The last two aren't exactly new lessons.
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The last two aren't exactly new lessons.
Before the election many here and elsewhere figured those supporting Trump and assuming that Trump had big support were living in an echo chamber. It seems that they were not alone.
It will be interesting to see the books written about Hillary's campaign and the DNC, especially by any insiders. Who inside the campaign/the party was voicing concerns (other than Bernie) and were not listened to.
It will be interesting to see the books written about Hillary's campaign and the DNC, especially by any insiders. Who inside the campaign/the party was voicing concerns (other than Bernie) and were not listened to.
Frankly IMO this election play out to China hand to world domination. What Brexit has done is practically stun EURO and its ambitions.
Now US had also commit self destruct.
As you know China is fighting for dominance and relevance for global influence,
If trump gone for isolationist way then US is practically handling some of its most prized allies that it has invested so many years eg Japan / Korea / Philippines on a silver plater to them.
(Philippine have gone to china, if trump pulls out the armies from Japan, then basically both Japan and Korea will be feck bigly)
Every time US fecked up, China is there with a warm hand. Look at Africa, how much china have invested there even Zimbabwe is using yuan currency if I am not mistaken.
And if USA pulls out from NATO who will stop Russian from more annexing of her previous states?
Now US had also commit self destruct.
As you know China is fighting for dominance and relevance for global influence,
If trump gone for isolationist way then US is practically handling some of its most prized allies that it has invested so many years eg Japan / Korea / Philippines on a silver plater to them.
(Philippine have gone to china, if trump pulls out the armies from Japan, then basically both Japan and Korea will be feck bigly)
Every time US fecked up, China is there with a warm hand. Look at Africa, how much china have invested there even Zimbabwe is using yuan currency if I am not mistaken.
And if USA pulls out from NATO who will stop Russian from more annexing of her previous states?
I used to think that as a mostly American thing, but then I started getting to know people from other countries and realized to varying extents, there's a lot of people all over the world who view things that way.
America isn't a mess?
Seriously, a country that elects Trump & can't even agree to limit sales of arms to people on the terror list? A country with an insane amount of debt.
And no, I think Germany, France and tonne of other countries are fantastic too. Maybe you being a Swede @podurban2 might feel that way, but this Englishman in Sweden who has also lived in Hong Kong, Germany, France, Norway, Northern Ireland, New Zealand & Australia definitely does not think "What isn't like Sweden = bad".
See so many complaining about the USA playing the 'World's Policeman'. Only when it suits you huh?
This is like Lex Luthor becoming president in comics... How has it actually happened in real life 
Well apparently they are fecking dump.
Good god, my hatred for that country reached new levels yesterday.
How they haven't just starved to death someday in the 19th century is beyond me, let alone becoming the most powerful nation in the world.
We should have supported the British Empire when we had the chance.
That would be a good excuse, but then you consider that Brexit gave them all the warning signs and they just ignored it.
A 'campaign of fear' simply wont help you win, and that is what her team tried to do.
Ah ok. Well most people here seem to think what isn't like us = bad. It's not something new.
Also, if US is a mess Sweden is too with criminality and unemployment in suburbs, similar to the US.
And I said that it was impossible for them, I didn't said that it was absolutely impossible.
The irony here of the type of comments you are using to express a distaste for Trump who speaks in the same style is hilarious.
It's aslo pure bollox in the main, the US & UK have just shown how unhappy they are as have a tonne of countries around the World.
They use the dollar mostly.
Based on what? You were in his corner....where do you live? And at least those codes won't be in the hands of Wiki-Leaks, or on one of Anthony Weiner's sexts.
Where do you live man? In a sand box?
Literally no-one I know thinks that way, in fact, the rise of SD tells us something very fecking different @podurban2
Sweden is a cracking place to live and Sandyland in general are a beacon imo, but there are issues here too of course.
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Y'all are the reason I am currently having to explain my prior confidence to people.
Is the lesson that scientific attempts at predicting elections are worthless?
Y'all are the reason I am currently having to explain my prior confidence to people.
Is the lesson that scientific attempts at predicting elections are worthless?
I hate the country that I live in. A sad day to be an American.
He was also very popular amongst women at the time.. Anyway, Bill wasn't running for president this term.
This is a pretty good mea culpa -
The media didn’t want to believe Trump could win. So they looked the other way.
