The Sunday Herald with Ronaldinho doing alot of talking about United...
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Vijay, your flexibility and Real Madrid plan seems slightly flawed to me. I think that the midfield will end up totally crowded and break down.
This is what was happening at the start of the season when Giggs and Beckham were constanly coming into the middle and crowding out Verón and Scholes and Keane.
Flexibility is all well and good, it allows certain moves to take place, but you need some form of structure, some dicipline to make it work, not having all your midfielders being able to move willy nilly where they want. You need some rigity within the formation.
This is what was happening at the start of the season when Giggs and Beckham were constanly coming into the middle and crowding out Verón and Scholes and Keane.
Flexibility is all well and good, it allows certain moves to take place, but you need some form of structure, some dicipline to make it work, not having all your midfielders being able to move willy nilly where they want. You need some rigity within the formation.
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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Just now you said he is a Central Midfielder..now you are asking the same question?
A link man job cannot be judged by how many goals he scored but on how many occasions he manages to create for his team. It’s all about creativity vision and unpredictability, definitely not on scoring tally
Scholes is a magnificent attacking midfielder (personally better than Veron altough I really rate the Argentinian). He is hardworking, capable to defend (ok he needs to improve his tackling but certainly he covers more ground than all attacking midfielders put together)and attack and his deadly instincts are world class
Unfortunately as the Italian best link man ever (Baggio) once said “ You are born a link man”. Yes Scholes is second only to Zidane in the midfield but he is definitely not a link man, and playing him there is ruining his form and the club’s “flow” of creativity
A link man is the laziest player on earth. He doesn’t need to run because why running when you can achieve your goal with only one act of genius?. A link man has vision, studies the defense weaknesses and has the class and the unpredictability to exploit those weaknesses to his favor. You can never judge between Scholes and Ronaldinho as much as you can never judge between Veron and Cantona and that because they are completely different
Ronaldinho is young and spoilt. It will take him time and loads of boos to settle down well at OT but believe me, once he settles down and get a bit mature he would be a fantastic player possibly the only player who can make us forget Cantona. The guy is the most technically gifted and complete forward I had ever seen since Robby Baggio at his very best
Scholes is a magnificent attacking midfielder (personally better than Veron altough I really rate the Argentinian). He is hardworking, capable to defend (ok he needs to improve his tackling but certainly he covers more ground than all attacking midfielders put together)and attack and his deadly instincts are world class
Unfortunately as the Italian best link man ever (Baggio) once said “ You are born a link man”. Yes Scholes is second only to Zidane in the midfield but he is definitely not a link man, and playing him there is ruining his form and the club’s “flow” of creativity
A link man is the laziest player on earth. He doesn’t need to run because why running when you can achieve your goal with only one act of genius?. A link man has vision, studies the defense weaknesses and has the class and the unpredictability to exploit those weaknesses to his favor. You can never judge between Scholes and Ronaldinho as much as you can never judge between Veron and Cantona and that because they are completely different
Ronaldinho is young and spoilt. It will take him time and loads of boos to settle down well at OT but believe me, once he settles down and get a bit mature he would be a fantastic player possibly the only player who can make us forget Cantona. The guy is the most technically gifted and complete forward I had ever seen since Robby Baggio at his very best
You all seem to be choosing the player because he's technically good, not necessarily because he's good for the team. It's more complicated than that.
A United player needs heart and passion for the club. Will he develop that?
And Devilish, I dont want a lazy fecker playing up front for us. It's not the United way. Look at Ruud and you'll see what I mean.
A United player needs heart and passion for the club. Will he develop that?
And Devilish, I dont want a lazy fecker playing up front for us. It's not the United way. Look at Ruud and you'll see what I mean.
It's also interesting to see you all too busy arguing with me to see that except for the point that he's good and you all WANT to sign him a quickly as possible, that you are all in one point or another contradicting each other.
A) There is a difference between "the best player" and "the best player for us".
B) Cantona was never the "best player", but he was "the best player for us".
Now, how are you all coming to the conclusion that Ronaldinho fits into category B? Nobody ever addresses that point.
B) Cantona was never the "best player", but he was "the best player for us".
Now, how are you all coming to the conclusion that Ronaldinho fits into category B? Nobody ever addresses that point.
