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Javi said:
I think you're jumping the ship on conclusions a bit too much. You make it sound like they've all been proven criminals when afaik all we have is some circumstancial evidence, apart from the two cases of lying under oath (Mattis and Sessions). From Kushner's statement - which ofc has been carefully written and examined by his attorneys - we can gather that not all meetings have to be mentioned, so the fact that he left 100 meetings off doesn't really offer anything, because they could have just been campaign/business meetings. Naturally, they could also be collusion, but in the nature of criminal investigation the benefit of the doubt is with the suspect.

Also there is no way Mueller is waiting with playing his cards in order to see if they are going to lie in future or not. Just doesn't work like that. He has enough when he has investigated all possible leads, not when he has found something illegal - in part because of the fact that not everything illegal is from the same weight.

Lying to the public or the press is common in politics and I have nothing seen yet that would suggest that it is illegal. It's bad practice, that's for sure but not illegal. Lying under oath is another matter altogether, still there are various degree in wrongdoing. Sessions forgot to mention that he met with russians iirc - he lied, that's obv. wrong - but that in itself is no proof of collusion (who gets jailed for missing an asset on tax return?). So saying others are blind when using that sort of undifferentiated language imo is only moderately credible.
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Not sure what you're trying to say. They either broke laws or they didn't, it will come out in the investigation. We all have our own minds and will believe what we choose to believe until there is one indisputable truth. My question to you is, what do you believe?
 
Javi said:
I think you're jumping the ship on conclusions a bit too much. You make it sound like they've all been proven criminals when afaik all we have is some circumstancial evidence
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There is clear evidence that Trump has broken conflicts laws and the emoluments clause too, he even admitted as much himself. Both Trump and his spokespeople and lawyers have all said that those laws don't apply to the President so it's all up in the air at the moment. So you see on those laws the question isn't is he guilty, more do the laws actually apply to Trump? Many scholars and legal experts say they most definitely do. Put that together with Sessions and Flynn both lying under oath, and strong evidence against Kushner, Fart Jr and Manafort and there are more laws that have been broken.
 
MTF said:
You can actually buy support of smaller nations with what might amount to national level "bribes", essentially funding for whatever that country might deem most relevant at the time. If the local leaders will then make good us of the funds is another matter entirely...

Obviously doesn't apply so much at high level, big power politics. But mostly whoever occupied the State Dept. now and whoever might occupy it next will have a tough time having that much impact on the agenda. It seems to me to be a position and whole Department that is only influential when whoever POTUS is makes sure the head of it stands front-and-center in foreign policy issues. We've seen before, even during GWB admin, that there's 10 other departments, agencies, etc. vying to direct the foreign policy positions. Be it Defense, NSC, CIA, the VP, Chieff of Staff or even the AG when he happens to be the President's brother (RFK).
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Yeah, I don't think Rex really had a chance from the start. He has been undercut at every turn, between having a half-staffed State Department and the special one Kush getting special foreign projects.
 


Perfect retort, and absolutely right too, the comments are beneath the dignity of the Presidency. He's supposed to be a role model for goodness sake.
 
langster said:


Perfect retort, and absolutely right too, the comments are beneath the dignity of the Presidency. He's supposed to be a role model for goodness sake.
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Role model? Sorry but that job requirement went out the window the moment he was nominated.
 


UGH! Seriously it had been almost bearable in recent months with this fruitcake in hiding. Anyone fancy taking bets on if he does replace Reince, how long before a) He's accused of collusion? b) It's announced he's under investigation? :lol:

Out of all of Trump's deplorable staff, followers and apologists, I think Rudy has to be the most odious. He's truly despicable.

sglowrider said:
Role model? Sorry but that job requirement went out the window the moment he was nominated.
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Oh I agree, for sure.
 
afrocentricity said:
Not sure what you're trying to say. They either broke laws or they didn't, it will come out in the investigation. We all have our own minds and will believe what we choose to believe until there is one indisputable truth. My question to you is, what do you believe?
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It's not a question of believing. They broke the laws when there is enough evidence for doing so, for some things there is evidence (lying), for others not so much (collusion). It makes a huge difference whether they worked out a plan on how to get fake votes or whether they just lied about a russian meeting of little importance. It's clearly not the same level of wrongdoing and therefore should also get another level of response.
 