By Margaret Sullivan Media Columnist November 9 at 12:48 AM
To put it bluntly, the media missed the story. In the end, a huge number of American voters wanted something different. And although these voters shouted and screamed it, most journalists just weren’t listening. They didn’t get it. They didn’t get that the huge, enthusiastic crowds at Donald Trump’s rallies would really translate into that many votes. They couldn’t believe that the America they knew could embrace someone who mocked a disabled man, bragged about sexually assaulting women, and spouted misogyny, racism and anti-Semitism.
It would be too horrible. So, therefore, according to some kind of magical thinking, it couldn’t happen.
Journalists — college-educated, urban and, for the most part, liberal — are more likely than ever before to live and work in New York City and Washington, D.C., or on the West Coast. And although we touched down in the big red states for a few days, or interviewed some coal miners or unemployed autoworkers in the Rust Belt, we didn’t take them seriously. Or not seriously enough.
And Trump — who called journalists scum and corrupt — alienated us so much that we couldn’t see what was before our eyes. We just kept checking our favorite prognosticating sites and feeling reassured, even though everyone knows that poll results are not votes.
After all, you never know who’ll show up to vote, especially when votes are being suppressed as never before. And even the most Clinton-leaning prognosticators allowed for some chance of a Trump win.
But no one seemed to believe it in their bones. We would have President Clinton, went the journalistic conventional wisdom, and although she would be flawed, she would be a known quantity. There was a kind of comfort there.
Make no mistake. This is an epic fail. And although eating crow is never appealing, we’ll be digesting feathers and beaks in the next weeks and months — and maybe years.
The strange thing, of course, is that the media helped to give Trump his chance.
Did journalists create Trump? Of course not — they don’t have that kind of power. But they helped him tremendously, with huge amounts of early, unfiltered exposure in the months leading up to the Republican primary season. With ridiculous emphasis put on every development about Hillary Clinton’s email practices, including the waffling of FBI Director James B. Comey.
I’m no fan of Peter Thiel, the billionaire who put Gawker out of business by bankrolling a lawsuit by Hulk Hogan, the professional wrestler. In fact, I find him appalling.
But when he spoke recently at the National Press Club, he said something that struck me as quite perceptive about Donald Trump.
“The media is always taking Trump literally. It never takes him seriously, but it always takes him literally,” Thiel said. Journalists wanted to know exactly how he would deport that many undocumented immigrants, or exactly how Trump would rid the world of the Islamic State. We wanted details.
But a lot of voters think the opposite way: They take Trump seriously but not literally.
They realize, Thiel said, that Trump doesn’t really plan to build a wall. “What they hear is, ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’ ”
Trump, quite apparently, captured the anger that Americans were feeling about issues such as trade and immigration.
And although many journalists and many news organizations did stories about the frustration and disenfranchisement of these Americans, we did not take them seriously enough.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ea1436-a623-11e6-8042-f4d111c862d1_story.html
The media didn’t want to believe Trump could win. So they looked the other way.
By Margaret Sullivan Media Columnist November 9 at 12:48 AM
To put it bluntly, the media missed the story. In the end, a huge number of American voters wanted something different. And although these voters shouted and screamed it, most journalists just weren’t listening. They didn’t get it. They didn’t get that the huge, enthusiastic crowds at Donald Trump’s rallies would really translate into that many votes. They couldn’t believe that the America they knew could embrace someone who mocked a disabled man, bragged about sexually assaulting women, and spouted misogyny, racism and anti-Semitism.
It would be too horrible. So, therefore, according to some kind of magical thinking, it couldn’t happen.
Journalists — college-educated, urban and, for the most part, liberal — are more likely than ever before to live and work in New York City and Washington, D.C., or on the West Coast. And although we touched down in the big red states for a few days, or interviewed some coal miners or unemployed autoworkers in the Rust Belt, we didn’t take them seriously. Or not seriously enough.
And Trump — who called journalists scum and corrupt — alienated us so much that we couldn’t see what was before our eyes. We just kept checking our favorite prognosticating sites and feeling reassured, even though everyone knows that poll results are not votes.
After all, you never know who’ll show up to vote, especially when votes are being suppressed as never before. And even the most Clinton-leaning prognosticators allowed for some chance of a Trump win.
