Depends on what your image of average American is because this will open up an entirely new attitude of discrimination and harassment on sex, race and religion. If a man can run his entire campaign on xenophobia and taking pride in being the ignoramus in the room to get elected for president, it will encourage the average closeted bigot to amp up his own thoughts and put them into action.
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Depends on what your image of average American is because this will open up an entirely new attitude of discrimination and harassment on sex, race and religion. If a man can run his entire campaign on xenophobia and taking pride in being the ignoramus in the room to get elected for president, it will encourage the average closeted bigot to amp up his own thoughts and put them into action.
GWB came to office a relative isolationist. He said that contributing to peace-keeping in the Balkans was a waste of resources, said he wouldn't go on nation-building adventures. That was in 2000. Then history goes and throws a wrench in plans.
I'm never that particularly worried about what a President wants to do when he takes office, but rather on how he'll act in the face of the unforseen events in the future. That's a personality matter, not a policy matter. And that's where I completely do not trust Mr. thin skin. Him and his electorate will lose their collective shit if something happens in the next 4 years.
Yes that's the assumption - that most Johnson and Stein voters would've broken towards Hillary. The parties that are generally more socially progressive (Libs and Greens) tend to go more to Dems and conversely, the likes of Ross Perot's Reform Party in 92 and 96, took more from the GOP, which at least once resulted in Bill Clinton winning.
Muslims are generally better integrated into American society than say...France. There'll be discrimination in more rural (read: backwards) areas, but that has already been happening.
Clinton statement should start in a few minutes, right?
They went from the first black president to an openly racist president
Do you think that if Trump ran 4 years ago against Obama that he would have won?
Edit - genuine question, not making a smart remark!
I remember it was at 14:30
What I am most concerned about is the science community, which Trump or the Republican Party is no where close to. A party that think climate change is a myth, will certainly not give a shite about the advancement of humankind or any mission we have to explore the universe. We will be stuck with backward thinking that those religious zealot want to implement into society. Hopefully, private agency can contribute enough funds that enables us to explore proxima centuri. In particular proxima B.
Where can I find the official stats on total turnout, gender votes, race votes and age votes?
Thats a good point, doesn't prove anything for sure. I'm searching for the glimmers of hope
I'm concerned that the price of lettuce will rise.
I'm going back to chips with everything.
I'm going back to chips with everything.
I think private agencies are the future and even NASA seem to be thinking the same thing with saying they would be delighted if Elon Musk delivered Mars travel. NASA cant be thinking 4 years at a time but they are forced to do that based on their order of importance with the current administration.
At the end of the day - People did not go out and vote. They were turned off the election
Clinton must be sick as a dog. Been in politics forever, secretary of state, first lady and gets beaten by the host of Celebrity Apprentice.
CFPB is going to be a goner too.
Wait, what? Last night's reporting was that the turnout was huge. That'd mean 5M fewer voters.
No chance in hell. The black turnout would have been far higher while the democratic base was far more unified.
I think with Obama vs. Trump, we would have seen a result beyond 400 EV's
Yep, Bush before and after 9/11 are two completely different Presidents. I don't want to think what Trump might do in similar circumstances. He's really unpredictable.
He needs to be careful of any food she makes him in future.
Yeah true, I'd hate having to have an army follow me around everywhere I go, I suppose he'd be used to having bodyguards around him anyway
Then in my diffence I'm still in shock
Lots of reading this morning kids...History does repeat itself.
Trump won - it's not the end of the world and we'll survive, why? Because this has happened before.
This was written in March -
Donald Trump and Reconstruction-Era Politics
Editorial Observer
By BRENT STAPLES MARCH 3, 2016
Donald Trump’s flirtation with the Ku Klux Klan should come as no surprise. He has functioned for years as a rallying point for “birthers,” conspiracy theorists, extremists and racists who are apoplectic about the fact that the country elected a black man president. These groups have driven the Republican Party steadily rightward, helping to create a national discourse that now permits a presidential candidate to court racist support without paying a political price.
Every era of racial progress engenders a racist backlash. The one that is still unfolding in the wake of Barack Obama’s presidency bears a striking resemblance in tone to the reaction that swept the South after Reconstruction, the period after the Civil War when former slaves were granted constitutional rights and black Americans served in interracial governments that came to power in the former Confederacy.
The sight of former slaves eagerly lining up to vote and electing their fellow citizens to public offices was anathema to Southerners who had justified slavery, and believed that Negroes were not fit to govern because they were not actually persons. And early historians of this period embraced the Southern view that Reconstruction governments were corrupt and incompetently run.
But as the historian Eric Foner has written, Reconstruction was doomed by two developments: Washington’s decision to no longer enforce the rights of African-Americans in the South, and the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and related white supremacist groups that brought to bear “a campaign of murder, assault and arson that can only be described as homegrown American terrorism.”
The Southern states subsequently wrote black citizens out of their constitutions and erected a system of civic apartheid, enforced by mob rule. The Southern fixation on denying African-Americans the right to vote was a direct response to the rise of black political power during Reconstruction. A similar backlash erupted during the modern civil rights movement.
