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Hopefully they keep up the pressure with this, it's blatant as anything.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's fecking shameful is what it is. Like a petulant teenager getting the biggest job in the world. The exact opposite of statesmanlike. Embarrassing.
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The Firestarter said:
And what is even more embarrassing, the career politicians that are now eating their words and sucking up to that man child.
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It's as if people like yourselves are just not learning from what the people are saying (whether it's Brexit, Trump or other extreme movements both sides of the political spectrum)!
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
They were concerned citizens rightly beseeching the VP elect to uphold their rights, given the kind of campaign he helped ran and the kind of violence and hateful rhetorics that followed his triumph. What's childish about that? It was a planned, formal statement delivered with propriety. Outburst?

For supposedly tough guys, they aren't half lilies when it comes to criticisms.

And party or ideology have nothing to do with the papers not taking on Drumpf. The normalisation process began the moment he won, they all care about access.
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Did that happen everytime Obama or any other leader goes out?!
Give me a break - the patronising 'listen to me my point of view is soo important' is what turns people off (see Brexit, Trump and other extreme movements both sides of the political spectrum).
 
Member 5225 said:
Did that happen everytime Obama or any other leader goes out?!
Give me a break - the patronising 'listen to me my point of view is soo important' is what turns people off (see Brexit, Trump and other extreme movements both sides of the political spectrum).
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Aww, you think they should have a safe space away from meanie Broadway performers?
 
Member 5225 said:
Did that happen everytime Obama or any other leader goes out?!
Give me a break - the patronising 'listen to me my point of view is soo important' is what turns people off (see Brexit, Trump and other extreme movements both sides of the political spectrum).
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Obama didn't make race baiting a cornerstone of his candidacy or presidency.

And the rest is nonsensical. If anything, the numbskulls who worship the Cheeto are the ones bleating on and on about their Christian white POV.
 
Member 5225 said:
It's as if people like yourselves are just not learning from what the people are saying (whether it's Brexit, Trump or other extreme movements both sides of the political spectrum)!
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Has been done to death, but again: There is a difference between Brexit and Trump. Less people voted for Trump compared to Romney. Less people overall voted for Trump compared to HRC. The election was lost because of the shortcomings of the democratic candidate and internal partly meddling, which reduced the enthusiasm of their voter base. Trump is not the phenomenon that swept the entire nation, although his supporters clearly have the loudest voices.
 
The Firestarter said:
Has been done to death, but again: There is a difference between Brexit and Trump. Less people voted for Trump compared to Romney. Less people overall voted for Trump compared to HRC. The election was lost because of the shortcomings of the democratic candidate and internal partly meddling, which reduced the enthusiasm of their voter base. Trump is not the phenomenon that swept the entire nation, although his supporters clearly have the loudest voices.
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I would say the complete opposite....
 
Oh and @Paz , explain this to me then? Where's the 'childish outburst' in this case?



Maybe, you know, Occam's razor and all, it's the exceptionally thin skinned man-child after all eh?
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Oh and @Paz , explain this to me then? Where's the 'childish outburst' in this case?



Maybe, you know, Occam's razor and all, it's the exceptionally thin skinned man-child after all eh?
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What's there to explain. These left-wing 'comedy' satrical shows (of which I have to admit I watch occassionally and am a fan!) - are incredibly childish and one-sided. I do cringe.

ps. Just to be clear, I am not a Trump t-shirt supporting enthusiast, but I am disheartened at how the reaction has been, and almost lack of intellectual argument/acceptance at there being a problem (in society). A smart centre-ground candidate/politician would observe, acknowledge and communicate with these people rather than write them all off: 'oh they're all stupid' 'oh they're all racists' etc. There was a ton of people that voted Obama in 2008 and even 2012 that voted Trump in 2016, you know....
 
