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The moron man child elect attacks media outlets yet again because (presumably) they actually reported some news that wasn't blowing smoke up his arse.

I remember Kellyanne "I've gone very quiet recently" Conway saying that he would be acting more Presidential the day after he won the election. I've yet to see any evidence of that. He's acting exactly the same as he did before, like a giant spoiled baby that's used to always getting his own way. He really is a pathetic spineless cnut.
 
and you do know our democratically elected representatives do sometimes what they are not supposed to do. right?

The American people would not have approved of us undermining properly elected governments abroad as we have done.
Regime change for example.
1958 Iran
1973 Chile

others we may or may not have heard of.

That means feck all. You either believe in your institutions and elected representatives or you don't. If you don't then Democracy is clearly not your thing.
 


The moron man child elect attacks media outlets yet again because (presumably) they actually reported some news that wasn't blowing smoke up his arse.

I remember Kellyanne "I've gone very quiet recently" Conway saying that he would be acting more Presidential the day after he won the election. I've yet to see any evidence of that. He's acting exactly the same as he did before, like a giant spoiled baby that's used to always getting his own way. He really is a pathetic spineless cnut.

For all the critiques of Trump, that one really is the one that hits closest to the mark. He's a giant spoiled baby with tiny baby hands.
 
:lol: I had one in February. Well, a Subarachnoid Haemorrhage anyway, which is an aneurysm and rare form of stroke. You're not the first to suggest that either. I would like to point out though, that yeah, I agree my style of posting does seem a tad OTT and dramatic at times, but I can assure you it's not with rage. I get upset about stuff the same as everyone does, but I post more with passion and enthusiasm than with anger or rage. I have a pretty full on job and 3 kids, so ironically I find it a kind of release in a way and I find it very cathartic.
I for one am glad that you are still posting in this thread. I've refrained from posting myself (most of the time) because events have become so crazy that I sound insane and hysterical when I'm just typing my reflections and thoughts on them. Reading your posts at least gives me the reassurance that other people do still see it as it is. Given "the other side" now has complete power that's not much, but it's something.
You're also a lot more eloquent than me, but i'll hide that fact so as to not make this post a lovefest.
 
:lol: I had one in February. Well, a Subarachnoid Haemorrhage anyway, which is an aneurysm and rare form of stroke. You're not the first to suggest that either. I would like to point out though, that yeah, I agree my style of posting does seem a tad OTT and dramatic at times, but I can assure you it's not with rage. I get upset about stuff the same as everyone does, but I post more with passion and enthusiasm than with anger or rage. I have a pretty full on job and 3 kids, so ironically I find it a kind of release in a way and I find it very cathartic.
You picked a hell of a time to take up American politics for catharsis. It's all been "Drumpfed". I define "Drumpfed" as the feeling one gets on realising that everything has, as the result of a single person's actions, fallen into a disarrayed state of "what the feck is that about?".

2016, 'Twas the year of the Drumpf.

A good distraction though, with your resting orders.
 
I for one am glad that you are still posting in this thread. I've refrained from posting myself (most of the time) because events have become so crazy that I sound insane and hysterical when I'm just typing my reflections and thoughts on them. Reading your posts at least gives me the reassurance that other people do still see it as it is. Given "the other side" now has complete power that's not much, but it's something.
You're also a lot more eloquent than me, but i'll hide that fact so as to not make this post a lovefest.

:lol: Thanks mate, appreciate the kind words. :)

You picked a hell of a time to take up American politics for catharsis. It's all been "Drumpfed". I define "Drumpfed" as the feeling one gets on realising that everything has, as the result of a single person's actions, fallen into a disarrayed state of "what the feck is that about?".

2016, 'Twas the year of the Drumpf.

A good distraction though, with your resting orders.

:lol: I've been interested in American Politics for about the last 18 years or so. I've always watched the elections, but started taking a real interest in it when I first found the Internet, and obviously with that, forums and more varied news outlets.

Anyway, back on topic.....


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...limate-change-is-real/?utm_term=.68e3c06351c2

Yup The cnut elect really is just taking the piss now. At it again with "nobody really knows" shit. Usually he says that just before "Only I can fix it"

Sorry @Abizzz I wasn't too eloquent then, but Climate Change and the moron's stupidity is one area where I actually might give myself another haemorrhage worrying about it. And people have the nerve to say some of us here are being dramatic when he says shite like that? It's just so ignorant and frightening.
 
The Russians leaked the dirty deeds of the Dems.
That is why Hillary lost.
Lets overturn the elections and give the presidency to Hillary who will go on to unite our nation with love and understanding.

Oh! btw Lets also declare war on the Russians.
Sounds like a better idea than getting into a war with China the way Trump is going on about the Taiwan issue.
 
I was listening to Trump on the news last night. I can't recall any US President in my lifetime sounding so un-presidential. He has no class, no gravitas, nothing.
 
Melody Kramer, his lawyer, wrote: "Though Hillary Clinton and Timothy Kaine won the majority vote in California and are qualified for office, [Mr Koller] cannot be constitutionally compelled to vote for them.

