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afrocentricity said:
I'm still not entirely convinced this will lead to anything happening to Trump if I'm being honest.
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I don't believe it either. I think he abhors the Russia investigation more out of narcissism than any fear that it'll lead to his downfall. From the beginning - the boasting of his electoral college numbers, the claims about illegal votes, the crowd size at his inauguration etc. - are a way to prove his legitimacy. In his mind (and may be he did too), he won the contest fair and square and there should be no questions about it. He thinks the Russian "Witch hunt" is a way to disapprove his presidency. IMO, the tweets are not out of guilt but out of frustration that almost two years down the line questions are still being raised on his election win. For a man who wants to go down in history as the Bestest, the investigations only throw spanner in the works.

In my view the Mueller investigation won't lead to any revelations of a detailed plot by him and Putin to rig the election in his favor. May be naivety from some of those involved in the campaign led some to take meetings and stuff with the Russians. But an elaborate Machiavellian plan seem out of reach for the likes of Kushner or Don Jr. They don't come across as as particularly smart or conniving.

That is why I feel it is important for the democrats/liberals/independents/green party jerk offs to come out and vote against what is basically a Republican agenda that he is carrying through. Those no votes and protest votes is what is going to give the conservatives a Supreme court majority. Now they need to get off their asses and vote to stop his perverse agenda. If they care about healthcare, the environment, women's and gay rights and other progressive things, then only gasping in horror on the internet is not going to stop it. Giving the democrats a house and possibly a senate majority definitely will. Waiting for Mueller to delegitimize his presidency, and then a Republican controlled Congress and Senate to act on it is a fool's paradise.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
'Great job of not being influenced by politics. Now can you please prosecute our political opponents....?'
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He's lost whatever it is he used to have holding it all together.

I now think the dems just leave him be if they win. He's neuteured at this point, and full bonkers. Let him tweet in the white house to his hearts content.
 
Adisa said:
As long as he's president, it won't happen and the chances of him being impeached are slim. Senate must vote by a 2/3 majority to impeach him. It means that regardless of who controls the Senate, Republicans must abandon him. They won't as long as he has the base support and the base support have been gaslighted. Republicans are simply not going to believe anything Mueller comes up with.
There is a fair chance he faces indictment charges if he loses the 2020 election.
On the other hand, I do think he could make mistakes when Jared and Don Jr are in trouble. I think both of them facing charges, is inevitable.
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I feel its its just a matter of timing now to his impeachment, things seem to be starting to snowball. It'll be a calculated timing by the republican party and whoever else is running/sponsoring this presidency. The point is to get as much done for their own agendas while they have the chance. Perhaps they were hoping for a shot at the next term, but the way things are going the republicans will have to turn against him at some point to continue as a legitimate political entity. Being dragged down with him isn't an option.

Just my wacky opinion but I'm convinced Trump is merely the face of the operation and its been planned all along that he'll be the fall guy too when the time comes, whether he realises or has a say in it or not. He spends so much time playing golf, watching TV, etc because there is nothing else on his jobs list apart from tweets and rallies. There is no chance he is running anything. He acts as guilty as possible to deflect from everyone complicit, the guys behind the scenes getting all the horrible shit done. Expect them to ramp it up before the end.
 
Dan said:
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"gee" used unironically by a grown man.

I'm actually not at all surprised at this point. I find it amazing, the amount of moronic babbling the American people put up with without turning against this turd en masse.

The man is an idiot, you need not look further than a single tweet. We are truly a doomed species and deserve to go extinct if we can't collectively realize Trump is not a good President, politician, statesman or human being in general.

Democracy has failed us.
 
KirkDuyt said:
"gee" used unironically by a grown man.

I'm actually not at all surprised at this point. I find it amazing, the amount of moronic babbling the American people put up with without turning against this turd en masse.

The man is an idiot, you need not look further than a single tweet. We are truly a doomed species and deserve to go extinct if we can't collectively realize Trump is not a good President, politician, statesman or human being in general.

Democracy has failed us.
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Democracy has possibly failed USA although it's a bit early for that. But why include the rest of the world in it?
 