But no one seemed to believe it in their bones. We would have President Clinton, went the journalistic conventional wisdom, and although she would be flawed, she would be a known quantity. There was a kind of comfort there.
Make no mistake. This is an epic fail. And although eating crow is never appealing, we’ll be digesting feathers and beaks in the next weeks and months — and maybe years.
The strange thing, of course, is that the media helped to give Trump his chance.
Did journalists create Trump? Of course not — they don’t have that kind of power. But they helped him tremendously, with huge amounts of early, unfiltered exposure in the months leading up to the Republican primary season. With ridiculous emphasis put on every development about Hillary Clinton’s email practices, including the waffling of FBI Director James B. Comey.
I’m no fan of Peter Thiel, the billionaire who put Gawker out of business by bankrolling a lawsuit by Hulk Hogan, the professional wrestler. In fact, I find him appalling.
But when he spoke recently at the National Press Club, he said something that struck me as quite perceptive about Donald Trump.
“The media is always taking Trump literally. It never takes him seriously, but it always takes him literally,” Thiel said. Journalists wanted to know exactly how he would deport that many undocumented immigrants, or exactly how Trump would rid the world of the Islamic State. We wanted details.
But a lot of voters think the opposite way: They take Trump seriously but not literally.
They realize, Thiel said, that Trump doesn’t really plan to build a wall. “What they hear is, ‘We’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.’ ”
Trump, quite apparently, captured the anger that Americans were feeling about issues such as trade and immigration.
And although many journalists and many news organizations did stories about the frustration and disenfranchisement of these Americans, we did not take them seriously enough.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ea1436-a623-11e6-8042-f4d111c862d1_story.html
Every morning when I wake up, I worry about Zimbabwe and their unholy alliance with China. Scare shit. Think about what they could do together! I mean…really…think about it…
You shouldn't hate the country or the voters, look at the alternatives and realise that we are victims of the system. You know, people talk about democracy but ultimately we don't choose the candidates and are too often asked to vote between the pestilence and the cholera.
This was very much an anti-clinton vote imo. They're taken as a pair and along with their Foundation. It was pure hubris by the DNC to think they could get away with foisting his wife on the electorate because she would get the female vote.
But both parties need to have a massive introspection as to how their candidates are chosen and the poverty of good candidates that they have. Because ultimately when both candidates are views as mostly unfavourable it shows that the primaries screwed up.
I have to disagree with this. It's not that scientific attempts are worthless by definition, they simply have to take into account the real contributing factors. It is not advisable to believe in pre-election polls, especially when 1 candidate is extremely controversial because his voters will likely not say it out loud.
So, who's up for some 'humanitarian intervention' in the US?
And to be fair, the "movement" (anti immigration, nationalist values, "christian" values) is very much on the rise in Sweden as well. Finland are probably even worse? Norway are definitely heading in that direction. Don't know about Denmark, but i can't imagine it being much different. The only thing we can really brag about is that we accept a high taxation, welfare state model.
The code has been 000000 for almost four decades, that is publicly known. No, I'm not joking.
Go home and educate yourself. Africa is a problem and not only Zimbabwe.
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Thanks but I have read somewhere they plan to adopt the Chinese yuan as legal tender in return for some debt cancellation
Well yeah, it already happened in Finland, Norway, Denmark, and Iceland.
We could bomb West Virginia.
I guess he got loads of free publicity with the long list of absolutely crazy shit he said
I don't know why people put both of them in the same basket. Trump makes Clinton look like an angel. The values he stands for are appalling, and I definitely haven't seen the anything of the like from Hilary even if she's an average candidate.
She's not an idiot. She wouldn't do that. She'd favour military intervention but she wouldn't push for it outright.
I think you need to help me. I am just too daft to figure it out on my own. Please help me and tell me how the world works.I posted last week sometime in the thread that's now locked, that many on your side of the pond were underestimating the fatigue here for the 'Clinton Cartel'. You are also overestimating Obama's popularity and pull. He is popular, yes, on a personal level. His policies? Not nearly as much. It was apparent Dems were concerned when he, Michele, and other heavy hitters campaigned heavily in Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio over the last two weeks. She lost all of them.
Ivanka will be the first woman POTUS
So your view is we need to take in to account the likelihood of controversial views being understated in polling?
Still can't believe he won.
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