If we sign Ronaldinho, we are not signing him to play on the bench.
If he comes then Fergie obviously has plans to use him and he will become part of our team.
Where this is is down to Fergie. I still say 4-5-1 is our best formation and Scholes is better there than in midfield. Why? Because when we play 4-5-1 with our starting 11 we beat every team we come across.
I have said all along I dont know why we would want Ronaldinho when our priority should be backup for Ruud. It would be like signing Kahn when we have Schmeichel.
The plus side is he is versatile and gives us something we do lack - running with the ball. He is young and can be considered a good investment if he comes in, especially with Giggs reaching 30 soon.
As with any signing he will add competition for places and provide options and variety. Our bench is too weak atm. When we are losing we have no one we can bring on to take the game by the scruff of the neck and change it around. This Summer should fix that.
However you look at it, signing a great player is never bad. I just feel we have other priorities that Ronaldinho doesnt address.
If he comes then Fergie obviously has plans to use him and he will become part of our team.
Where this is is down to Fergie. I still say 4-5-1 is our best formation and Scholes is better there than in midfield. Why? Because when we play 4-5-1 with our starting 11 we beat every team we come across.
I have said all along I dont know why we would want Ronaldinho when our priority should be backup for Ruud. It would be like signing Kahn when we have Schmeichel.
The plus side is he is versatile and gives us something we do lack - running with the ball. He is young and can be considered a good investment if he comes in, especially with Giggs reaching 30 soon.
As with any signing he will add competition for places and provide options and variety. Our bench is too weak atm. When we are losing we have no one we can bring on to take the game by the scruff of the neck and change it around. This Summer should fix that.
However you look at it, signing a great player is never bad. I just feel we have other priorities that Ronaldinho doesnt address.
Maybe because they have a certain Raul at their side? Just guessing
I agree with Waeste, Ronaldinho has still loads to learn (Expecially in his attitude) before being considered as a complete talent. I am sure that the Brazilian will need time and a couple of SAF’s trademark shouts before making it at OT
And yet, there is no one in the world who has the technique, the unpredictability and the class of the young Brazilian international. Channeled to the right direction by the best manager in that sector (a certain SAF) I am pretty sure that the Brazilian international can change the word “hole” (classic word for us to hide the fact that we had never actually fount an ideal successor to Cantona) back into a link man role.
I agree with Waeste, Ronaldinho has still loads to learn (Expecially in his attitude) before being considered as a complete talent. I am sure that the Brazilian will need time and a couple of SAF’s trademark shouts before making it at OT
And yet, there is no one in the world who has the technique, the unpredictability and the class of the young Brazilian international. Channeled to the right direction by the best manager in that sector (a certain SAF) I am pretty sure that the Brazilian international can change the word “hole” (classic word for us to hide the fact that we had never actually fount an ideal successor to Cantona) back into a link man role.
This is a decent debate and Weaste puts across a good argument, but, i believe Ronaldinho would benefit the team.
We clearly do lack some pace going forward, as Keano said himself, "we lack a magic player", with flair, and ability to un-lock defenders while running at them, currently we only have giggs who can do that and he's not exactly the player he was (but thats a differant debate).
Ronaldinho has buckets pull of flair and pace, and even on the bigger stage, big time players like Sol Campbell, even Rio, are shit scared when he runs at them (prooven the Brazils 1st goal v.s England).
Also, i believe it may benefit Veron to an extent, Veron often sticks up searching long balls, if someone with real pace was on our side, would there be more chance of those long balls coming off to effect?, just a thought though i think thats a more complicated issue than i can handle.
We clearly do lack some pace going forward, as Keano said himself, "we lack a magic player", with flair, and ability to un-lock defenders while running at them, currently we only have giggs who can do that and he's not exactly the player he was (but thats a differant debate).
Ronaldinho has buckets pull of flair and pace, and even on the bigger stage, big time players like Sol Campbell, even Rio, are shit scared when he runs at them (prooven the Brazils 1st goal v.s England).
Also, i believe it may benefit Veron to an extent, Veron often sticks up searching long balls, if someone with real pace was on our side, would there be more chance of those long balls coming off to effect?, just a thought though i think thats a more complicated issue than i can handle.