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you know what I actually agree with trump on this one... If the dems did anything wrong then they should be in prison along with trump... not that either will happen.

perhaps a separate investigation wouldnt be a bad thing - even if its to prove there was no wrongdoing... though in truth i suspect both sides were sailing as close to the margin of what was allowed that its almost inevitable both strayed over - wouldnt acyually be a bad thing for democracy for both to be investingated and hit hard to ensure people campaign more transparently in future... gthough like I say i doubt it will happen
 
The Firestarter said:
Democracy has possibly failed USA although it's a bit early for that. But why include the rest of the world in it?
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There's a "red" wave in Europe too. Tories, Le Pen, Orban, Conte, Thierry Baudet, we're all making a sharp right turn in our massive support for populist dickhead fear mongers.

Democracy itself is only as good as it's people and I'm starting to think people are inherently shite. Cynical perhaps, but hell, we're proving me right.
 
ErranMorad said:
I don't believe it either. I think he abhors the Russia investigation more out of narcissism than any fear that it'll lead to his downfall. From the beginning - the boasting of his electoral college numbers, the claims about illegal votes, the crowd size at his inauguration etc. - are a way to prove his legitimacy. In his mind (and may be he did too), he won the contest fair and square and there should be no questions about it. He thinks the Russian "Witch hunt" is a way to disapprove his presidency. IMO, the tweets are not out of guilt but out of frustration that almost two years down the line questions are still being raised on his election win. For a man who wants to go down in history as the Bestest, the investigations only throw spanner in the works.

In my view the Mueller investigation won't lead to any revelations of a detailed plot by him and Putin to rig the election in his favor. May be naivety from some of those involved in the campaign led some to take meetings and stuff with the Russians. But an elaborate Machiavellian plan seem out of reach for the likes of Kushner or Don Jr. They don't come across as as particularly smart or conniving.

That is why I feel it is important for the democrats/liberals/independents/green party jerk offs to come out and vote against what is basically a Republican agenda that he is carrying through. Those no votes and protest votes is what is going to give the conservatives a Supreme court majority. Now they need to get off their asses and vote to stop his perverse agenda. If they care about healthcare, the environment, women's and gay rights and other progressive things, then only gasping in horror on the internet is not going to stop it. Giving the democrats a house and possibly a senate majority definitely will. Waiting for Mueller to delegitimize his presidency, and then a Republican controlled Congress and Senate to act on it is a fool's paradise.
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This is the thing, the Mueller investigation is not just about Russia. There are four issues being discussed in the investigation.
  • Collision
  • Obstruction
  • Money laundering
  • Campaign finance violations .
 
Simbo said:
I feel its its just a matter of timing now to his impeachment, things seem to be starting to snowball. It'll be a calculated timing by the republican party and whoever else is running/sponsoring this presidency. The point is to get as much done for their own agendas while they have the chance. Perhaps they were hoping for a shot at the next term, but the way things are going the republicans will have to turn against him at some point to continue as a legitimate political entity. Being dragged down with him isn't an option.

Just my wacky opinion but I'm convinced Trump is merely the face of the operation and its been planned all along that he'll be the fall guy too when the time comes, whether he realises or has a say in it or not. He spends so much time playing golf, watching TV, etc because there is nothing else on his jobs list apart from tweets and rallies. There is no chance he is running anything. He acts as guilty as possible to deflect from everyone complicit, the guys behind the scenes getting all the horrible shit done. Expect them to ramp it up before the end.
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The issue I have with that argument is that it's effectively his party. There's nothing they can do to him as long as the base have his back. Just look at some of the primaries? They can stomach the ignominy as long as he does some if the things they want but they're scared of him.
 
ErranMorad said:
In my view the Mueller investigation won't lead to any revelations of a detailed plot by him and Putin to rig the election in his favor. May be naivety from some of those involved in the campaign led some to take meetings and stuff with the Russians. But an elaborate Machiavellian plan seem out of reach for the likes of Kushner or Don Jr. They don't come across as as particularly smart or conniving.
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"Oi, we've got a few things that might help the campaign you're working on. You interested?"
"If it's what you say it is I love it, especially later in the summer. How do we arrange this?"
"Let's meet to chat but essentially we're not fans of certain things that prevent adoptions and a few other bits"
"Cool, we'll look into it if we win"

No elaborate plan required. The idea the conspiracy must be convoluted at its core is wrong. It's a transaction. All it required on the Trump side were arrogant people with low morals and, if you're being generous, political and legal naivety.

