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Of course if Hillary had done the same it would be a different issue; running for President is entirely different to being the first lady.

But the standards are set up differently are they not?
Look at George Bush & the scandals his private life caused & compare that with Obama's term as presidency and how many hate Michelle simply for existing.

oh I see you were slut shaming but in a good way.

I didn't slut shame, I pointed out what she did. I've been corrected and it wasn't porn but nude photos instead, but it's still something she did.
Slut shaming would be ridiculing her for doing it. Which I didn't do at any point.

She isn't a porn star. She did nude photo shoots as a model.

Trump still has to appear soon for some court cases right? Awkward.

No doubt they'll magically disappear.
 
I feel a bit more calm. I don't think he himself will end up being that bad.

Where it'll really hurt? The fact that Republicans hold Congress, the Presidency, and a lot of Local government. With that, and the Supreme Court justices who will be appointed, it will not be good.


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You have no idea.
 
I am just baffled by all this. I checked which Facebook friends of mine liked Trump on Facebook and I kid you not, there are muslims and feminists among them. :lol: I don't get this world.
 
BO called Trump already... he's a better man than me. In his position I'd just sulk in the presidential bedroom, play videogames and tell them to call Biden if they need anything decided.

I was quite shocked yesterday when I went to bed. I don't think it is going to as bad as people think. Maybe this vote saves France from the FN. Obama is to blame as well for this. All the leading democrats are. Dunno how deluded they were. Just like this forum; the media created one big echo-chamber. The democratic campaign strategists should all the fired without getting a single penny. Hopefully that will shakes up both parties. The Clintons need to feck off now. 90% of the GOP leadership need to feck off as well. No point in the likes of Bush and Romney coming back.

BO should get s segment in the daily show for a stand-up routine about the Donald.
 
This reminds me a lot of Piketty's writings - the West is becoming more and more unequal, to unseen levels in our lifetime. The current response is a pivot to right wing populism - it'll be Le Pen next, surely.

It is difficult to separate growing inequality from lack of income growth. It might well be the latter that really carries weight. Certain groups are in real terms worse off, or around equal off, than they were 30 years ago. I suspect they would've been angry even if inequality was shrinking in the same period of time.

As @Raoul said in the main election thread, there's a decent probability of a recession in 2017 off of this. Because either he spits out a credible economic plan and team until January, or I don't see companies putting capital down on any sort of expansion efforts, or consumers not holding back on spending (there's been a sense that they've already been holding back ahead of the election).

It is not that difficult to avoid a recession in the short term. If Trump carries out a disastrous economic policy, I doubt we will see the force of it come down that early. In many ways, the US economy is structurally better off than it has been in a while. The most important parameters for decisions regarding investments will be maintained, like the promise of acceptable rates of inflation or even the protection of property rights.

I was tempted but didn't in the end.

Like Brexit, I find it almost more shocking that so many polls, predictions and bookies were so far out than the actual outcome of the result.

Stochastic models are prone to misspecification as well as bad observations. We often put a blind trust in frameworks that are inherently probabilistic. As long as we don't have a better way of predicting the future, and maintain an extreme desire to do so, it will continue to happen. In fact, the probability of a complete mishap like this to happen again is 1 almost surely. It is in principle the same issue many had with the economic models in the wake of the financial crises we had 6-8 years ago, and the reason some doubt the precision of the models of climate change. Finally, even a correctly specified model might have given a large probability for a Clinton win. You might have a correct estimate saying Trump loses with 99% probability, yet he wins. That is how probability works
 
Obama's legacy - the destruction of the Democratic Party - Party in complete disarray :lol:

Democrats deserve what's going to happen now - ignoring local and state elections and only showing up for general elections. Well, they can now watch and learn as the Republicans implement their agenda.

Trump Presidency

- Obamacare gone in a matter of months
- Supreme court goes hard RIGHT
- Roe v Wade gets a look in at some point
- Iran deal....Lots of nervous Ayatollahs in Iran.
- TPP Going, Going....GONE (TBF, Hillary walked away from this too)
- Republican House....Senate....Presidency - the man has a mandate and little to obstruct him

I know this isn't the thread - but, this is something people need to look at -

2012 -

Obama - 65,915,795 mil
Romney - 60,933,504 mil

2016 -

Hillary - 58,879,687 mil
Trump - 58,844,144 mil

Some counting left to do still.


But can ppl see the difference? Romney got 60.9mil and got his butt kicked, while Trump has 58.9mil and has won in an electoral landslide basically.

Democrats stayed home - Hillary not only didn't raise her game, she didn't even match what Obama got. People spoke about an enthusiasm gap,or not all Bernie Bros coming across and that's precisely what's happened. I know people will speak of tremendous support for Trump, but it really wasn't that...there simply wasn't support for Hillary. Her campaign and the media refused to acknowledge this.

Overall voting numbers will be down - yet, Trump and Hillary were meant to bring in new voters, previously disenfranchised voters. Nope, they turned voters off - Luckily for Trump, more people found Hillary to be 'deplorable'.

'Latino Surge'...ahem

Remember how Hillary had the female vote in the pocket - ummm about that

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*Full disclosure - I sent in my absentee vote for Hillary (Virginia!)...we were one state she managed to hold on to, but she did it with a massive struggle and it was meant to be an easy win.
 