Reconstruction-era talk re-emerged after Mr. Obama was elected in 2008. Tea Party supporters and others responded to the extraordinary turnout among black voters by contending that the election had been “stolen.” Since then, most of the states that had the highest levels of black turnout have passed laws making it more difficult to vote. A 2013 study from The University of Massachusetts Boston concluded that these laws were debated and enacted in a “highly partisan, strategic and racialized” process.
Anti government and militia groups have grown rapidly since 2008. Shortly after Mr. Obama’s election, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors extremist groups, reported that the anti government militia movement had undergone a resurgence, fueled partly “by fears of a black man in the White House.” And for proof of violence like that of the Reconstruction era, look no further than the young white supremacist who is charged with murdering nine African-Americans at a church in Charleston, S.C., last summer.
This is the backdrop against which Donald Trump blew a kiss to the white supremacist movement during a television interview by refusing to disavow the support of the white nationalist and former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke. Republican Party leaders in Congress wagged their fingers and delivered pro forma denunciations. What they need to understand is this: Racial hatred is a threat to the country and their party’s leading candidate is doing everything he can to profit from it.
Now that you've read all that...here is what the map looked like from last night
*Please note, this was NOT the reason Hillary lost last night (voting numbers were down across the board)
She won Virginia with the restrictions and lost Florida which didn't have restrictions
Those laws were made possible because of the way the Voting Rights Act was gutted by the Supreme Court. It was an absolute travesty.
I still think that eventually the growing tide of Hispanics, minorities and young progressives will equate to a number impossible to overcome by crook through gerrymanding or restrictive voting laws.
I think he definitely would have had a good chance but ultimately came up short. People were very angry back then but not as angry as they are now. Also, Obama was and is less disliked than Clinton.
It's hard to rationalise this all in my head, without sounding bitter and I know not all Trump supporters are racists etc but it's really depressing to see one of the most powerful countries in the world have its people stand up and say 'we don't think that racism, sexism, sexual assault, xenophobia, homophobia and other vile traits are that bad and if you hold them, we will not shun you, we would still make you the most powerful person in our country.' I can't see how any rational sane person wouldn't abandon that person simply out of principle. Surely to even consider voting for him is to insult any progress we've made on those issues in the last few decades.
My thoughts as well, so basically the Dems f*cked up in who they picked rather than it being a sudden mass switch to racism. People didn't want Clinton
Greens for sure, but any Gary Johnson supporters I know are at least as likely to break Republican as Democrat. Trump maybe a little different as he's not your typical Republican candidate, but still, I don't think third parties are to blame/credit for this.
A lot will depend who he picks as his advisor. Bush was pushed towards war by all the neo-cons around him. That is quite frightening considering Trump has some proper lunatics around him when it comes to foreign policy and economics. I hope, that the GOP in parliament is able to reign in on this nonsense and set part of the agenda.
Clearly turnout was significantly down.
Clinton is still in hiding despite the announcement that she’ll read a statement...
That's absolutely what I hope - that the Senate and House Republicans will take the lead, but given Trump's mandate I think they might just follow him for at least the first year. They also don't have a good record at resisting Presidential strong-arming when it comes to foreign policy.
It will be on CNN shortly.
Yeah. Just about everything we were hearing in the first 2-3 hours of the election coverage turned out to be wrong. Fecking Bill Mitchell called it. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
The way she has handled this shows an astonishing lack of class to be honest. Even through tears, a couple of words would have been something for the thousands that were having the worst night of their lives at her rally.
Hard not to gloat, considering the abuse conservatives have had to put up with, but this bitter, old white male social conservative is feeling pretty good this morning.
For all you predicting doom and gloom, they said the same thing about Reagan 40 years ago when I was in university. Things have a way of working out and they are never as bad as we imagine they will be. Trump will not be a great president but he won't be the disaster many think he will be
For all you predicting doom and gloom, they said the same thing about Reagan 40 years ago when I was in university. Things have a way of working out and they are never as bad as we imagine they will be. Trump will not be a great president but he won't be the disaster many think he will be
Bush obviously had Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc. on the staff from the get go. But there was an internal debate there vs. Rice somewhat but especially Powell. And so any adventures seemed like hard to sell to the public if we imagine a non 9/11 world. But as soon as that happened, the make-up of the team ensured the reaction.
Here it seems similar, with an even more volatile head of the table. If nothing happens, sure Trump can come and go as a nothing President in terms of geopolitics. But if it does...
How the feck does one go from Obama to Trump?
This is Sir Alex to Moyes type of transition. I never had faith in the majority in making big decisions and this has only strengthen that. Just like Moyes this will certainly be very entertaining. I am looking forward to the next four years!
This is Sir Alex to Moyes type of transition. I never had faith in the majority in making big decisions and this has only strengthen that. Just like Moyes this will certainly be very entertaining. I am looking forward to the next four years!
Im hoping this presidency lasts as long as Big Sam did in the England job
At least Ted Cruz is done now.
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