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I wish he'd just feck off.
Who said it?
Exactly, they are deplorables
Ok so for as long as there has been civilisation it’s been acknowledged that a society having a common enemy brings members of that society closer together as an innate means of survival. Think of our medieval kings declaring war on France every time they faced corruption allegations, or the spirit during World War 2. The USSR may have been an existential threat to the West and vice versa due to opposing ideologies - forcing the West to act in ever increasing military and economic co-operation – but I’m sure everyone acknowledges Russia in its current state is no threat at all. It is however to the political benefits of both the EU, and USA under the majority of recent administrations, to paint Russia as the bogeyman both to their citizens and gullible smaller governments, while Putin likewise has decided to hide his governmental failings from his people behind the idea that the West is still an existential threat to Russia, consummating the role by being aggressive with cyber warfare, winnable minor battles like Crimea and Syria then filtering it through Russian state media to his people that the West are the aggressors. Russia and the West chose their corners.
Trump is the only one who understands that the way to deal with Russia now is to make the prospect of being a friend of the West more enticing than being its enemy, and that means extending the hand of economic friendship to the point that Russia is for once able to lose far more than it gains by antagonising us. The existential threat is now China; historically they’re not a plundering country due to their constant divisions but recent actions in the South China Sea, and shifting focus to outgoing investment extending its economic influence beyond its borders means that unless the West (including Russia) bands together to isolate them then China will, for all intents and purposes, rule our asses in a few years’ time.
But of course taking down almighty China will hurt far more than be beneficial within the 4 years Western goverments are capable of thinking for so it's far better to just keep thumbing at Russia.
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I am amazed of late at how poor white people believe rich conservatives have their best interests in mind.
Thing is, they don't even think like that.
They vote based on their moral values. Trump evokes their morality both public and hidden so they believe abstractly he is better for them.
More likely they are fed up being shit on by parties that promote supporting the working class and then ignoring them.
I would hazard a guess the votes at the last election were against something rather than for something.
I've seen some studies that conclude 2016 had the highest number of voters voting against rather than for
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...andidate-theyre-for-but-which-theyre-against/
You seem to be so convinced that China is some mortal enemy of the world and that Russia doesn't have aspiring agendas of their own.
I am amazed of late at how poor white people believe rich conservatives have their best interests in mind.
These nutters should change that phrase about the devil to something like, "The greatest trick man ever pulled was convincing white people the GOP had their best interests in mind."
‘poor white religious people’
Rarely is the ‘opium of the masses’ quote more apt than when applied to the low educated white thumpers of my country. Emotional voting through plucking of their religious heartstrings is how the GOP helps itself to stay ahead. Even when presented with rational choices that would benefit them, the thumpers are led around like sheep by the GOP.
The scary thing is that Trump isn’t marginalizing the religious right like Bush 43 somewhat did after being elected for first terms. The religious right helped both get elected, but their return on investment in Trump is benefitting them massively more than Bush 43.
My father in law just now : Trump is meeting the queen isn't he? I said he is visiting England but he is avoiding London - likely bc of all the protests etc.
His response : that's because London has a Muslim mayor.
I swear..
His response : that's because London has a Muslim mayor.
I swear..
Every country has aspirations, Russia can no more fulfil theirs than we can reclaim the empire.
China has repeatedly expressed absolute contempt for Western open values and will shortly be the largest country in the world on current trajectory. They're expanding their global trade and military footprint on a far more substantial level than Russia. How can you not be worried?
Maybe I don't consider China to be such a threat. Maybe I like the idea of technocracies. Maybe I can appreciate those who plan for the long road. While each superpower has many problems of their own, I see China investing in green tech, investing in modern infrastructure, investing in high tech public transportation, and investing in the infrastructure of other countries in the form of soft power. They were onto something when they didn't allow Facebook partially due to privacy concerns way before it became a mainstream issue here. They were onto something regarding the one child policy in terms of curbing rising populations. Ok they have skeletons as all superpowers do, and it's not currently a society I'd prefer to move to, but why must they be some evil entity that's bad for the whole world? It's possible that the world could improve with them as the dominating superpower as opposed to the US. Regarding their military expansion, they are not aggressive in the same way that Russia has been aggressive. And their military scale is not anywhere near the US currently.