"[He] must be allowed to exercise his judgment and free will to vote for whomever he believes to be the most qualified and fit for the offices of President and Vice President".


So feck 200m people. let 538 people decide who gets to be president? What a pointless lawsuit.
 
I thought they could vote for who they like but they would face a fine?
I had no idea.. But reading that article suggests they cant by law.
Either way, Trump won and he should be the next president. Any challenges to the system should have been made before the elections. Not now.. after the voting
 
No it wouldn't have. Russia would've risked utter annihilation in that they'd have come up against both the US and the entirety of Europe - there'd have been no benefit for them doing this whatsoever. Putin was largely flexing his muscle and now Trump's in, he'll be able to do so to a greater extent. The idea war was a certainty is laughable.

Ever heard of nuclear weapons? Both sides would be annihilated if it ever came to a full blown war between Russia and NATO.
 
Here, where? In Syria? The Russia wouldn't accept the no-fly zone demands and they wouldn't withdraw from Syria just because Hillary would insist on it. It's nonsense.
They would have no other choice but accept it. The other option is limited conventional war with NATO which they would lose. Not every conflict means automatic escalation to the nuclear option.
 
Yet...that's exactly why he won the election.

Eloquent Obama was elitist....Trump and his 3-4 word bursts are easy to follow, and easy to process.
It's really cringe and embarrassing, loads can't see it or don't care though... At least it's somewhat entertaining.
 
Trump and his 3-4 word bursts are easy to follow, and easy to process.

Agreed, perfect for a world in which communication is limited to 140 characters and a sizeable part of the voting population is medicated to the detriment of their attention span.
 
Easy to follow yet full of lies that nobody seems to care about.
Look - all that stuff is established.

The electorate are stupid and indifferent to lies. I/We get it. But, I was commenting more on his marketing/delivery/accessibility/acceptability to the masses.

In your own country - your referendum on brexit was similarly stupid. the leave campaign flat out lied time and time again...the remain campaign came out with facts and what was the result in the end?

Everyone who voted leave said - I'm not stupid or racist, I just want control of our country back :lol:
 
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I was listening to Trump on the news last night. I can't recall any US President in my lifetime sounding so un-presidential. He has no class, no gravitas, nothing.
Try reading a transcript of his speeches or rallies, you will weep.
 
Look - all that stuff is established.

The electorate are stupid and indifferent to lies. I/We get it. But, I was commenting more on his marketing/delivery/accessibility/acceptability to the masses.

In your own country - your referendum on brexit was similarly stupid. the leave campaign flat out lied time and time again...the remain campaign came out with facts and what was the result in the end?

Everyone who voted leave said - I'm not stupid or racist, I just want control of our country back :lol:
I'm American as well now :D
 
China wont go to war with the US.

We don't need any wars.

So Russia is "don't touch them, they're just rightfully maintaining their sphere of influence that has been encroached upon, and will snap and go nuke on us if we do", whilst China is "we can do whatever we want in their sphere of influence, they'll just sit around and suck their thumb"?
 
Trump to inherit state-run TV network with expanded reach

A provision tucked into the defense bill guts the Voice of America board, stoking fears that Trump could wield a powerful propaganda arm.

By Tara Palmeri

12/12/16 05:02 AM EST

Updated 12/12/16 09:50 AM EST
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“Congress unwittingly just gave President-elect Trump unchecked control of all U.S. media outlets,” said Michael Kempner, a Democratic member of the board. | AP Photo

President-elect Donald Trump is about to inherit a newly empowered Voice of America that some officials fear could serve as an unfettered propaganda arm for the former reality TV star who has flirted for years with launching his own network.

Buried on page 1,404 of the National Defense Authorization Act that passed last week is a provision that would disband the bipartisan board of the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the independent U.S. agency that includes Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia, and the Middle East Broadcast Networks.

The move – pushed by House Foreign Affairs Chairman Ed Royce as a way to streamline the agency – concentrates control into a powerful CEO that is appointed by the president.

That change, combined with a 2013 legislative revision that allows the network to legally reach a U.S. audience, which was once banned, could pave the way for Trump-approved content created by the U.S. diplomacy arm, if he chooses to exploit the opportunity.

Essentially, Trump is finally getting his Trump TV – financed by taxpayers to the tune of $800 million per year. And some of the few people in the know aren’t happy about it.

“Congress unwittingly just gave President-elect Trump unchecked control of all U.S. media outlets,” said Michael Kempner, a Democratic member of the board who was appointed by President Barack Obama and was a Hillary Clinton donor. "No president, either Democrat or Republican, should have that kind of control. It's a public jewel. It's independence is what makes it so credible."

It’s unclear whether Trump is even aware about what he’s about to inherit. Trump as recently as September said he has “no interest in a media company,” but reports have emerged over the years of the billionaire exploring television opportunities beyond Trump Productions LLC, his TV-production business that includes “The Apprentice” and the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants. Vanity Fair reported in June that he was considering launching a “mini media conglomerate” if he lost the election.

