Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Only after I dragged them out of you.
And some of the reasons provide more questions than answers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
what are the answers which created more questions?
The Sunday Herald with Ronaldinho doing alot of talking about United...
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hmm i was just going off vijay and co have been saying during this weaste argument. i share weastes opinion in that ronaldinho doesnt really justify a starting place in our squad for any of the reasons given so far. they are all "fleeting statements". i.e. "he is better than scholes" "Scholes is not a good link man"
doesnt change the fact that ronaldinho would be a good addition to a strong squad though.
ah well.... seeing him here would be a thrill thats for sure.
doesnt change the fact that ronaldinho would be a good addition to a strong squad though.
ah well.... seeing him here would be a thrill thats for sure.
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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what are the answers which created more questions?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Christ man, all the given reasons are subjective opinions based upon qualitative evidence, which is in itself misleading and normally due to it's very nature brings up more questions than it solves. I have provided quantative evidence that is almost totally objective in regard to the comparison between the number of goals Scholes and Ronaldihno have scored in their respective leagues.
Yes, of course, the measure is not totally objective in that the leagues are different, the team mates are different, the positions are different, but it IS the most quantative evidence available on the matter.
It in itself because of the slightly qualitative nature of the differences and the subjectivity required to make sense of it gives rise to questions such as him being used out of position etc. But it is the most empirical evidence there is. Opinions people have after watching the two players play a lot is not empirical, it's interpretive.
Stop talking like you have empirical evidence for the suitability of Ronaldinho for United, you dont. That's what I mean, we cant, and the only way to get a better idea is by asking more questions, and trying to find more and more qualitative evidence to thn interpret and ask again.
Some people on here, not me, think that he is over rated. They dont make their case properly either IMO.
I'm not trying to make a case either way. I'm asking questions trying to use both the qualitative and quantative evidence there is. If 99% of 1000 posters here said yes, he's the best thing for us, and they truely based their opinions of actually watching him and not from what they read or other second party material, then I would say yes. We haven't got to that point though yet.
Happy now?
It is a matter of strength the squad don't you think Weaste?
It is not who he plays instead of but look at our bench and you see we have no good subs. If we sign him then we do not have to worry when we are not performing we can bring him and he could make the differnce maybe with one touch. Also we can consider him for the future Giggs is about 30 Scholes 28 Ole 30 so no harm if we sign someone around 23 with a very promising future ahead of him and make some rotation in the squad.
It is not who he plays instead of but look at our bench and you see we have no good subs. If we sign him then we do not have to worry when we are not performing we can bring him and he could make the differnce maybe with one touch. Also we can consider him for the future Giggs is about 30 Scholes 28 Ole 30 so no harm if we sign someone around 23 with a very promising future ahead of him and make some rotation in the squad.
he might be
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>he might be
It's not Spoony is it?
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Ok, why him and not Pablito Aimar?
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And why Aimar and not Ronni you clever boy
Originally posted by k_moh82:
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And why Aimar and not Ronni you clever boy
I never said that we should have Aimar over Ronni did I?
Anyone who cant get excited about Ronaldinho signing for Man Utd wants to have a word with themselves!
The boy is class. Hes an entertainer. He works hard. Hes willing to learn. He appears to respect Man Utd and SAF.
I get goose bumps thinking about him pulling that No. 9 shirt on.
Just imagine this (at full speed):
Keane wins the ball, plays it to Giggs, to Ronaldinho who beats a man, plays a one two with Scholes and switches play to Beckham, inch perfect cross, Ruud Ruud Ruud Ruud Ruud Ruud !!!!!
check your pulse!!
The boy is class. Hes an entertainer. He works hard. Hes willing to learn. He appears to respect Man Utd and SAF.
I get goose bumps thinking about him pulling that No. 9 shirt on.
Just imagine this (at full speed):
Keane wins the ball, plays it to Giggs, to Ronaldinho who beats a man, plays a one two with Scholes and switches play to Beckham, inch perfect cross, Ruud Ruud Ruud Ruud Ruud Ruud !!!!!
check your pulse!!
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Anyone who cant get excited about Ronaldinho signing for Man Utd wants to have a word with themselves!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nobody actually disputes his talent. But the question must be addressed as to whether he is the "best player for the team" at the moment.