Trumpy will bin Danza out of jealousy if the cameras are allowed back.
 
I imagine that Scaramanga will be an annoying show-off like Jimmy Fallon at press conferences, so Trump will soon resent him stealing the President's limelight.
 
SteveJ said:
Now, if you're blue
And you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where fashion sits...
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Planned to shamelessly steal this for a few likes but figure it's been tweeted before
 
Not sure if anyone listens to the Sam Harris podcast (would highly recommend it), but on his recent episode he had a guy on there called Mark Bowden who writes for The Atlantic, Vanity Fair and various other outlets.

Anyway, the show was predominantly about North Korea and the nuclear threat that they pose, but at the end of the podcast they talked about Trump for 10 minutes because Bowden actually spent some time with him in the late 90s writing an article on him for Playboy.

He goes on to talk about how proud the Donald was about being the first male on the cover and how much he admired the whole Playboy concept. Bowden also says that he is probably one of the most loathsome figures he has ever met, and over the course of the weekend Trump would throw many temper tantrums in front of everyone (he was in his 50s at the time) and would just constantly lie.

There was one story in particular that stood out. Trump was playing tennis and he didn’t like the way the electric pumps were mounted on the water fountains on the clay courts, so he proceeded to have a huge tantrum and started kicking and pulling on the electric pumps like child, which obviously resulted in him ripping up the motor and flooding all the tennis courts.

To try and stop Bowden from writing about it, Trump tried to bribe him by giving him the opportunity to write his next book, which Bowden turned down and published the article anyway.
 
BusbyMalone said:
There was one story in particular that stood out. Trump was playing tennis and he didn’t like the way the electric pumps were mounted on the water fountains on the clay courts, so he proceeded to have a huge tantrum...
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He hasn't changed. There was that video that a reporter shot from across the lawn into the window of one of the WH rooms where he was roaring at Bannon et al.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Not sure if anyone listens to the Sam Harris podcast (would highly recommend it), but on his recent episode he had a guy on there called Mark Bowden who writes for The Atlantic, Vanity Fair and various other outlets.

Anyway, the show was predominantly about North Korea and the nuclear threat that they pose, but at the end of the podcast they talked about Trump for 10 minutes because Bowden actually spent some time with him in the late 90s writing an article on him for Playboy.

He goes on to talk about how proud the Donald was about being the first male on the cover and how much he admired the whole Playboy concept. Bowden also says that he is probably one of the most loathsome figures he has ever met, and over the course of the weekend Trump would throw many temper tantrums in front of everyone (he was in his 50s at the time) and would just constantly lie.

There was one story in particular that stood out. Trump was playing tennis and he didn’t like the way the electric pumps were mounted on the water fountains on the clay courts, so he proceeded to have a huge tantrum and started kicking and pulling on the electric pumps like child, which obviously resulted in him ripping up the motor and flooding all the tennis courts.

To try and stop Bowden from writing about it, Trump tried to bribe him by giving him the opportunity to write his next book, which Bowden turned down and published the article anyway.
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I'll give it a listen. Bowden is one of my overall favorite authors. Has good access in DC and shadier parts of the military it seems, and writes in a compelling way. His piece on N Korea a few weeks ago at The Atlantic was a pretty grim summary of the options we're faced with.
 
MTF said:
I'll give it a listen. Bowden is one of my overall favorite authors. Has good access in DC and shadier parts of the military it seems, and writes in a compelling way. His piece on N Korea a few weeks ago at The Atlantic was a pretty grim summary of the options we're faced with.
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It's a very good listen. I have to admit i didn't know a great deal about him going in, but he came across as very smart guy with good sense of humour. The subject matter is pretty grim, as you can imagine, but would definitely recommend it.
 
Rado_N said:
The WH Director of Communications is talking with emojis.

FML.
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I hope he gets into an emoji fight on twitter with Chelsea Manning. It would stand alongside the CNN meme as the best moment of this presidency.
 