Trump transition spokespeople did not respond to requests for comment.

Now that Trump is getting for free a major media apparatus with loosened restrictions, both Democratic and Republican members of the current board are alarmed.

The Broadcasting Board of Governors is the largest public diplomacy program by the U.S. government, reaching an audience of 278 million by broadcasting in 100 countries and 61 languages. The agency was created in 1942 during World War II to send pro-Democratic news across Europe, as it aimed to counter Nazi and Japanese propaganda. The agency has since evolved into a more traditional news operation, while still pushing out the virtues of democracy worldwide.

To date, the nine-member board – which consists of four Republicans and four Democrats appointed by the president, as well as the secretary of state – has been a part-time operation, but it served as a firewall with the mission of preserving the integrity of the agency’s broadcasts. The organization's charter calls for "accuracy, balance, comprehensiveness, and objectivity."

A Republican government official familiar with the agency’s work warned that abolishing the board will make it susceptible to the influence of Trump’s allies, including his chief strategist, Steve Bannon, who ran Breitbart News before joining Trump’s campaign.

"There’s some fear among the folks here, that the firewall will get diminished and attacked and this could fall victim to propaganda," the Republican official said. "They will hire the person they want, the current CEO does not stand a chance. This will pop up on Steve Bannon’s radar quickly. They are going to put a friendly person in that job.”

Officials in particular fear that Trump and his allies could change the agency’s posture toward Russia, considering how Trump has betrayed a sympathetic nature toward President Vladimir Putin.

Multiple media outlets in the BBG family aim to counter Russia propaganda, including CurrentTime, which was introduced two years ago and broadcasts in Russia in the NPR model, and Radio Free Europe. With Radio for Asia, the U.S. also pushes back against China’s state messages, and Trump and his allies could potentially use the network to antagonize the country, which the president-elect already alarmed with his call with the Taiwanese president.

Because of the modification of the Smith-Mundt Act in 2013, the BBG can now broadcast in the U.S., too. But the influence on the domestic market could be even more subtle, the Republican official warned.

A BBG CEO influenced by the administration could penetrate established media outlets with packages, series or other news products produced by the BBG’s networks but picked up and aired by traditional media like Fox News or Breitbart. Many U.S. outlets currently use content from VOA.

“No money would even change hands, you’ve had no effect on the budget,” the official said. “But it will denigrate the product.”

The official added, “It’s extremely troubling. It’s going to be bad for U.S. international broadcasters and their credibility.”

In a sign of how significant the changes are, Hillary Clinton's transition team set up a meeting to visit the studios at 330 Independence Avenue the Wednesday following the election, according to two sources. The meeting was canceled after her loss, however, and the Trump transition team has not visited the studios.

But some top BBG officials are more measured in their reaction to Trump’s ability to influence the agency.

Jeff Shell, the chairman of the BBG’s board and an Obama appointee, said the changes to the agency’s structure were long overdue. "To have part-time board members to manage something like this is completely unrealistic, so I very much support the empowered CEO than a board,” he said, adding, “There’s always a risk with any federal agency, whether this administration or another that they’re going to use the organization in a partisan."

"Although I preferred having the board because it’s always good to have checks and balance, I am sure that the staff will continue to report journalism with 'muscular objectivity,'" Kornbluh said at the BBG's last board meeting.

But some say this firewall is still not enough to protect the organization from the pressure of some of Trump's most media savvy advisers like Bannon.

"On Jan. 21 we’ll have welcoming ceremony for our next CEO, who could be Steve Bannon, or Laura Ingraham or Ann Coulter,” said a senior Voice of America staffer.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-voice-of-america-232442

Ok so with Bannon on Team Trump the implications of Trump owned state-sponsored propaganda are pretty bad right? like, big league bad? We all know The Donald has a mate he can ring for advice on how to effectively run a state sponsored propaganda arm.
 
Every company doing business with the US.Gov that is currently trading on the stock exchange must absolutely fear Trump's twitter account.

First he hit Boeing, then the biotech sector and now it is Lockheed Martin.

Best thing is the fecker probably goes short in said companies before rambling on Twitter.
 
So Russia is "don't touch them, they're just rightfully maintaining their sphere of influence that has been encroached upon, and will snap and go nuke on us if we do", whilst China is "we can do whatever we want in their sphere of influence, they'll just sit around and suck their thumb"?
This. The fact is China are a much more dangerous proposition than Russia nowadays. Whilst the Russians are still ahead (slightly) in terms of technology and nukes, China more than makes up for it with their financial power.

Also, China has many more disputes with US allies than Russia currently do, and there are signs they can negotiate some kind of solution with Japan over the northern territories but there's no solution at all with the Senkakus.
 
They would have no other choice but accept it. The other option is limited conventional war with NATO which they would lose. Not every conflict means automatic escalation to the nuclear option.

The no fly zone proposal was daft. The Russians are established in the region and the West waltzing in and telling them not to fly their planes would be a provocation. Trying to force a leader like Putin to back down with a huge loss of face is a good way to start a war.
 
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