Have you ever considered the team as a whole? What priorities we currently have in terms of the areas we most NEED to strengthen, as apposed to what would be "nice" to strengthen just for the hell of it?
Look at it this way, people say that with him we would win the European Cup easily. How? Is a player that has only scored 9 goals this season going to outdo RVN and score 15 in Europe?
Scoring in Europe wasn't our downfall was it? We let in 6 goals against Real Madrid and scored 5. I suggest that before we start looking at our already increadibly gifted attacking force we think about looking towards the things that were possibly more lacking against Madrid. IE. Them outgunning our midfield, quite often finding our defence vulnerable, and then easily getting the ball past out goalkeeper.
Surely we should think about looking at those areas first, and then if we have any money left then be a little bit flamboyant and buy an extra attacking option.
Even then, surely we must ask whether he really is the best option or maybe we should look at other players, including traditional striker backup. We should ask the question as to whether an extra traditional centre forward is required as insurance for the event that Ruud loses form or gets injured, or if the two we already have can cope, and would be better helped by an in the hole type player. Then we should look at different players in regard to the way they play and how that will fit into the team, and then judge what is possibly the best option.
As I've already said the best player is not necessarily the best player for our team as it is currently composed.
Ronaldinho is however an excellent player with lots of talent.
Weaste...
You're being extremely shortsighted....
Do we need a link player? I'd say...yes. are we deseparate for one.. ? perhaps NO.(giggs is playing the role very well, but can he stay fit?)
However, we DO NEED an injection of YOUNG players for the future.. Giggs is 29, Becks is 28 and Keane's in his 30's. If a player who's young and talented is on the market then SAF will be interested... The thing our team lacks is a player who can take men on(other than Giggs). I think its important to have a good mixture, hopefully Ronny will give our team a little bit extra... but more importantly, he's young and will takeover from one of the older players...perhaps Giggs, if not next year then the year after.
Aimar, Quaresma, Ronny, Kewell, Joaquin, C Ronaldo... all need (probably have been) to be looked at.
Great teams freshen up every year, not keep stale..... SAF said so himself.
We're still in a process of rebuilding....
PS the other thing I like about Ronny is that he's versatile/flexible.. I think thats the way to go, especially because we play 'total football' (tbh Becks is the only weak link)
You're being extremely shortsighted....
Do we need a link player? I'd say...yes. are we deseparate for one.. ? perhaps NO.(giggs is playing the role very well, but can he stay fit?)
However, we DO NEED an injection of YOUNG players for the future.. Giggs is 29, Becks is 28 and Keane's in his 30's. If a player who's young and talented is on the market then SAF will be interested... The thing our team lacks is a player who can take men on(other than Giggs). I think its important to have a good mixture, hopefully Ronny will give our team a little bit extra... but more importantly, he's young and will takeover from one of the older players...perhaps Giggs, if not next year then the year after.
Aimar, Quaresma, Ronny, Kewell, Joaquin, C Ronaldo... all need (probably have been) to be looked at.
Great teams freshen up every year, not keep stale..... SAF said so himself.
We're still in a process of rebuilding....
PS the other thing I like about Ronny is that he's versatile/flexible.. I think thats the way to go, especially because we play 'total football' (tbh Becks is the only weak link)
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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It's not Spoony is it?
No Devilish
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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No Devilish
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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No Devilish
why invoking my name?
we all trust SAF. The fact that we discuss between each other doesnt mean that we dont trust the gaffer. It just that we like to talk about the team we like and give points where it can improve. That why forums exsist
Fair point, Weaste.. I agree with all that.
If SAF does indeed sign him then, that means Ronny's the right man....
PS people/fans are always going to be fickle, shame many don't have patience.
Personally, I'd opt for Aimar.. not coz I think he's the better player.....but mainly due to the fact he's done well at the top level ie CL..
Having said that, I'll be happy if we get Ronny.
If SAF does indeed sign him then, that means Ronny's the right man....
PS people/fans are always going to be fickle, shame many don't have patience.
Personally, I'd opt for Aimar.. not coz I think he's the better player.....but mainly due to the fact he's done well at the top level ie CL..
Having said that, I'll be happy if we get Ronny.
Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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No Devilish
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Originally posted by vijay_vr:
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And look what happned to that. Turned into an abusive slagging match.