Member 5225 said:
What's there to explain. These left-wing 'comedy' satrical shows (of which I have to admit I watch occassionally and am a fan!) - are incredibly childish and one-sided. I do cringe.

ps. Just to be clear, I am not a Trump t-shirt supporting enthusiast, but I am disheartened at how the reaction has been, and almost lack of intellectual argument/acceptance at there being a problem (in society). A smart centre-ground candidate/politician would observe, acknowledge and communicate with these people rather than write them all off: 'oh they're all stupid' 'oh they're all racists' etc. There was a ton of people that voted Obama in 2008 and even 2012 that voted Trump in 2016, you know....
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There's been tons of this. If you haven't read anything you haven't been looking. But that's separate from the initial impressions of Trump as President-elect so far, which is so far uniformly bad in organisation, cabinet selection and ethics. And we haven't even got to the bit where he's making tough decisions yet.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Oh and @Paz , explain this to me then? Where's the 'childish outburst' in this case?



Maybe, you know, Occam's razor and all, it's the exceptionally thin skinned man-child after all eh?
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Does this guy not know he's about to become president ffs?
 
Member 5225 said:
ps. Just to be clear, I am not a Trump t-shirt supporting enthusiast, but I am disheartened at how the reaction has been, and almost lack of intellectual argument/acceptance at there being a problem (in society). A smart centre-ground candidate/politician would observe, acknowledge and communicate with these people rather than write them all off: 'oh they're all stupid' 'oh they're all racists' etc. There was a ton of people that voted Obama in 2008 and even 2012 that voted Trump in 2016, you know....
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There have been many many many psychological profile and investigative pieces into his core constituency, their social and economic woes for the past year and a half. And there are plenty of post-mortems on a variety of mediums regarding the backlash that leads to his ascendancy.

That does not mean, however, that we wave away the blatant dog whistle and nudge nudge wink wink him and his cult engaged in with the less savoury segments of society. And people rightly concerned about their well being have the right to seek assurance for their legal rights/safety without fear of retaliation from the most powerful man on Earth.
 
Member 5225 said:
What's there to explain. These left-wing 'comedy' satrical shows (of which I have to admit I watch occassionally and am a fan!) - are incredibly childish and one-sided. I do cringe.
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That technically isn't an answer i.e. you're essentially saying everything Hamilton does is childish. Can you explain what their speech about diversity at the end was "incredibly childish"? I don't quite get why it would end up angering the person who will be the most powerful man on Earth soon enough.
 
Member 5225 said:
What's there to explain. These left-wing 'comedy' satrical shows (of which I have to admit I watch occassionally and am a fan!) - are incredibly childish and one-sided. I do cringe.

ps. Just to be clear, I am not a Trump t-shirt supporting enthusiast, but I am disheartened at how the reaction has been, and almost lack of intellectual argument/acceptance at there being a problem (in society). A smart centre-ground candidate/politician would observe, acknowledge and communicate with these people rather than write them all off: 'oh they're all stupid' 'oh they're all racists' etc. There was a ton of people that voted Obama in 2008 and even 2012 that voted Trump in 2016, you know....
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Honestly I don't think you would have seen any of this if the nominee and his team weren't so disgusting. There would have been disappointment but not this. It doesn't matter that some Trump voters aren't intentionally racist/sexist etc. They've enabled him and his team. It amounts to the same thing unless they now stand up to him.
 
Member 5225 said:
What's there to explain. These left-wing 'comedy' satrical shows (of which I have to admit I watch occassionally and am a fan!) - are incredibly childish and one-sided. I do cringe.

ps. Just to be clear, I am not a Trump t-shirt supporting enthusiast, but I am disheartened at how the reaction has been, and almost lack of intellectual argument/acceptance at there being a problem (in society). A smart centre-ground candidate/politician would observe, acknowledge and communicate with these people rather than write them all off: 'oh they're all stupid' 'oh they're all racists' etc. There was a ton of people that voted Obama in 2008 and even 2012 that voted Trump in 2016, you know....
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As opposed that right wing Brietbart publication which is authentic and mature? As an outsider, to me, both sides appear to be biased and backing the side they support. Which isn't that big a deal given at least in this elections both campaigns stood for/projected very different values. However , as an open minded individual who dislikes racism, sexist, sexual assault, I do find these "left wing comedies" to be making what seems like sense to me. When Trump behaves like an asshole and makes a tit of himself, I find the reaction to laugh and mock him, natural. Yeah, they're biased alright. But even as an outsider I find it hard not to be harsh on such an idiot.
 