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I am old enough to remember when the elected a cowboy, Ronald Regan to be President of the US and he did not to to badly , 3rd in the rankings of best US President behind Lincoln and Washington, pretty much the same was said about him as they are saying about Trump now. They have voted for him and they have to work with him has do the rest of the world.
Only time will tell if it will be the disaster that most think or he can actually do something good with his Presidency.
 
But the standards are set up differently are they not?
Look at George Bush & the scandals his private life caused & compare that with Obama's term as presidency and how many hate Michelle simply for existing.
I don't know about that. Bush just got constant hate from liberals every time he opened his mouth as was regularly caricatured in a variety of ways. I haven't actually seen the Michelle hate, but I assume any public liberal figure will get it from a portion of the conservative base. Partisan politics just tends to be petty like that, unfortunately.
 
I can see he's going for the whole cuddly 'we need to unite' approach and congratulating Hilary on her campaign. Expect him to try and boost his popularity over the next year: WWE appearances, going on TV talk shows and all that.
 
Yeah you've got to feel sorry for Obama, he spoke of it as a relay and doing his part, well he's passed the baton to someone running the other way.
 
I am old enough to remember when the elected a cowboy, Ronald Regan to be President of the US and he did not to to badly , 3rd in the rankings of best US President behind Lincoln and Washington, pretty much the same was said about him as they are saying about Trump now. They have voted for him and they have to work with him has do the rest of the world.
Only time will tell if it will be the disaster that most think or he can actually do something good with his Presidency.
I can't really see the comparison between Reagan and Trump. Reagan had experience as Governor of California before running for President, while Trump has no public service record at all. He was also the country's near unanimous choice in a complete electoral college landslide.
 
It is difficult to separate growing inequality from lack of income growth. It might well be the latter that really carries weight. Certain groups are in real terms worse off, or around equal off, than they were 30 years ago. I suspect they would've been angry even if inequality was shrinking in the same period of time.



It is not that difficult to avoid a recession in the short term. If Trump carries out a disastrous economic policy, I doubt we will see the force of it come down that early. In many ways, the US economy is structurally better off than it has been in a while. The most important parameters for decisions regarding investments will be maintained, like the promise of acceptable rates of inflation or even the protection of property rights.



Stochastic models are prone to misspecification as well as bad observations. We often put a blind trust in frameworks that are inherently probabilistic. As long as we don't have a better way of predicting the future, and maintain an extreme desire to do so, it will continue to happen. In fact, the probability of a complete mishap like this to happen again is 1 almost surely. It is in principle the same issue many had with the economic models in the wake of the financial crises we had 6-8 years ago, and the reason some doubt the precision of the models of climate change. Finally, even a correctly specified model might have given a large probability for a Clinton win. You might have a correct estimate saying Trump loses with 99% probability, yet he wins. That is how probability works

Exactly.
 
Exactly, she has nothing to hide, and yet she continues to be hounded out.
Meanwhile the current president hasn't even released his tax forms, has about 8 sexual assault claims against him, and the first lady is an ex porn star. :lol:
Surely she should have the right to do whatever she wants with her body.

People hound Trump for misogyny(and rightfully so), but how is that any different?
 
Surely she should have the right to do whatever she wants with her body.

People hound Trump for misogyny(and rightfully so), but how is that any different?

Why do we have to be any different!?

Nudes ARE porn!
 
Surely she should have the right to do whatever she wants with her body.

People hound Trump for misogyny(and rightfully so), but how is that any different?

In context - I was comparing the treatment of Hillary and other ex presidents, vs the treatment of Trump.

I didn't take away from the fact that she's wilfully free to do with her body as she wishes.
 
Oh well, I've always wanted to travel back in time, but not to the 1930s
 
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It is not that difficult to avoid a recession in the short term. If Trump carries out a disastrous economic policy, I doubt we will see the force of it come down that early. In many ways, the US economy is structurally better off than it has been in a while. The most important parameters for decisions regarding investments will be maintained, like the promise of acceptable rates of inflation or even the protection of property rights.

My hypothesis was predicated on delays in capital spend projects, as well as consumer spend. He's such an unorthodox candidate that there must be a wait-and-see period, unless there's more assertive statements on the several economic issues, and a credible name indicated as SecTres. Otherwise as a management team of a large consumer-facing company, why would you initiate any spend initiatives here in 4Q?

Maybe there's a delay but we get clarity by mid-end of 1Q17 or 2Q17. But you know how this works... by then you already have a slowdown in wages, in spending, and it starts to feed forward. But, like your answer to someone on modelling, this is just a scenario with its associated probability.
 
I am old enough to remember when the elected a cowboy, Ronald Regan to be President of the US and he did not to to badly , 3rd in the rankings of best US President behind Lincoln and Washington, pretty much the same was said about him as they are saying about Trump now. They have voted for him and they have to work with him has do the rest of the world.
Only time will tell if it will be the disaster that most think or he can actually do something good with his Presidency.

Reagan is no where near the 3rd best president of all time

Trump will be awful
 
Democracy in a nutshell



Oh I'm no Clinton supporter at all, but I do think her treatment was worse because she was a woman.
Yes she's corrupt, yes she's a liar, yes she deceives and panders name a president who isn't or hasn't done any of those things? Her corruption runs deeper than most because she's been around for much longer than most.
But I do think if she was a guy who did the same things, she wouldn't have received the same reception.

If she were a guy, with all her baggage, I doubt she would've been the chosen one of the Party either. So it goes both ways.
 
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