That's their aspiration though. To be the number one not only economically, but also politically and militarily. If China becomes the number one country in the world then they become a working example of how free enterprise and democracy are inferior to their system. And then you have to use history to connect the dots that their next goal is going to be to implement their ideals on the rest of the world also.
We're also far less culturally tied to China than USA, so as USA's influence diminishes so therefore does Britain's. Look at China's currency manipulation, resource grabbing and consistent complaints that Chinese should be the global business language and Yen the primary currency... China cares only about China. When they become the largest country in the world we are unlikely to fit into their designs.
I mean... recent history hasn’t been too kind to those ideas.
My father in law just now : Trump is meeting the queen isn't he? I said he is visiting England but he is avoiding London - likely bc of all the protests etc.
His response : that's because London has a Muslim mayor.
I swear..
I think you’re being far too pessimistic and cynical. I don’t want to risk going back and forth with walls of text but I do want to mention that the global US influence will be finite and that China is probably not going to replace our cultures with theirs. They’re different guys, not bad guys necessarily imo.
You are exceptionally and irrationally paranoid. You worry about things you perceive to be going to happen yet ignore and excuse things that are already happening. The fact you credit Trump shows that you are either on a massive wum or you are the cafs equivalent of Alex Jones.
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Scary as hell!
Imagine being a parent and teaching your kids to say things like "Mexicans are overpopulating us" and "we don't want Mexicans here". There is no way those two kids thought that themselves. How can you actively teach your kids to hate and discriminate? Another generation of kids are being raised by such feckwits
Imagine being a parent and teaching your kids to say things like "Mexicans are overpopulating us" and "we don't want Mexicans here". There is no way those two kids thought that themselves. How can you actively teach your kids to hate and discriminate? Another generation of kids are being raised by such feckwits
The kids are actually being honest about the right wing position on immigration. They want less brown people in the country to prevent them from "overpopulating" the voter base so that more Republicans stay in office. The kids are simply telling it as it is without the filter of politicians claiming "illegal immigrants" have to be sent back to "protect the border" and prevent crime etc.
But surely they do not think that for themselves but rather pick it from their parents/elder ones right?
Imagine being a parent and teaching your kids to say things like "Mexicans are overpopulating us" and "we don't want Mexicans here". There is no way those two kids thought that themselves. How can you actively teach your kids to hate and discriminate? Another generation of kids are being raised by such feckwits
I don't think its actively being taught. Its just passive learning. Their parents don't have to tell them to repeat those lines. They are being raised in an environment where those are the opinions they hear constantly - from their parents, neighbors, friend's parents. That's the conversation they are listening to as they learn to talk and read. The way they speak is too natural to be taught a line by their parents if that makes sense. Its more like they just absorb by cultural osmosis concepts their parents and other adults/teens around them discuss.
No doubt. They are just too young to spin it as being anything other than what it is, which is a bit refreshing compared to what you see from your average GOP politician on TV.
Are you justifying racism from children? You can spin it anyway you want. It's not refreshing, it's fecking scary and disgusting and wrong.
I'm not justifying anything. Just acknowledging that the kids are speaking without the filter their parents and politicians use.
Yeah they are picking it up from their surrounding but it's still depressing. Wonder how many kids will change their stance once they enter adulthood. Will they just spin it differently as @Raoul says or will they go against the grain.
I think he was just pointing out that the kids were not being taught to say such things rather than justifying it.
Also, a lot of kids (and people in general) in more rural areas only socialize with likeminded people, so they are bound to believe the prevailing views of what others around they are saying.
Also, I feel that most of them not leaving their hometown/city for most of their adult life can't help matters. They don't get an opportunity to interact with people from other cultures that they would get if they moved to urban areas.
As we've seen with everything from Chinese tariffs, North Korea, Putin, Canada, the EU, NATO, etc.. Trump is a complete neophyte when it comes to international politics and he is attempting to replace his inexperience with kneejerk improvisation to appease his domestic base. His naive approach with Putin is no more appropriate today than it would've been during the cold war. Putin is a trained KGB officer who will use Trump's inexperience, narcissism, and political desperation to his own advantage to advance Russian goals - that's if Trump is allowed to operate unchecked by Congress and the media.
It's what I often heard growing up in Texas - pesky for'ners taking jobs, stealing our money, increasing crime, etc.
So learnt behaviour? Sorry, I just don't see how it's "refreshing" it's fecking scary and absolutely disgusting imho.
Next generation of racists. They are from fecking Montana. How many people even live there?
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