Member 5225 said:
It's as if people like yourselves are just not learning from what the people are saying (whether it's Brexit, Trump or other extreme movements both sides of the political spectrum)!
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You realise that unlike Brexit Trump is behind in the popular vote? By around 1.5 mil last I saw.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Who's going to impeach him?

Reps are shit scared of him, Dems are shit scared of Mr. Conversion Therapy.
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If he clearly violates the law, he is likely to be impeached. A vast majority of GOP congress members aren't Trump loyalists so if he winds up in an adversarial relationship with them and they have grounds for impeachment, they will do it since Pence - who is very popular in GOP circles - is waiting in the wings.
 
Even if he's not impeached, then a continual focus on a story like this, where he's flouting the constitution and engaging in corruption (and hypocrisy accordingly) should help in cementing his unpopularity.
 
Raoul said:
If he clearly violates the law, he is likely to be impeached. A vast majority of GOP congress members aren't Trump loyalists so if he winds up in an adversarial relationship with them and they have grounds for impeachment, they will do it since Pence - who is very popular in GOP circles - is waiting in the wings.
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So you are saying they will put country before party, which to date, there's scant evidence of them ever doing so? Because, make no mistake, impeaching the God Emperor = a surefire way of sinking the party's short term prospect and whoever votes for impeachment will most likely lose his seat for an alt right primary opponent.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
So you are saying they will put country before party, which to date, there's scant evidence of them ever doing so? Because, make no mistake, impeaching the God Emperor = a surefire way of sinking the party's short term prospect and whoever votes for impeachment will most likely lose his seat for an alt right primary opponent.
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They would have to, otherwise they would be perceived as indulging blatant corruption and wind up losing Congress and the Presidency in the next two election cycles.
 
Another thing that I'm not sure has been looked at too closely is whether the voters that surged for Trump are going to be likely midterm voters. That could be very important.
 
Raoul said:
They would have to, otherwise they would be perceived as indulging blatant corruption and wind up losing Congress and the Presidency in the next two election cycles.
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But that's the point isn't it? Stick with him, corruption and all, and they still have a chance, which was the case. Ditching him and his minions go with him, and they lose 100%.

Color me skeptical, but the chance of enough Republicans sign on to pass impeachment is exceedingly slim.
 
Ubik said:
Another thing that I'm not sure has been looked at too closely is whether the voters that surged for Trump are going to be likely midterm voters. That could be very important.
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I wouldn't think they would - this was a one off situation on Nov 8th, where people who hadn't voted in the past few elections actually came out to vote because of Trump and his well marketed Crooked Hillary. If in a year or so it appears as though he can't/won't/has no intention to implement his core policies of immigration, build a wall, mass deportations, and economic nationalism, then those voters are likely to stay home or in some instances vote against him, especially if he is dogged by corruption allegations along the way, which at this point is shaping up to be a sure thing.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
But that's the point isn't it? Stick with him, corruption and all, and they still have a chance, which was the case. Ditching him and his minions go with him, and they lose 100%.

Color me skeptical, but the chance of enough Republicans sign on to pass impeachment is exceedingly slim.
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That's bizarre logic. If he's exposed as corrupt, a vast majority of Congress will be under extreme pressure by the public and media to get rid of him. They are not going to double down on rampant corruption as if that is a winning strategy for them. They will get voted out of Congress in a heartbeat. Getting rid of Trump in favor of a true and likeable by their standards, Conservative like Pence, will be the far more politically expedient action.
 
I think I'm going to put money on him being impeached.

Not even sworn in yet and he's already managed to stir up an absolute shitshow.
 
Would you swap Trump for May.. might be controversial but I think she is absolutely awful and possibly more out of her depth than he is.
 
Those three Indian bozos were too stupid to keep their mouths shut weren't they? Had to brag about meeting the president elect on twitter. I love it, he does have aa way to pick from the bottom dregs of human intellect.
 
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