then that will be more than enough.
I doubt it, unless it's exceptionally strong and accuses Trump of treason. If Mueller's report says the president obstructed justice, I think the republicans will play some combination of 'innocent until proven guilty'/ 'he didn't know what he was doing'/ 'he may have tried to obstruct justice but he failed'/ 'it's not that big of a deal' and nothing will happen.
 
All that questioning to the Nominee, why is relevant? genuine question as I don't know the american system

De Voos questioning was a shitshow and I can't see anyone embarrass him/herself more at that level and she had the position anyway
 
I doubt it, unless it's exceptionally strong and accuses Trump of treason. If Mueller's report says the president obstructed justice, I think the republicans will play some combination of 'innocent until proven guilty'/ 'he didn't know what he was doing'/ 'he may have tried to obstruct justice but he failed'/ 'it's not that big of a deal' and nothing will happen.

The pressure would be too much for Republicans to make excuses at that point since they would be swept out of office in a big way if they were perceived as allowing Trump to get off the hook. Many of them are up for the Senate in 2020 and couldn't afford getting waved out of office.
 
It's somewhat disputed as the constitution is silent on the question. Ultimately, it would be a question for the Supreme Court to settle, which is why Trump wants to seat a justice who has in the past said his opinion is a sitting president cannot be indicted.

I think the Justice Department has said it so would not indict.
 
I think the Justice Department has said it so would not indict.
Mueller could issue his own indictment free of the Justice Department chain of command, then we go to the Supreme Court to settle the constitutional crisis.
 
Mueller could issue his own indictment free of the Justice Department chain of command, then we go to the Supreme Court to settle the constitutional crisis.

Ultimately, he's a Department of Justice employee and has to abide by its regulations. If the old independent counsel statute was still active and Mueller was playing the old Ken Starr role then things may be different. But as it stands, he technically works for Rosenstein and has to work around the guidelines they agreed to when he started.
 
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