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Damn, that caught him mid-expression.

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Mueller might very well be the most important person in the world right now. There is so much depending on him and this investigation.
This person must be removed as quickly and cleanly as possible.
 
My uncle is gonna lose his shit :lol:

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On a serious note, although it is about time something was done, I think he could be in danger of inciting riots unless this is handled extremely carefully. Trump's words tonight will only have emboldened the far right and made them more likely to take action at something like this.
 
If you are interested and have a spare 30 mins it's well worth a google. He used to phone up News Channels pretending to be his own publicist and some of them are hilarious. Well they are all hilarious because he genuinely believes nobody knows it was him on the phone. Even before he was President or even on The Apprentice he was still well known and had one of the most recognisable voices in the world. :lol:

After listening just remind yourself he was voted President.

I just can't believe it's real, any of it, not someone doing this, not denying it and not becoming President of the United States. There's been one helluva glitch in the Matrix and nobody is looking out to correct it.

How does he even exist, the fecking ridiculous cockwomble, he's not real, he can't be.
 
Slavery by native Indians? That's a new one.

Probably bs.

They actually did keep slaves, mostly members of opposing tribes but also a fair number of Africans, in fact a fair few black slaves were present during the Trail of Tears.

All that is in the past though, humanity has moved forward from that and recognises that it's vastly immoral in this age, we've evolved ourselves and using incidents from the past to justify the present is patently bullshit.
 
All that is in the past though, humanity has moved forward from that and recognises that it's vastly immoral in this age, we've evolved ourselves and using incidents from the past to justify the present is patently bullshit.
There are currently more slaves in the world than at any point in history. And I don't mean wage slaves, I mean people kept as if owned by another.
 
My uncle is gonna lose his shit :lol:

There are veto-proof majorities in both levels of state govt. It's a state which is intensely polarised between liberal cities and conservative countryside, and where the GOP primary was a walkover for Trump.
I'm not seeing this pass.
 
That Indians, Africans or muslims kept slaves isn't the fecking point - no indian or african is saying let's glorify those days - because fighting to keep slavery around was heroic.

Aah...who cares..what does it matter what Tucker fecking Carlson say. The president said who fight white supremacists are as bad as white supremacists.

That's the takeaway here. Everything else is just noise.
 
There are currently more slaves in the world than at any point in history. And I don't mean wage slaves, I mean people kept as if owned by another.

Per capita?
 
I'm also a history buff who hates revisionism, but putting a plaque next to it isn't going to cut it. Put them in a museum in an exhibition with the context explained sure, but a lot of these monuments dominate the approaches to state buildings and African Americans have to pass these reminders of slavery on a daily basis.

I think they are what we make them. I view them as the last gasp of a movement that sought to de-legitimize black people in American society, during slavery and Jim Crow. Again, I understand how others see it, and if they come down then they come down.



North Carolina passed legislation that prohibits the taking down of Confederate statues unless signed off on by a historical group, effectively killing off any legal avenue to getting the statue in Durham removed. Hence the extralegal course of action.
 
I think they are what we make them. I view them as the last gasp of a movement that sought to de-legitimize black people in American society, during slavery and Jim Crow. Again, I understand how others see it, and if they come down then they come down.



North Carolina passed legislation that prohibits the taking down of Confederate statues unless signed off on by a historical group, effectively killing off any legal avenue to getting the statue in Durham removed. Hence the extralegal course of action.

Well true, but surely bringing down confederate monuments by vigilante mobs is probably not the best course of action here
 
Can I just take a moment to point out the irony of the "America first" voters complaining about the removal of statues of people who put America second...
 
There are veto-proof majorities in both levels of state govt. It's a state which is intensely polarised between liberal cities and conservative countryside, and where the GOP primary was a walkover for Trump.
I'm not seeing this pass.
I know... but my uncle is still gonna lose his shit about this.

He makes a pilgrimage every year to the battlefield of Chickamauga to see where his (and my) great great great great whatever grandfather was shot and killed by a Union soldier
 
Well true, but surely bringing down confederate monuments by vigilante mobs is probably not the best course of action here

The best course of action is waiting until the state demographics change to the extent that a majority democratic state Congress can repeal the law allowing for Confederate statues to be removed. In like 20 years or so.

Not sure people are willing to wait much longer, and if they are willing to risk personal freedom, who am I to tell them otherwise?

Side note, but the period leading up to and including the Civil War, along with Reconstruction and the subsequent nadir, are my favorite period of US history. It's fascinating how much emotion that time evokes on both sides, even today.
 
The best course of action is waiting until the state demographics change to the extent that a majority democratic state Congress can repeal the law allowing for Confederate statues to be removed. In like 20 years or so.

Not sure people are willing to wait much longer, and if they are willing to risk personal freedom, who am I to tell them otherwise?

Side note, but the period leading up to and including the Civil War, along with Reconstruction and the subsequent nadir, are my favorite period of US history. It's fascinating how much emotion that time evokes on both sides, even today.

Not sure that's the best advice right now adex, FFS. We need a period of calm down for all people concerned. Doubtful with this orange clown in charge.
 
Not sure that's the best advice right now adex, FFS. We need a period of calm down for all people concerned. Doubtful with this orange clown in charge.

The problem with such a stance is that it places us peace-seekers in the perfect position to get "Letter from Birmingham Jail"'ed.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"

http://abacus.bates.edu/admin/offices/dos/mlk/letter.html
 
Are you advocating a call for arms then? I should feck off back to India soon :nervous:

:lol: no, I think we're safe for the time being.

I condemn violence against human beings and property. I think protestors who don't are in danger of losing the moral ground. But civil disobedience in pursuit of a moral good should be fine.
 
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