It was even worse in Wisconsin:
2012- Obama: 1,620,985 Romney: 1,407,966
2016- Clinton: 1,382,536 Trump: 1,405,284
2012- Obama: 1,620,985 Romney: 1,407,966
2016- Clinton: 1,382,536 Trump: 1,405,284
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One explanation might be that both in Michigan and Wisconsin, Sanders had won in the primaries. Perhaps a lot of his voters were really angry with Hillary and what happened in the Democratic primaries, so they didn't go to vote.
She lost a lot of white working class voters who voted for Obama. Many of them either stayed home or in some cases crossed over to Trump.
One final pisstake
This one may be worth following....Barack Obama bans oil and gas drilling in most of Arctic and Atlantic oceans
Obama uses law that allows presidents to block sale of new offshore drilling and mining rights and makes it difficult for their successors to reverse decision
This actually has pissed me off completely. Didn't do this despite continuous pressure for 8 years, now, 1 month away from seeing the tiny positives of his climate legacy being torn to shreds, he shows the kinds of things he could have done.
Anyway, whatever, good that it happened, though there's also this
Pleasantly surprised by Trudeau
Obama uses law that allows presidents to block sale of new offshore drilling and mining rights and makes it difficult for their successors to reverse decision
This actually has pissed me off completely. Didn't do this despite continuous pressure for 8 years, now, 1 month away from seeing the tiny positives of his climate legacy being torn to shreds, he shows the kinds of things he could have done.
Anyway, whatever, good that it happened, though there's also this
Pleasantly surprised by Trudeau
This fake news crusade is either a joke or led by clowns.
Donald Trump on tape saying 'every racist thing ever', claims actor Tom Arnold
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/donald-trump-apprentice-outtakes-tape-tom-arnold
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/20/donald-trump-apprentice-outtakes-tape-tom-arnold
I was convinced this alleged tape would be released a few days before and would have finished him. I'm not so sure now. The people who voted for him couldn't care less what he says and does. They are almost proud of it. Im believing he could get away with shooting someone in the street. He landed on "take a chance" and got the elusive "infinite get out of jail free card".
I guess I must have missed that. I'm getting a bit obsessed over that Afek/Genie oil exploration thing in the Golan Heights. It seems to crop up in quite a few places lately.
FFS. So depressing the way leaks that helped Trump's cause had absolutely no problem getting in the public domain yet stuff like this didn't. The whole wikileaks etc transparency thing didn't exactly level the playing field, did it?
The people with the tapes should have sent them to the Intercept or Wikileaks; I know Greenwald and others help whistleblowers learn how to cover their tracks online.
Exactly. I just think people in the opposite camp to Trump are more likely to respect the privacy of anyone they might have some dirt on. Hence these transparency sites are biased as hell.
The Intercept, which is (IMO) the best of the lot, has done a ton of digging on Trump's dodgy dealings, his associates,, and his doublespeak on donations and the Goldman Sachs-types filling his cabinet. And they've been pursuing this line of attack for months not only after the elections (when the focus has shifted to his COI rather than his personality).
For example, their current headlines include:
IBM EMPLOYEES LAUNCH PETITION PROTESTING COOPERATION WITH DONALD TRUMP
Wells Fargo Is on a Losing Streak, But Still Has Some Trump Cards
IF YOU WANT TO SEE HOW DONALD TRUMP WILL DESTROY THE ENVIRONMENT, READ THIS LEGISLATIVE ROADMAP
Apple, Google and Others at Trump Tech Summit Have Stashed $560 Billion in Profits Overseas
If Donald Trump Is So Upset About Iraq WMD Lies, Why Would He Want to Hire John Bolton?
FACEBOOK FINALLY SAYS IT WILL NOT HELP BUILD MUSLIM REGISTRY
TRUMP’S PICK FOR INTERIOR SECRETARY WAS CAUGHT IN “PATTERN OF FRAUD” AT SEAL TEAM 6
Factory Near Carrier Sends Jobs to Mexico, But Trump Just Tweets
Just follow the work of Lee Fang, who drudged up tons of shit on all candidates.
Finally, I don't think people involved in the actual Clinton campaign are anything short of the ruthless standard required at the sharp end of political campaigning.
Edit: On successive days in October:
Donald Trump Lashes Out at Foreign-Lobbyist Donations, Despite Accepting Them
Hacked Emails Prove Coordination Between Clinton Campaign and Super PACs
I'm thinking more about people in general. Like the guy who owns the footage we're discussing.
I find the whole situation depressing. I'm disheartened nearly half of voters went his way and they've not really apologized for voting for someone with his traits. They've just stated they are not racist/sexist/*ist themselves. That's all well and good but they have voted this piece of $hit into the highest office basically telling kids that you can get away with this behavior and even excel. The GOP primaries were all fun and games but that is what failed us all. If the GOP voters really wanted an outsider, there should have been room for an outsider on that stage who didn't behave like Trump. Given that he's already backing down on nearly everything and they still cheer I'm not convinced they will turn on him anytime soon. They will have to be hit personally by his precedentsy.