Please note the above is entirely separate from the potential impeachment question. We don't know enough about Trumps personal involvement in all this to state confidently either way.
 
The one question i still cant get my head around is why Trump even ran for the presidency in the first place. He surely must have known of the risk that all the dodgy dealings he was involved in would be exposed.
 
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Fergies Gum said:
The one question i still cant get my head around is why Trump even ran for the presidency in the first place. He surely must have known of the risk that all the dodgy dealings he was involved in would be exposed.
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That's usually what takes down career criminals - they get cocky, sloppy, or both. In his mind, he probably figured it was a win-win to run. Even if he lost, he'd be able to monetize a whole sea of MAGA morons with Trump TV, merchandise, speaking engagements etc, and the Trump Brand would be more valuable than ever.

But, given his ego and general stupidity, he never thought that having this much attention on you could be a bad thing.
 
MJJ said:
And only if the minorities are non-muslims. Right @Nikhil
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No. The minorities need help because there is no one to stand up for them in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia, northern Nigeria, Turkey.

Even in Kashmir, India's only muslim majority state, Hindus have been the victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing by the majority community in the Kashmir valley.

Maybe @RedTiger should have thought of that before deviating the topic with his propaganda yesterday. Making a post about India when I replied to a tweet about trump's statement on Zimbabwe and South Africa.

If he is worried about the domestic affairs of India, maybe the UN should look into the issue of gangs of men of Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Afghani descent drugging and raping underage white girls in Britain?
 
KirkDuyt said:
Same here. I've given up on him being impeached if I'm honest. His supporters will never abandon him. That's the problem when you stop caring about facts and just rabidly support someone.

Short of being convicted of treason he will just Tweet it off. Avenatti will say basta a few times and nothing will happen.
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Pretty much.
ErranMorad said:
I don't believe it either. I think he abhors the Russia investigation more out of narcissism than any fear that it'll lead to his downfall. From the beginning - the boasting of his electoral college numbers, the claims about illegal votes, the crowd size at his inauguration etc. - are a way to prove his legitimacy. In his mind (and may be he did too), he won the contest fair and square and there should be no questions about it. He thinks the Russian "Witch hunt" is a way to disapprove his presidency. IMO, the tweets are not out of guilt but out of frustration that almost two years down the line questions are still being raised on his election win. For a man who wants to go down in history as the Bestest, the investigations only throw spanner in the works.

In my view the Mueller investigation won't lead to any revelations of a detailed plot by him and Putin to rig the election in his favor. May be naivety from some of those involved in the campaign led some to take meetings and stuff with the Russians. But an elaborate Machiavellian plan seem out of reach for the likes of Kushner or Don Jr. They don't come across as as particularly smart or conniving.

That is why I feel it is important for the democrats/liberals/independents/green party jerk offs to come out and vote against what is basically a Republican agenda that he is carrying through. Those no votes and protest votes is what is going to give the conservatives a Supreme court majority. Now they need to get off their asses and vote to stop his perverse agenda. If they care about healthcare, the environment, women's and gay rights and other progressive things, then only gasping in horror on the internet is not going to stop it. Giving the democrats a house and possibly a senate majority definitely will. Waiting for Mueller to delegitimize his presidency, and then a Republican controlled Congress and Senate to act on it is a fool's paradise.
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Oh no. I think the man is as guilty as he looks. I just don't have any faith in the American judicial and political systems, or the general populace anymore...
 
Fergies Gum said:
The one question i still cant get my head around is why Trump even ran for the presidency in the first place. He surely must have known of the risk that all the dodgy dealings he was involved in would be exposed.
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He never expected to win.

He was in the process of setting up his own alt-right TV station to rival Fox News and was planning on turning the "crooked Hillary" stuff into a money spinner.

Actually winning wasn't part of the plan.
 
Trump TV sounds like it'd be even worse than Channel 5.
 