Javi said:
It's not a question of believing. They broke the laws when there is enough evidence for doing so, for some things there is evidence (lying), for others not so much (collusion). It makes a huge difference whether they worked out a plan on how to get fake votes or whether they just lied about a russian meeting of little importance. It's clearly not the same level of wrongdoing and therefore should also get another level of response.
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You're stating the obvious tho. Clearly there are different degrees with which they may have broken the law. I'm assuming what you are trying to say is that if he had only broken relatively 'minor' laws then it's not that serious? I honestly thought people wanted and expected more from there government.

I asked you what did you believe because I assumed you would say that he broke laws, or that he didn't. You seem to be saying that, the extent to which he broke laws is what's important to you, not the fact that he broke them?
 
Literally Trumps first sentence and he practically shouted the words "BIG FAT UGLY LIE" completely without any hint of irony.

He's now lying his arse off and struggling to read from the autocue and embarrassingly stopping to chat to the kids he has behind him. Another dirty trick, and completely shameless.

:lol: Oh my, he's just so embarrassing. He really is becoming more and more like David Brent each and every day.
 
So bets on who goes first, Tillerson or Sessions? I got Tillerson.

I'll check if some website is offering odds on Ivanka for VP and stick a tenner.
 
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Wednesday at Stoke said:
So bets on who goes first, Tillerson or Sessions? I got Tillerson.
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I think Tillerson's stepping down is related to the House and Senate passing the Russia sanction saving bill.

It's game over for Tillerson's mission.

If that's the case and Russia feel the Trump experiment is over, then Trump should be terrified. I don't think Russia will have any loyalty to him, the experiment will have a killswitch which consists of exposing the whole thing and throwing the whole American democratic system into chaotic ridicule.
 
Pexbo said:
I think Tillerson's stepping down is related to the House and Senate passing the Russia sanction saving bill.

It's game over for Tillerson's mission.

If that's the case and Russia feel the Trump experiment is over, then Trump should be terrified. I don't think Russia will have any loyalty to him, the experiment will have a killswitch which consists of exposing the whole thing and throwing the whole American democratic system into chaotic ridicule.
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Not just ridicule.

There are no mechanisms for an early election, this administration has to continue on for the 4 year term, and if it goes as far as pence and ryan and takes them down too, the US will be essentially crippled until 2020. Putin must be laughing his ass off, he can't lose whatever goes on.
 
Pexbo said:
I think Tillerson's stepping down is related to the House and Senate passing the Russia sanction saving bill.

It's game over for Tillerson's mission.

If that's the case and Russia feel the Trump experiment is over, then Trump should be terrified. I don't think Russia will have any loyalty to him, the experiment will have a killswitch which consists of exposing the whole thing and throwing the whole American democratic system into chaotic ridicule.
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Good observation. That might make sense of all the urgency to get the investigations done now so they can cry fake news again if and when new evidence emerges.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Not just ridicule.

There are no mechanisms for an early election, this administration has to continue on for the 4 year term, and if it goes as far as pence and ryan and takes them down too, the US will be essentially crippled until 2020. Putin must be laughing his ass off, he can't lose whatever goes on.
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It's actually a very dangerous time for Russia. If there's one thing that's always true about America, it's that they react to things in an over the top and dramatic fashion. If it's proven that Russia fecked with them, made them a laughing stock and compromised their security, then the kickback from that could be extreme. America is still by far the most powerful nation on earth, and a horribly dangerous enemy to make.
 
afrocentricity said:
You're stating the obvious tho. Clearly there are different degrees with which they may have broken the law. I'm assuming what you are trying to say is that if he had only broken relatively 'minor' laws then it's not that serious? I honestly thought people wanted and expected more from there government.

I asked you what did you believe because I assumed you would say that he broke laws, or that he didn't. You seem to be saying that, the extent to which he broke laws is what's important to you, not the fact that he broke them?
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For me it was obvious, but it didn't seem so clear for you, when you stated that 'he either broke the law or not'. But you meant it another way presumably.

I'm saying both are important - stating the obvious.;)
 
Kentonio said:
It's actually a very dangerous time for Russia. If there's one thing that's always true about America, it's that they react to things in an over the top and dramatic fashion. If it's proven that Russia fecked with them, made them a laughing stock and compromised their security, then the kickback from that could be extreme. America is still by far the most powerful nation on earth, and a horribly dangerous enemy to make.
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War won't be a realistic option. A feck tonne of crippling sanctions will be.
 
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