Speaking of Gavin Newsom, his ex-wife is in the running to be Trump's spokesperson at the White House.
Hope she gets it over the likes of Katrina Pierson, Sean Spicer, or Laura Ingraham.
Hope she gets it over the likes of Katrina Pierson, Sean Spicer, or Laura Ingraham.
That's a very complex discussion, involving 60 million people on each side...
Certainly very capable and ruthless people were dead against Hillary. But even these "regular" people - they didn't release the Trump tapes because of respect for privacy but because of the potential legal backlash and because they thought he was toast.
Thought that was Alec Baldwin in the Drumpf pic for a sec.
feck, send them to me I would of released the shit out of them.
"The Electoral College is there to stop more populous states with millions of voters like California elect a president", "The Electoral College just allowed tens of thousands of voters in three counties elect the president".
Greatest country in the world my arse. It would mean fecking nothing to scrap the electoral college tomorrow and even after the bullshit of this election a vast amount of voters will forget how the system functions by 2020.
I hope all those voters who stayed at home (48%) and those people who decided to stamp their foot and vote for trump show up in the midterms and enact real change in the system. I bet most don't even have a fecking clue.
We have to ask ourselves why red states have been doing so poorly over the last thirty years and why blue states have been somewhat successful. How do we relay this information to voters in these states in a way they can understand and accept.
This election I have heard about these poor Midwest people in dire straits with no jobs, bad health and high addiction rates. Have a look around, these problems exist in every state. Americans of all races have their issues but from my observations there is only one party that will work tirelessly to make those problems exponentially worse, yet they are continually voted in to office solely because there is an R next to their name on the ballot.
I was speaking to a friend of a friend in August and he just kept telling me we need a republican in charge, he could not tell me why, no matter how I pushed for an explanation even though I highlighted the difference between party policies, he just thought it was time for a republican yet went glass eyed when I mention the worst aspects of the Bush. Eight years ago may as well of been eight million years ago, it didn't exist in the eyes of some people. By the way this guy is self employed and more often then not is unemployed, he is on food stamps, his children go to public school, his mother and grandmother rely heavily on Medicare to stay alive and he lives within a mile of a fracking site. Will he regret his vote after a Trump presidency, very doubtful because it was Obama's fault who he believes is Muslim and is owned by George Soros.
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The half blind leading the blind, USA USA USA
The scrap the electoral college movement is also a bit disingenuous. Not only is it completely unrealistic given the hurdles required to undo a Constitutional amendment, it's also completely bogus given that it would help the Dems (ie. this entire narrative is one of self-interest not justice), and would only result in candidates campaigning in NYC, LA, CHI, PHI, ATL, PHO and forget about most states with lower populations.
Vlad throwing his toys out because of yesterday's new sanctions on his oligarch mates.
Don't be, the only reason to block oil and gas drilling in the arctic is to support production in the oil sands.
How often do they campaign in Wyoming? North and South Dakota? Idaho? Hawaii? Nebraska? Mississippi? Delaware? etc.
With Star Wars being released, it fits in nicely with this (mildly prophetic...)...
Not often, but going from EC to PV would only double down on that sort of thing where people currently only campaign in about 20 states to where they would only campaign in the major population centers of about 8-10.
You'd have to actually compete for votes in all 50 states and DC. You couldn't just say "ah Wyoming is as red as they go and is only 3 EVs anyway, no point trying to get our voters out there". Ditto the other way round. Let's not pretend that the EC is a benevolent system designed to let the voices of small rural states be heard, it was designed so that slave states had a bigger say. It's a dumb 18th century system. At least promote the Compact so that you don't get ridiculous results as in November.
It's also not true at all the three counties elected Trump, he did not get 304 Electoral votes awarded to him by 3 counties, a look at where he built the 304 from shows that to be a lie.
It's a non-starter. A constitutional amendment must first win the support of two thirds of both Houses of Congress, then be approved by three quarters of the States. Smaller states would have to vote to reduce their own influence in the American constitutional system.
Democrats would have to stage a complete takeover of federal and state legislatures to carry such a reform. And if they achieved that, they'd have no reason to change the system.
But you had Hillary pretty much ignoring Red states for a large part of the process, paying only lip service to them until poll numbers showed they might be in play. You would not actually have to compete for votes in all 50 states, you would still have campaigns crunching the numbers and saying, well at best we can get 30% of the vote whether we go there or not, we are better off spending on our money in other states where we can generate more votes. Campaigns would simply target the states with the most voters who could be swung one direction or the other while pushing their get out the vote efforts in those states where they can get the most voters out there. The idea that under either system politicians will not do this sort of math is naïve.
Both systems promote ignoring certain segments of the population based solely on how they would affect the outcome and the results the campaign could get for their efforts in any given state/country/district.
Really? You don't see the silliness of that argument? They may have been key battle grounds but to pretend they are the sole reason an election went a certain way by coming up with the "well if they did not vote (which is really saying if they did not exist at all?) is plain silly. What if all the States that Hillary won did not cast any votes? She would have zero electoral votes and Trump would have won 304 to nothing!!!!! Wow.
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