I'm absolutely convinced his people have taken a long look at Turkey in particular and taken inspiration on how to undermine democracy. It's all eerily similar, and what stands out are the constant reassurances that he's a dead man walking.
 
Fergies Gum said:
The one question i still cant get my head around is why Trump even ran for the presidency in the first place. He surely must have known of the risk that all the dodgy dealings he was involved in would be exposed.
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As a massive publicity stunt. His staff were in the beginning instructed to aim for a respectable 2nd place finish in the GOP primaries, which he would then use to leverage the subsequent publicity into new business. Makes perfect sense when you step back and think about the idea that a narcissist loves the attention and adulation of the masses and can then use the publicity to enrich himself. The only losing proposition for Trump would've been if he actually somehow won the Presidency, since as we're seeing, he never had the skillset to be a statesman and his entire lifetime of cronyism and corruption would come under a legal microscope.
 
I vaguely remember hearing they were gloomy as feck once they heard they had won. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Nikhil said:
No. The minorities need help because there is no one to stand up for them in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia, northern Nigeria, Turkey.

Even in Kashmir, India's only muslim majority state, Hindus have been the victims of genocide and ethnic cleansing by the majority community in the Kashmir valley.

Maybe @RedTiger should have thought of that before deviating the topic with his propaganda yesterday. Making a post about India when I replied to a tweet about trump's statement on Zimbabwe and South Africa.

If he is worried about the domestic affairs of India, maybe the UN should look into the issue of gangs of men of Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Afghani descent drugging and raping underage white girls in Britain?
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How can you answer no to the question and then proceed to agree with it in the next paragraphs?

Your whole post is advocating the protection of non-muslim minorities while staying silent over the abuse suffered by muslims. Thats some level of hate.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Who in your opinion is the most despicable person in Trump's camp (cabinet & surrogates)? Other than Trump himself ofc.

Pence? Kellyanne? Betsy? Bolton? Who else?

Choose one.
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John Kelly

The Guy should have principles. So many of his comrades from the armed forces have distanced themselves from the clown. But Kelly standing with Trump continues to add standing to the clown. so Kelly for me
 
bazalini said:
John Kelly

The Guy should have principles. So many of his comrades from the armed forces have distanced themselves from the clown. But Kelly standing with Trump continues to add standing to the clown. so Kelly for me
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Good call, I was going to say Conway since at least the others we already knew what we were getting, she flipped her principals for the seat next to power.
However that got me thinking. Mattis tends to stay above this and do his job which I kind of get, however reading Bad Blood on the Theranos scandal and his treatment of LTC Shoemaker at the behest of his corporate connections, he's just like all the rest really, but plays up the "Man of the Soldier" persona.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Who in your opinion is the most despicable person in Trump's camp (cabinet & surrogates)? Other than Trump himself ofc.

Pence? Kellyanne? Betsy? Bolton? Who else?

Choose one.
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I'm fairly certain KellyAnne isn't a Trump fan and is basically doing the Baghdad Bob routine on his behalf because she views herself as doing some sort of convoluted higher service to the country and not the man, with the stipulation that keeping the position involves going on TV to promote his antics.
 
Can you please take leave this thread relevant to Trump Presidency discussions? There's no point in discussing hypothetical arguments on Muslims and minorities, however right your argument may be.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Who in your opinion is the most despicable person in Trump's camp (cabinet & surrogates)? Other than Trump himself ofc.

Pence? Kellyanne? Betsy? Bolton? Who else?

Choose one.
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A couple of months ago it would easily been Pruitt. Now its DeVos since she is the only one on the list that has some sort of tangible effect on policy - in her case education, where she's attempting to privatize it and arm teachers.
 
Another vote for DeVos here - between her and her family s destructive impact on anything from education, to employees rights, their pyramid scheme of creating their wealth, directly having been acknowledged as literally buying her way into power at the fed level without credentials, making investigations and regulations disappear to benefit unethical for profit schools, and then of course her brother and everything he has been involved in. Someone not only with the proven record of having a destructive impact, but someone who also has all the resources (money, name, connections, business, political cloud, etc.) themselves to make power plays.
 
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