Is Donald going to invent a Birth Certificate for her?
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The value of voting third party exposed yet again
Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch in that case but what I mean is that people are often forced to choose between to candidates that they feel don't represent them and that they don't like.
It's a joke that the Donald has to wait until Jan 20th to get the White House.
He should walk right in there and throw that black family out and claim what is his before they turn it into a Drug den
He should walk right in there and throw that black family out and claim what is his before they turn it into a Drug den
we need to take into account that the creators of these models are often extremely biased and that polling has limits. The caf was the prime example of and echo-chamber and the caf is above average when it comes to discussions. When some polls/models showed that Trump actually had a chance, various posters simply started to post others polls/models. They just looked at the results that they liked and ignored all the rest.
Obviously yeah, otherwise you don't get a clear picture. But how to take into account these silent voters in pre-election polls I don't know yet. It just depends on the actual candidates and how much the difference is in perceived controverse between the candidates.
I can see the Scandinavian nations embracing the anti immigration line but do you seriously think the Sweds, Norwegeans and co will embrace christian values and nationalistic feelings the same way Americans do? It seems like those places have good too far in their secular liberal ways for that to change any time soon or am I totally wrong here?
Think stuff like this is not helpful.
It provides a convenient excuse, instead of the party having to look within. There is a way to horde the minority vote & still care about working class white america.
There's nothing to explain really. Hillary Clinton went into yesterday with a 71% chance of winning the Presidency. That meant Trump had about a 30% chance of winning, which was entirely plausible.
Is it not fair to suggest that there was no scientific process that predicted this? That people simply lied to pollsters?
This will be like the Moyes appointment. It will only cement Obama's legacy as one of the greatest presidents.
It isn't about one being better/worse than the other. If I was an American I wouldn't want either Trump or Clinton to be the next US president. Period.
They made a similar mistake before, long before Sarah Palin, there was Geraldine Ferraro. A politician very few had heard of, suddenly thrust into the spot light being named Mondale's running mate. They thought she would swing the female vote over to them and it would unseat Reagan. Instead we got a huge Reagan landslide where the only state he lost was Mondale's home state. Mondale's team failed to vet her properly and they paid a price for that.
Isn't that only if you unrealistically assume everyone who voted third party would have voted for Hillary instead?
That's assuming their small numbers would have all or mostly all gone to Hillary. False speculation IMO.
Unbelievable that women and Latino still voted for him in masses. Have they heard what he said about them?
This defies logic and reasoning for me. As bad as Clinton was, I never taught someone like Trump would actually be president. Kanye might really have a chance in 2020.
This defies logic and reasoning for me. As bad as Clinton was, I never taught someone like Trump would actually be president. Kanye might really have a chance in 2020.
More like Obama being the Fergie like character entrusting the Moyes like character of Clinton to not feck it up.
The problem for me is that people keep reverting to their child self and look for the perfect champions who will protect them and solve all their problems. It's as much of a ridiculous notion as believing in Santa. They pin their hopes on the idea that it only takes one "right" candidate for problems to go away. Obviously that can never happen as change and progress is painfully slow and is influenced by so many other factors other than POTUS regardless of who they are.
The only lesson: If you stoke the fire of racial prejudice and hatred, you can get people to do anything. feck education,logical thinking or any such new age bullshit.
There was an argument that American Latinos voted for him because they felt their own jobs were at risk from Mexican immigrants.
Genuinely have no idea about why Women would still vote for him though.
I know I wouldn't have voted for either of them if I were american.
Yeah, the growth is in Asia and South America if they can get a handle on corruption. China/India/Brazil will be good investment opportunities.
Could be that the polls were less representative of rural areas, lower educated people are less likely to answer polls, people were lying, lots of things. 2016 has been a pretty terrible year for pollsters though.
At the same time the US gets much criticism for being dominated by two parties. The only fix for that is for people to vote for third parties and hope they can grow.
Of course we have no idea how many would have voted for Hillary if the other party choices did not exist, well we probably do, there has to be a poll someplace, but then again do we trust any poll numbers associated with this election?
Sadly though all the work Obama did to reshape the economy after the Republicans fecked it up will only serve to give Denald an easy ride which the average joe won't be able to appreciate.
In Denmark we have 2 very anti immigration parties, the right wing have embraced it entirely in the last 5 years and they are called Dansk Folkeparti and Nye Borgerlige ( a very recently made party ). Dansk Folkeparti are certainly very nationalistic as well. Though Christianity plays little to no role in politics these years.
The only change in the comoing 4 years is morons like you will be out in force.
He's Definitely going to be assassinated at some point.
We all know that one. Us Brits would add 2015.
I defer to others on the polling etc because that's not my forte. Totally gobsmacked though. More than Brexit.
I'd hazard a guess that he's joking?
The insane folks with the guns are on his side.
Yeah, we should bomb Arkansas instead.You've got a whole lot more problematic regions than West Virginia
I suggest you read thoroughly on this matter. It is not that simple, there are many codes at different levels involved. It is not as simple as entering your email password and hitting login. The sequence you are referring to is the PAL (Permissive Action Link) code and it was indeed 8(not 6) zeros , and was permanently dialed in , at the minuteman launch facilities. Which meant, that for around 2 decades, it was possible for four people working in tandem to execute a launch . But such situation has always (and continue to) exist, for example on submarines carrying ballistic missiles.
The codes everybody is talking about are the authorization ones. Meaning that they confirm a given launch order is indeed coming from the command authority.
And right now Obama will be thinking "What the feck was the point?" because pretty much everything he worked for is going down the tube now with Trump + Republican Congress.
Just inform yourself about the resource racers Africa. Essentially, China is buying Africas natural resources without giving anything valuable in return. They are buying entire countries down there.
That doesn't surprise me. When people feel threatened or less safe (rightly or wrongly) they get defensive and retreat to self protection mode at all expense. Nothing new here. What I was expressing doubt over is those countries embracing conservative social views. From my experience Scandinavian countries are probably the most liberal when it comes to social issues in the entire world maybe which is why I think the extreme hard had a harder job. Let me put it this way, I feel if the mainstream parties addressed the immigration issue in Scandinavia, the extreme right nutters will not stand a chance.
The blame lies squarely with Hillary for not doing enough to attract people inclined to vote for 3rd party candidates.
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